Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;6114428]
Yes that is pretty much exactly what you say and then you do as you just did - the rest of us have to be AR nutjobs to disagree with you - you absolutely positively know without a shadow of a doubt that anything that doesn’t agree with your opinion has to be AR propaganda.
You do not respect anyone else’s opinion but your own.
At least have the courtesy to not call us RARA’s and too stupid to read between the lines if we do not happen to agree with you.
According to you everything related to horse slaughter was an absolute bed of roses - nothing ever went wrong anywhere ever.
Information released through the FOIA is just a bunch of AR propaganda - it was through the USDA - hello??? Government??
Agree to disagree but stop with the eye rolling and insinuations.[/QUOTE]

Of course I don’t mean any at all like you intend your post to sound.

When some that is told is out of context, or myths and outright AR propaganda stories, why demand no one question that?
Why not let those that know different ask others to think if that makes sense, to think past that and try to find more?

Pointing out that there is more to any told doesn’t mean any other than I am explaining what I know, just as others do.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114358]
And my guess is from hearsay.:yes:[/QUOTE]

http://www.raweditorial.com/?p=241

Here’s the case of the mare who ended up at DeKalb, with the owners full name at the bottom for you to verify to your hearts content.

‘The police finally went into the slaughter plant after many phone calls to them, my worst fear was true. I would be allowed to pick her hide out of all the hides they had, seems they save for cases of stolen horses. I would then be reimbursed for the amount they bought her.’

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6114514]
http://www.raweditorial.com/?p=241

Here’s the case of the mare who ended up at DeKalb, with the owners full name at the bottom for you to verify to your hearts content.

‘The police finally went into the slaughter plant after many phone calls to them, my worst fear was true. I would be allowed to pick her hide out of all the hides they had, seems they save for cases of stolen horses. I would then be reimbursed for the amount they bought her.’[/QUOTE]

What is your point?

[Angela_Freda]

http://www.justsaywhoa.org/slaughterhouses.asp

Texas State Representative Charlie Howard (R-Sugarland) learned that his stolen horses ended up at a Texas slaughter plant. He said this on the floor of the Texas House of Representatives on April 23, 2003 during the debate over Bloody Betty Brown’s HB 1324 to legalize the two Texas horse slaughter plants.

Not hearsay, cause you can call Sen. Howards office and ask him.

[Angela_Freda]

Originally Posted by betonbill
I believe that at least one of the Texas slaughterhouses had several chip identifiers donated to them to help look for stolen horses. Several years later someone checked and they were sitting pristinely unopened in their boxes.

Then there is the story of a father and daughter looking for a stolen horse at Crown, I believe. They were directed to look through the pile of hides to see if they could identify their horse.

Of course, there were some stolen horses recovered through the years, but that was after the owners took the initiative and flooded the SHs with calls. Perhaps one or two of the inspectors were on the ball and actually found one or two stolen horses and contacted the owners.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114342]
Where does that information you are repeating come from?[/QUOTE]

@Bluey;6114358

And my guess is from hearsay.:yes:

That’s my point.

[Bluey]

My point is that there were inspectors there.
Inspectors looked at the horses against their reported stolen horse sheets.
If they had a match they quarantined the horse and contacted the owners to come look at the horse/s in question.

I already said no system is perfect, but there was a system in place.

Any story, if it is documented it truly happened, doesn’t mean there was no inspection.
I say that because I do know there were inspections done and how the process worked and that they found horses thru it.:yes:

Not only that, the inspectors are still there in sale barns today.
You can go ask them.

[Angela_Freda]

http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072564938/student_view0/chapter17/chapter_outline.html

'Criminal Investigation, 8/e
Charles R. Swanson, University of Georgia
Neil C. Chamelin, Assistant State Attorney, Second Judicial Circuit
Leonard Territo, University of South Florida- Tampa

V. LIVESTOCK AND TACK THEFT (See Slide 17-7)

A. Cattle Rustling

The majority of thefts are committed by one or two people who take the animal for their own use.

B. Horse Rustling

More than 50,000 horses are stolen each year as compared to about 20,000 cattle. About 60 percent of the stolen horses end up in slaughter plants, where they are processed and sold as meat for human consumption in Europe and Japan.’

http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/NashtoTatum1.htm

'In an April 11 email message to me, TSCRA Director Todd McCartney wrote,

2. The # of horses reported stolen to TSCRA is not a figure I can get my hands on easily. It is not a figure we use, so it is not an item totaled in our database. It could be discovered but only by man hours reading summary reports submitted by each one of our 31 officers.

3. As I mentioned to you on the phone, we do know the # of horses recovered by TSCRA law officers …but not the location of their recovery. In the last 10 years (1992-2002) we recovered 1,024 stolen horses. Since we started inspecting horses at the two plants we have recovered 837. However, we can’t pull up how many of those were apprehended at the plants. Again, that would take man hours to discover. It is simply not a number that is totaled. ’

See http://kaufmanzoning.net/horsemeat/McCartneytoNash1.htm

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114556]
My point is that there were inspectors there.
Inspectors looked at the horses against their reported stolen horse sheets.
If they had a match they quarantined the horse and contacted the owners to come look at the horse/s in question.

