Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114680]
Their comments not always quite what they sound once hand picked by animal rights sites for their propaganda.:no:

All I am saying is that some I know, directly from the horse’s mouth you may say, is omitted from the stories.
Animal rights stories want to make all sound so evil for their purpose.
Much information is missing in the telling, to make it as bad as they can manage.

The “he said - he said not” is moot question now, the plants in TX closed some years ago.[/QUOTE]

What Comments?
The horses were slaughtered. Period.
Any other comments or ‘propagandist spin’… do not change the facts.

Silly me - I forgot myself for a moment - I’m sure that happens on both sides of the issue not just one - like maybe big ag and food companies? Like they never buy anyone or trade for votes?

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114726]
He may be, you never know, or maybe traded votes for AR support.
I don’t think that is unheard of.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should blame Barbara Walters or Elizabeth Vargas. 20/20 or Nightline had a segment on slaughter at Crown before it went out of business. That’s one place where the sorting through the hides to identify the horse came from–I believe they had the actual father and daughter there who related the story. I don’t believe that Crown tried to sue them for defamation, BTW.

One bizarre point in the segment involved the reporter standing outside of the plant with the head of the company standing at the door facing inwards with his stun gun. He would put his hand out of sight of the cameras and there would be a sound and then a thud (supposedly a horse hitting the floor). I think he did this repeatedly during the segment.

BTW, I try very hard NOT to swallow all of the propaganda without trying to analyze it, but I’m afraid there is a lot of overwhelming evidence that the plants in the U.S. were not terribly well run. And the only evidence we get from the pro side is all the “unwanted horses.”

Show me some actual unedited footage about how well the records were kept and how well the actual slaughter process went without incident, and then I’ll listen to what you have to say.

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;6114736]
Silly me - I forgot myself for a moment - I’m sure that happens on both sides of the issue not just one - like maybe big ag and food companies? Like they never buy anyone or trade for votes?[/QUOTE]

Right, it seems that everyone plays those games.:frowning:

I see, those folks (including the senator) agreed to have their horses stolen and butchered at the slaughter plant to promote ARA propaganda. :winkgrin:

ROFL – hmm that could work.

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114794]
I see, those folks (including the senator) agreed to have their horses stolen and butchered at the slaughter plant to promote ARA propaganda. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

There’s a picture/saying going around Facebook asking that all those in politics - senators, congressman whatever be labeled like Nascars so we, the public, know who they are really working for.
It’s funny but not.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114753]
Right, it seems that everyone plays those games.:([/QUOTE]

Geez, every publication against slaughter is not AR propaganda. I just don’t get your premise. Well, I do kinda. Your experience has been that kill buyers ship their horses properly so as not to damage the “product”. As has been documented, that is not true. Slaughter horses are a dime a dozen. What do the shippers care if their “product” is damaged? They can just go back to the auction in a few days and pick up more for $50. It’s not the same as beef cattle, which are a food source for Americans. Slaughter horses are food for other countries. And a cheap source of income for kill buyers. They have no reason to care if the “product” arrives damaged. It’s so obvious, I don’t understand how you can’t see it.

Yes, there are systems and regulations in place. But what you are missing is horsemeat is not a staple of the American diet as are beef cattle. American’s buying up horses for slaughter don’t CARE what the people of other coutries eat. To them, it’s income. And a business. How can you not be aware of an opportunist that wants to make fast money? I’m not even going to address what “good” people kill buyers may be. They may or not be. That’s not the issue. Kill buyers are simply looking for a fast buck. And they get it. They don’t care if the people of other countries eat bad meat. (not that any consequences have been verified…)

People in America will do ANYTHING to make money. Horses are available for sale to slaughter plants and buyers will take advantage of that.

So, let’s at least minimize the horrors of the horses journey to slaughter and make it tolerable.

It is only of late that Americnas have become aware of what the horse slaughter business involves.

Personally, I have no problem with slaughter of horses–as long as the horses are afforded the same concessions as other food animals. It’s clear they are not. That in NO WAY makes me a RARA.

What is exactly food???

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/mcdonald-confirms-no-longer-using-pink-slime-chemicals-171209662.html

The International Business Times lists some other questionable chemicals showing up in our foods:

  • Propylene glycol: This chemical is very similar to ethylene glycol, a dangerous anti-freeze. This less-toxic cousin prevents products from becoming too solid. Some ice creams have this ingredient; otherwise you'd be eating ice.
  • Carmine: Commonly found in red food coloring, this chemical comes from crushed cochineal, small red beetles that burrow into cacti. Husks of the beetle are ground up and forms the basis for red coloring found in foods ranging from cranberry juice to M&Ms.
  • Shellac: Yes, this chemical used to finish wood products also gives some candies their sheen. It comes from the female Lac beetle.
  • L-cycsteine: This common dough enhancer comes from hair, feathers, hooves and bristles.
  • Lanolin (gum base): Next time you chew on gum, remember this. The goopiness of gum comes from lanolin, oils from sheep's wool that is also used for vitamin D3 supplements.
  • Silicon dioxide: Nothing weird about eating sand, right? This anti-caking agent is found in many foods including shredded cheese and fast food chili.

