Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;6113661Every horse unloaded was looked over by an USDA inspector and an TSCRA inspector.
No trailer was opened until inspectors were there and no horse unloaded, at the TX plants, without it.
Horses were turned back if they didn’t comply with their requirements and quarantined if there was a match with a reported stolen one.

.:([/QUOTE]

Actually, this isn’t true for when we had slaughter houses here. Horses were often unloaded at night with no inspector present. There were forms that the driver would fill out with how many died enroute etc. You can see the actual filled out forms on Mary Nash’s website. I know you haven’t looked at it, but the Beltex FOIA docs have 906 pages of violations (transport) of horses that were severely injured and dropped off at the SH. (the 906 pgs were from an 11 month period at that ONE SH.)

If packing them in on DD was the safest, cheapest way to transport horses, you’d see all of the racetracks/show horse owners/big commercial transport companies like Equine Express/Hubbards doing it.

[luvmytbs]

@Bluey;6113661

Horses were turned back if they didn’t comply with their requirements and quarantined if there was a match with a reported stolen one.

Oh really?

According to Beltex CEO Koehler from the July 2006 House Hearing:

Koehler: “This mandatory brand inspection by law enforcement has
been in effect since 1997, when Texas Agriculture Code #148 took
effect. In all the years I have been at the company, the brand
inspectors have never found a horse that has been reported
stolen.”

When provided with articles of horses stolen who ended up at slaughter in Texas (yes, Beltex) the discussion continued as follows:

"MR. WHITFIELD. And I might say that he talked about the
fact that you are paying $5 for every horse slaughtered, $3 to the
Cattlemen’s Association and $2 to Texas A&M Extension Service and
the purpose of that is try to identify, because in his opinion he
talks specifically about the number of stolen horses that were
being slaughtered in Texas at the two plants.
And the reason that they were going to go to this $5 was to
try to come up with a plan to identify stolen horses. And you said,
in your testimony, you did not identify any horses that had been
stolen and in the San Antonio newspaper that I was referring to,
which I have a copy of here, and talking to the people at Texas A&M
and the Southwestern Cattle Association, they said they have not
found any horses that had been stolen being slaughtered.
Now, do you honestly believe that you are not slaughtering
any stolen horses in your plant?
MR. KOEHLER. To my knowledge, that is correct.
MR. WHITFIELD. Do you have a database of stolen horses?
MR. KOEHLER. Do I have a database?
MR. WHITFIELD. A database.
MR. KOEHLER. I have a database of horses that are received
for slaughter.
MR. WHITFIELD. Do you have a database of stolen horses?
MR. KOEHLER. If you mean information from various horse
associations and individual owners that are given to the Texas
Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association, that is a lot to say, yes,
sir. They are given to the inspector so he is aware of what animals
are–
MR. WHITFIELD. And does he get 80 cents a head?
MR. KOEHLER. Sir?
MR. WHITFIELD. The brand inspector, does he get 80 cents per
head for a horse that goes through the process?
MR. KOEHLER. The brand inspector is paid by the Texas
Southwestern Cattle Raisers.
MR. WHITFIELD. That you pay. You pay for that, though,
right?
MR. KOEHLER. I pay to the State of–mandated by the State
of Texas, part of it to the Texas–
MR. WHITFIELD. Yes, yes.
MR. KOEHLER. Which the State of Texas chose that brand
inspector and–
MR. WHITFIELD. I don’t think that anyone would–I mean, we
have got–these were just from the last month, but these are
articles around the country on horses stolen and taken to slaughter. "

[7HL]

:rolleyes: yawn… How did we get to talking about Texas?

Wasn’t the accident in Tennessee?

Keep the propaganda flowing…

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114118]
Oh really?

According to Beltex CEO Koehler from the July 2006 House Hearing:

Koehler: “This mandatory brand inspection by law enforcement has
been in effect since 1997, when Texas Agriculture Code #148 took
effect. In all the years I have been at the company, the brand
inspectors have never found a horse that has been reported
stolen.”