I already said no system is perfect, but there was a system in place.

Any story, if it is documented it truly happened, doesn’t mean there was no inspection.
I say that because I do know there were inspections done and how the process worked and that they found horses thru it.:yes:

Not only that, the inspectors are still there in sale barns today.
You can go ask them.[/QUOTE]

You wrote that Betonbills ‘story’ of horses stolen and slaughtered was probably ‘hearsay’.
Procedures or not, stolen horses do get slaughtered. It’s not hearsay.

http://www.netposse.info/stolenmissing/stolenmissingimg/tugOKApril05.htm

‘Sadly one of the horses was shipped somewhere in Ill. to a slaughter plant. But they got both of the
thieves and will be prosecuted.’

'In 2004, Cimaron, a young Morab gelding owned by 13-year-old Sky Dutchner of upstate NewYork, was stolen. Months of searching by the watchdog group Stolen Horse lnternational foundthat the animal had been shipped north along the so-called torture trail to Quebec andslaughtered. Debbie Metcalf, the group’s founder, estimates that 40,000 horses are stolen in the United States annually. “The thieves are looking for somebody to fence them pretty fast. Slaughterhouses can be ready buyers,” explains Metcalf.

Source: Harkinson, Josh, Horse F lash: Texas struggles with what to do with its m’erabzmdcmce 0fEqrms cabalfus, u’hi1’eEuropemrs wail with open mouths, Houston Press, April I3, 2006 at:www.houstonpresscornfeontent/printVersion/233992

More about Cimmarons case here:
http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/the-race-for-time-ended-slaughter-plant-78584.html

[luvmytbs]

@Bluey;6114556

My point is that there were inspectors there.
Inspectors looked at the horses against their reported stolen horse sheets.
If they had a match they quarantined the horse and contacted the owners to come look at the horse/s in question.

Any story, if it is documented it truly happened, doesn’t mean there was no inspection.
I say that because I do know there were inspections done and how the process worked and that they found horses thru it.:yes:

Not according to Mr. Koehler of Beltex Corp.:

Koehler: “This mandatory brand inspection by law enforcement has
been in effect since 1997, when Texas Agriculture Code #148 took
effect. In all the years I have been at the company, the brand
inspectors have never found a horse that has been reported
stolen.”

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114581]
Not according to Mr. Koehler of Beltex Corp.:

Koehler: “This mandatory brand inspection by law enforcement has
been in effect since 1997, when Texas Agriculture Code #148 took
effect. In all the years I have been at the company, the brand
inspectors have never found a horse that has been reported
stolen.”[/QUOTE]

I wonder if he just didn’t know, or didn’t want to say?:yes:

[JGHIRETIRE]

You really have to wonder why that might be…

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114581]
Not according to Mr. Koehler of Beltex Corp.:

Koehler: “This mandatory brand inspection by law enforcement has
been in effect since 1997, when Texas Agriculture Code #148 took
effect. In all the years I have been at the company, the brand
inspectors have never found a horse that has been reported
stolen.”[/QUOTE]

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;6114622]
You really have to wonder why that might be…[/QUOTE]

And how many horses have brands?

Plus microchips were removed AFTER they were slaughtered, and as mentioned earlier, the scanners were found still WRAPPED, sitting in boxes.

[Bluey]

You do realize where some of that information in those links is coming from.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114640]
You do realize where some of that information in those links is coming from.;)[/QUOTE]

Owner of the horses (one a senator), owner of the SH, USDA vet.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;6114665]
Owner of the horses (one a senator), owner of the SH, USDA vet.[/QUOTE]

Such disreputable sources, don’tcha know?

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;6114665]
Owner of the horses (one a senator), owner of the SH, USDA vet.[/QUOTE]

Their comments not always quite what they sound once hand picked by animal rights sites for their propaganda.:no:

All I am saying is that some I know, directly from the horse’s mouth you may say, is omitted from the stories.
Animal rights stories want to make all sound so evil for their purpose.
Much information is missing in the telling, to make it as bad as they can manage.

The “he said - he said not” is moot question now, the plants in TX closed some years ago.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6114671]
Such disreputable sources, don’tcha know?[/QUOTE]

I know. It’s not “the friend of a friend’s Father in law that used to work at a SH”, but what can I say.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;6114682]
I know. It’s not “the friend of a friend’s Father in law that used to work at a SH”, but what can I say.[/QUOTE]

Exacly.
That would at least be told as it happened, not filtered thru the AR propaganda machine and repeated by their followers all over the internet.:winkgrin:

[JGHIRETIRE]

The senator must be a RARA ya know?

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6114671]
Such disreputable sources, don’tcha know?[/QUOTE]

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;6114714]
The senator must be a RARA ya know?[/QUOTE]

He may be, you never know, or maybe traded votes for AR support.
I don’t think that is unheard of.