Horses sound pretty good.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6114929]
Geez, every publication against slaughter is not AR propaganda. I just don’t get your premise. Well, I do kinda. Your experience has been that kill buyers ship their horses properly so as not to damage the “product”. As has been documented, that is not true. Slaughter horses are a dime a dozen. What do the shippers care if their “product” is damaged? They can just go back to the auction in a few days and pick up more for $50. It’s not the same as beef cattle, which are a food source for Americans. Slaughter horses are food for other countries. And a cheap source of income for kill buyers. They have no reason to care if the “product” arrives damaged. It’s so obvious, I don’t understand how you can’t see it.

Yes, there are systems and regulations in place. But what you are missing is horsemeat is not a staple of the American diet as are beef cattle. American’s buying up horses for slaughter don’t CARE what the people of other coutries eat. To them, it’s income. And a business. How can you not be aware of an opportunist that wants to make fast money? I’m not even going to address what “good” people kill buyers may be. They may or not be. That’s not the issue. Kill buyers are simply looking for a fast buck. And they get it. They don’t care if the people of other countries eat bad meat. (not that any consequences have been verified…)

People in America will do ANYTHING to make money. Horses are available for sale to slaughter plants and buyers will take advantage of that.

So, let’s at least minimize the horrors of the horses journey to slaughter and make it tolerable.

It is only of late that Americnas have become aware of what the horse slaughter business involves.

Personally, I have no problem with slaughter of horses–as long as the horses are afforded the same concessions as other food animals. It’s clear they are not. That in NO WAY makes me a RARA.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think it is I who “is not seeing it”.:no:

You see some video and AR stories of abuse in a dairy and now you assert all dairies are bad, as the AR propaganda does?

I knew several of those traders, saw them load, haul and unload horses, was in their pens and pastures and you know what, they were just like any other horse owner out there and took good care of their horses.
Some of those horses were bought in bad shape and they were getting them back on their feet, most to be evaluated and resold as nice riding horses, a few found with holes that made them unsuitable and those taken to slaughter.

Sure, there are some bad traders out there, so are bad rescues and trainers and breeders and backyard horse owners, but most people that own horses are decent people that take good care of their horses.

Yes, that doesn’t fit with the AR stories everyone believes, some are true, there are abusers out there, but not all traders are, just as not all rescues are, or trainers, or breeders, or backyard horse owners.

Now, do you “see” a bit better that the world is not as AR propaganda and their followers makes it, for their own agendas?

We know, we know…:lol:

Neither is it the total rosy picture you would have us believe.
Where is that Nascar jacket??

[QUOTE=Bluey;6115005]
I don’t think it is I who “is not seeing it”.:no:

You see some video and AR stories of abuse in a dairy and now you assert all dairies are bad, as the AR propaganda does?

I knew several of those traders, saw them load, haul and unload horses, was in their pens and pastures and you know what, they were just like any other horse owner out there and took good care of their horses.
Some of those horses were bought in bad shape and they were getting them back on their feet, most to be evaluated and resold as nice riding horses, a few found with holes that made them unsuitable and those taken to slaughter.

Sure, there are some bad traders out there, so are bad rescues and trainers and breeders and backyard horse owners, but most people that own horses are decent people that take good care of their horses.

Yes, that doesn’t fit with the AR stories everyone believes, some are true, there are abusers out there, but not all traders are, just as not all rescues are, or trainers, or breeders, or backyard horse owners.

Now, do you “see” a bit better that the world is not as AR propaganda and their followers makes it, for their own agendas?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6115143]
We know, we know…:lol:[/QUOTE]

Yes, like many trainers I know, I was “rescuing horses from slaughter” before it became the latest fad and without asking for donations from others to do it.:yes:

ROFL - been reading too much??
Omnivore’s Dilemma is an interesting one too.

[QUOTE=7HL;6114977]
What is exactly food???

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/mcdonald-confirms-no-longer-using-pink-slime-chemicals-171209662.html

Horses sound pretty good.[/QUOTE]

I’m already aware of that. I’m also aware that your propaganda is not as the world is!

For those who care to know about what happened to the horses that survived the wreck:

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16946020/2012/02/15/injured-horses-rejected-at-mexican-slaugherhouse

Four of those were rejected at the border.

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6146458]
For those who care to know about what happened to the horses that survived the wreck:

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16946020/2012/02/15/injured-horses-rejected-at-mexican-slaugherhouse

Four of those were rejected at the border.[/QUOTE]

They are now probably dumped in Presidio to starve, like the ones up here.

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6146458]
For those who care to know about what happened to the horses that survived the wreck:

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16946020/2012/02/15/injured-horses-rejected-at-mexican-slaugherhouse

Four of those were rejected at the border.[/QUOTE]

Since when was a farm in OK on the way to the Mexican border -especially within the confines of 48 hours? So much for the idea that the horses were being safely transported. How safe could it be to spend two days on a trailer, injured too severely to be accepted at a Mexican slaughterhouse? It’s good to know that the current regulations are being followed so closely. THIS is why some of us don’t think humane slaughter will happen… we can’t manage transport, at this point.

[quote=jetsmom;6146466]They are now probably dumped in Presidio to starve, like the ones up here.
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Open up slaughter houses closer and in the US to process horses.

The wreck happened sixty miles from the point of origin, so lets just put plants on every KB’s property. :wink: