Agreed!.
I am not against slaughter. All I hear from the anti crowd is to stop slaughter, with NO plan on what to do with the excess horses.
Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.
Just saying those that want to SAVE, have at it. Buy the horses and take care of them.
The answer usually is we need to stop breeding horses. Who is going to decide who doesn’t get to breed?
First, he’s lying about where they are going. Second, he doesn’t seem to have his paperwork in order, Third…was he following the laws of the Humane Transport Act?
First: Lying to the media might be stupid but it isn’t a crime. Do you have any information that he lied to law enforcement?
Second: Do you have information that says for this trip he did not have his paper work? He traveled from east of Nashville to west of Nashville, may not have even left the county. Did he even need paper work? Can you punish him for not having paper work when he never left the state? (It’s a little like giving a speeding ticket for a guy with a flat tire because if he hadn’t had a flat tire he would have been speeding.)
Third: Was he following the humane transportation laws? Do you even know what they are? I have repeatedly and earnestly asked on this thread what the laws he possibly broke relating to slaughter are, yet no one has answered.
I suspect this guy is an unsavory character and I wouldn’t like him much if I knew him BUT that does not mean it is appropriate to make a bunch of assumptions then use those assumptions publicly crucify him. If he has priors then discuss them, but stop making crap up about this incident because you’ve decided you don’t like him.
[QUOTE=RedMare01;6087754]
Oh come on. For the twenty millionth time, I’m not anti-slaughter. I just happen to think that there should be consequences for actions, and you don’t have to be a genius to figure out that there is a really good chance that some laws were being broken by this guy.
If not, I’ll be the first to apologize for my conclusions.[/QUOTE]
Publicly crucify apologize later. You think that’s ok? Really?
All we know is he had 38 horses in a trailer and had an accident, some reports having him going to a destination related to slaughter. ALL the rest of it is conjecture.
He’s a little guy. He’s just trying to make a living. If all the anti-slaughter/change-slaughter people can do is go after small potatoes like him they will NEVER make any progress. He’s a sacrificial goat and the people you should really be focusing on are happy to toss him at you to satisfy your blood lust while they go on about the real business of slaughter.
If any of you really cared about what you think is inhumane transportation of horses for slaughter then maybe the first thing you should do is figure out what the law says about it. If you don’t even know what the law is how in the world do you think you can change it?!
[QUOTE=7HL;6088249]
Agreed!.
I am not against slaughter. All I hear from the anti crowd is to stop slaughter,[/QUOTE]
And all we hear from the pro side is ‘build the plants, we’ll make sure it’s humane, regulated, and those regulations enforced’.
Yet when presented with a dude who has clearly broken regulations [this time or in the past, per the media, the Highway Patrol, and online records re: inspections] all we hear is ‘stop pickling on this little guy, it’s none of your business’.
That’s what makes their promises to make new plants humane and regulations enforced sound hollow.
[QUOTE=subk;6088257]
Third: Was he following the humane transportation laws? Do you even know what they are? I have repeatedly and earnestly asked on this thread what the laws he possibly broke relating to slaughter are, yet no one has answered.[/QUOTE]
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_dis_spec/horses/horse_transport.shtml
from the above
Phase out two-tier trailers.
Doesn’t say eliminate or ban.
ummm…(non Christian believing folk look away now…fair warning)
Proverbs 12:10
“A righteous man regards the life of his beasts but the wicked man’s’ heart is ruthless” (also translated “but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruelties”)
that is my favorite passage and I do try to live it every day…
while Genesis gives us “dominion over all the beasts” Proverbs 12:10 gives a humane safeguard to them…they have the “right” to consideration and proper care even in Biblical terms.
Tamara
well, the public does not have to know where the cargo is headed, unless the public owns the cargo (or it’s illegal drugs)
Of course, you could have just been cynical…
[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;6088180]
I’m lost in all this - was it or was it not a double decker, looking at at he photos posted of a DD trailer. How does one get all those horses in?
Polo ponies are shipped packed close together - but moderately packed is safer than too many loose horses…and they are valuable.[/QUOTE]
I have a 16-foot stock trailer and have short-hauled 6 polo ponies in it, tied nose-to-tail so they stacked better sideways. I wasn’t able to shut the dividing gate. I know of people who’ve hauled 7 in the same size trailer, but I’m not sure how they shoehorned the last one in (I’m sure a ramp would help). IME, hauling 5 gives them enough room to plant their feet without stepping on a neighbor. The ‘ponies’ in question are between 14.3 and 15.3 hh.
To continue Tamara’s theme - where abuse of animals occurs, there is abuse elsewhere in that person’s life. Proven time and time again. Respect for all life.
[QUOTE=7HL;6088249]
Agreed!.
I am not against slaughter. All I hear from the anti crowd is to stop slaughter, with NO plan on what to do with the excess horses.
Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.
Just saying those that want to SAVE, have at it. Buy the horses and take care of them.
The answer usually is we need to stop breeding horses. Who is going to decide who doesn’t get to breed?[/QUOTE]
This explains a lot.
My personal favorite now. Wording slightly different depending on the source…
“Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 6:1
Y’all are going to draw western into this if you keep it up!
:lol:
[QUOTE=7HL;6088344]
My personal favorite now. Wording slightly different depending on the source…
“Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 6:1[/QUOTE]
I hardly consider giving consideration to your animals as being “seen of men”, as for most people no one ever sees how they keep their stock until or unless they make the news being near death…no ?
while it’s a nice way to twist the passage, it hardly matches the grand public parades of upper crust piety He was referring to…
Tamara
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6087782]
Because of people like you who think it’s their business to know other people’s business.
As I said, if the horses were on their way to the moon, it would be just the same, or Santa Anita or Calgary.
The discussion is asinine.
It was a horrible accident.
It would have been bad enough it the truck had held a million rolls of toilet paper, not life cargo.
Now go back and re-read the ‘discussion’: It’s a DD - which it 's clearly not.
It’s overloaded - which can clearly be seen from a few news photos? How so?
The Driver is evil - I am sure he must be, holding on to a job, evil man, hauling horses…
The owner of the farm is a scumbag - well, he might be, but not because he is dealing in low end horses.
They lied - hell, I would too. Because my business is mine. Hauling horses to Texas is not illegal. Hauling them across the border isn’t either. It’s not even morally reprehensible. Now, if you believe the rumors that he has a hand in the deplorable conditions in Texas, that’s a different story. Not related to an overturned truck. But we love to muddle the waters here, don’t we.
And good grief, of course he don’t want to tell the media about any involvement with the Texas stuff. Aside from the fact that legal council probably told him to zip it, the media hardly ever gets it right these days anymore.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the story:
The driver may or may not have fallen asleep.
And here is pretty much where the HR ends: The driver will in all likelihood see a laundry list of charges brought against him, all in relation to the traffic rules he violated by wrecking his rig.
I am pretty sure they will also reconstruct the weight of said rig, since the authorities frown big time on overloaded trucks on the road.[/QUOTE]
You really don’t have any rights to privacy if you are transporting commercially. You have a log book, and you have to note every item you carry, where and when it is picked up an dropped off, when you stop, when you’re going, when you sleep. It’s all a matter of public record. If my husband can keep these records on boats, and is regularly stopped and questioned regarding that cargo, why not with horses? It’s a part of the job, and if my husband lies, he is shut down. Why not this guy? This is an AR issue, it’s a legal issue.
Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.
No one feels sorry for the chickens on the Tyson Chicken trucks/tailers hauling hundred of crates jammed full of chickens speeding down the roads around me. Feathers flying everywhere, on their way to becomming McNuggets.
People and other animals eat horse meat. Horses are used more then just to ride. They are the tractors on many farms. They are a 16 year olds “hot rod” buggy. Those of us that choose to own horses to ride do not have exclusive domain over horses. We do not have the right or should we to tell others how to use them.
Tyson or Koch or whomever,yes I do feel for them…same as cattle or pigs or anything else…
Tamara
[QUOTE=AngelaFreda;6088275]
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_dis_spec/horses/horse_transport.shtml[/QUOTE]
All you can do is send me wandering around the internet with a link? I’m really not interested in spending the next hour or so trying to figure out what you obviously don’t know since you can’t seem to boil it down to salient points.
Is 38 horses on a trailer against the law/regulation or not? Y’all are the one crusifying this guy shouldn’t you know?
ah, sigh…
It does not MATTER what he has or where he is headed.
Not past of what a state trooper needs to know.
At least not in the context of the accident.
Chickens or widgets. Horses or toilet paper.
Texas or Oklahoma. Or the Moon.
Yeah, public record, needed for estimation of road projects, emergency response units…
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