Actually should be located nearer to auction houses.
Maybe set one up in New Holland as an example.
You think they could manage it then??? LOL
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6146578]
The wreck happened sixty miles from the point of origin, so lets just put plants on every KB’s property. ;)[/QUOTE]
The horses currently starving outside el paso, were shipped from WI. Canada is closer to WI, on every map I’ve seen. When the 3 SH were open here, Baker used to regularly ship from Sugarcreek to Dallas Crowne/Beltex in TX, in spite of Cavel being closer.
well at least we know that they are worth $37cwt delivered
Tamara
That’s not a lot of money.
No wonder horses keep disappearing.
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6146675]
well at least we know that they are worth $37cwt delivered
Tamara[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=katyb;6146476]
Since when was a farm in OK on the way to the Mexican border -especially within the confines of 48 hours? So much for the idea that the horses were being safely transported. How safe could it be to spend two days on a trailer, injured too severely to be accepted at a Mexican slaughterhouse? It’s good to know that the current regulations are being followed so closely. THIS is why some of us don’t think humane slaughter will happen… we can’t manage transport, at this point.[/QUOTE]
This ^ and the lack of a negative reaction from the pro-slaughter side to this incident solidified for me that the cries to let them open more/new plants in the US and they WILL be humane were empty promises.
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6146755]
This ^ and the lack of a negative reaction from the pro-slaughter side to this incident solidified for me that the cries to let them open more/new plants in the US and they WILL be humane were empty promises.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. :yes:
Here is the agenda for the next Summit of the Horse Conference in April. They have had plenty of time to modify it and show this incident not only bothered them, but bothered them enough to make and demand changes.
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5e34mi6d74b37ce&llr=6oijm7dab
The one session I would love to attend is this one:
Keynote - Kevin Murphy, Food Chain Communications - “The Moral-Ethical Implications of the Horse Processing Debate - How It Will Be Framed to the Public - How You Can Respond”
I would love to hear exactly what spin and lies they are concocting in order to hide the truth from the unsuspecting public.
Perfect chance for them to speak up and explain how things will be better and they blew it. :yes:
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6146755]
This ^ and the lack of a negative reaction from the pro-slaughter side to this incident solidified for me that the cries to let them open more/new plants in the US and they WILL be humane were empty promises.[/QUOTE]
I am totally appalled…
I never thought that in my lifetime that broke riding horses would bring LESS per pound than completely disposable 3 day old dairy bull calves…
never.
in.
my.
lifetime.
so my negative reaction is still there,but I doubt anyone understands it
Tamara
So, what’s the point of lobbying for legal slaughter, if the value is so low? Totally aside from the issues of humane treatment, why bother?
I’m not sure how we know these horses had any training though, unless maybe you know more about their origins then I do.
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6146824]
I am totally appalled…
I never thought that in my lifetime that broke riding horses would bring LESS per pound than completely disposable 3 day old dairy bull calves…
never.
in.
my.
lifetime.
so my negative reaction is still there,but I doubt anyone understands it
Tamara[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=katyb;6147414]
So, what’s the point of lobbying for legal slaughter, if the value is so low? Totally aside from the issues of humane treatment, why bother?
I’m not sure how we know these horses had any training though, unless maybe you know more about their origins then I do.[/QUOTE]
the horses are not sorted by “inability” at a place like that…
so all the training in the world = nothing…
I watched a farm full of cattle sell (online) for $5-7K for yearling bull calves…some 20 of them…another farm sold $8M in 765 lots for an average of 12K…for CATTLE!
there is money out there still but not in the horses…
and I am stunned that we have let it get so bad and go so far…crap for breeding,no culling,a pony in every backyard,no horsemen left to even make culling judgements…and now where are we?
screwed.
Tamara
Okay - I just thought you knew something about these particular horses, since you said “broke riding horses”.
That leads back to the problem really being with breeding - indiscriminate breeding, followed by lack of training.
[QUOTE=katyb;6147532]
Okay - I just thought you knew something about these particular horses, since you said “broke riding horses”.
That leads back to the problem really being with breeding - indiscriminate breeding, followed by lack of training.[/QUOTE]
the problem is a generation of people who think they are entitled to things that are above their means…
and who believe that everyone else should give to them what they “want”
“want” a horse… rescue it…or seven or twelve
“want” to feed it…beg for money…
“want” to show it…start a podunk show circuit…
“want” to be important…create websites that mislead…
“want” to be a breeder…grab an open mare…
“want” to be a judge…invent a new breed…
“want” to have your say…bully everyone on the internet with your non informed opionions…
Tamara
I agree with that - horse ownership is a luxury. I point out to young woman who express jealousy of my fun that I was past 35 before I had my first horse as an adult, because that is when I could afford and have time to do it right.
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6147552]
the problem is a generation of people who think they are entitled to things that are above their means…
and who believe that everyone else should give to them what they “want”
“want” a horse… rescue it…or seven or twelve
“want” to feed it…beg for money…
“want” to show it…start a podunk show circuit…
“want” to be important…create websites that mislead…
“want” to be a breeder…grab an open mare…
“want” to be a judge…invent a new breed…
“want” to have your say…bully everyone on the internet with your non informed opionions…
Tamara[/QUOTE]
Culling is a bad word, My Dear.
Because in the end it means to kill the beast, yank it’s hide off and turn the rest into glue.
Otherwise we have just more of the same: The crap mare with a uterus, the horrible stud with balls, and then the thing that results from it.
Yes we have allowed ourselves to lose all horsemanship.
We have fallen for the quick fix and instant gratification.
That might work in many places, but not in horses. There’s no short cut home, there’s no easy way out.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6147824]
Culling is a bad word, My Dear.
Because in the end it means to kill the beast, yank it’s hide off and turn the rest into glue.
Otherwise we have just more of the same: The crap mare with a uterus, the horrible stud with balls, and then the thing that results from it.
Yes we have allowed ourselves to lose all horsemanship.
We have fallen for the quick fix and instant gratification.
That might work in many places, but not in horses. There’s no short cut home, there’s no easy way out.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think all breeders mean that when they say they cull. I think it sometimes means geld him and sell him to a non-competitive home. I agree that offing any offspring that don’t quite hit your expectations is pretty nasty, barring major health flaws. (Personally, I would have euth’d the three-legged baby immediately after birth.) If you are breeding quality animals, virtually all of the offspring should be more than decent, again barring the odd birth defect, etc. More thought shoud be put into the initial breeding, and there’d be a lot less mediocre results to worry over.
All that said, I bought a pregnant mare, no idea what she’d been bred to, and that baby is the greatest mare. I wouldn’t trade her for a high dollar baby with stellar papers. It was still stupid luck though - it could have gone the other way.
True. To a breeder it’s just removing an animal from the breeding program.
You sort it out and get rid of it.
Sell it.
Assume that the next person won’t breed that knock kneed thing, just because it has the equipment.
But Tamara was pretty much already pointing at the aftermath. You know, the fuglies bred together, because they could, because you can’t tell anybody that their horse is pure crap and it would be worth more per pound and as hide than on hoof.
lack of education. Or rather lack of willingness to learn.
papers don’t equal good horses, oopsies don’t mean bad horses.
Most people do not need that high dollar horse. As a matter of fact most do not and are better off with the ‘lesser’ animal.
And to demand that every breeding program only produces better than decent offspring is impossible to accomplish. That is just not how the game works.
However, while that knock kneed thing might be a fantastic partner for a rider on any given level, it should not be bred.
However, my original reply to Tamara as meant sarcastic.
And yet, you prove my point: culling is a bad word.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6147824]
Culling is a bad word, My Dear.
Because in the end it means to kill the beast, yank it’s hide off and turn the rest into glue.
.[/QUOTE]
and THAT is exactly what it should mean.
Tamara