When provided with articles of horses stolen who ended up at slaughter in Texas (yes, Beltex) the discussion continued as follows:

"MR. WHITFIELD. And I might say that he talked about the
fact that you are paying $5 for every horse slaughtered, $3 to the
Cattlemen’s Association and $2 to Texas A&M Extension Service and
the purpose of that is try to identify, because in his opinion he
talks specifically about the number of stolen horses that were
being slaughtered in Texas at the two plants.
And the reason that they were going to go to this $5 was to
try to come up with a plan to identify stolen horses. And you said,
in your testimony, you did not identify any horses that had been
stolen and in the San Antonio newspaper that I was referring to,
which I have a copy of here, and talking to the people at Texas A&M
and the Southwestern Cattle Association, they said they have not
found any horses that had been stolen being slaughtered.
Now, do you honestly believe that you are not slaughtering
any stolen horses in your plant?
MR. KOEHLER. To my knowledge, that is correct.
MR. WHITFIELD. Do you have a database of stolen horses?
MR. KOEHLER. Do I have a database?
MR. WHITFIELD. A database.
MR. KOEHLER. I have a database of horses that are received
for slaughter.
MR. WHITFIELD. Do you have a database of stolen horses?
MR. KOEHLER. If you mean information from various horse
associations and individual owners that are given to the Texas
Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association, that is a lot to say, yes,
sir. They are given to the inspector so he is aware of what animals
are–
MR. WHITFIELD. And does he get 80 cents a head?
MR. KOEHLER. Sir?
MR. WHITFIELD. The brand inspector, does he get 80 cents per
head for a horse that goes through the process?
MR. KOEHLER. The brand inspector is paid by the Texas
Southwestern Cattle Raisers.
MR. WHITFIELD. That you pay. You pay for that, though,
right?
MR. KOEHLER. I pay to the State of–mandated by the State
of Texas, part of it to the Texas–
MR. WHITFIELD. Yes, yes.
MR. KOEHLER. Which the State of Texas chose that brand
inspector and–
MR. WHITFIELD. I don’t think that anyone would–I mean, we
have got–these were just from the last month, but these are
articles around the country on horses stolen and taken to slaughter. "[/QUOTE]

I think that you are trying to make a statement you don’t know anything about with that cut and paste snip only from a whole conversation.
I have read that as a release from animal rights sites, where you seem to be getting much information, while insisting you are not one of their followers.:rolleyes:

I know personally horse owners with stolen horses that were alerted by TSCRA inspectors and went there to look at possible matches.:yes:

[Dispatcher]

Quote:
Or
Horses were turned back if they didn’t comply with their requirements and quarantined if there was a match with a reported stolen one.

The above quote is propaganda.

@7HL;6114197

:rolleyes: yawn… How did we get to talking about Texas?

Wasn’t the accident in Tennessee?

Keep the propaganda flowing…

[luvmytbs]

@Bluey;6114211

I have read that as a release from animal rights sites.

The US Government Printing Office is now an animal rights site. Sigh…

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_house_hearings&docid=f:30795.wais

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114260]
The US Government Printing Office is now an animal rights site. Sigh…

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_house_hearings&docid=f:30795.wais[/QUOTE]

And copied and used for their propaganda by all those animal rights groups, sigh …

No, it is not propaganda that the horses that matched the description of missing horses were held back.:lol:
I spoke with the inspectors that were there, checking the horses against their lists.:yes:

[7HL]

Really… NO MINDS ARE BEING CHANGED HERE.

blah,blah,blah.

Now fire up tbe BBQ!

[luvmytbs]

@Bluey;6114269

I spoke with the inspectors that were there, checking the horses against their lists.:yes:

Oh yes, we know: You know everybody in the business.
Maybe congress should invite you as a speaker for their next hearing.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6114290]
Oh yes, we know: You know everybody in the business.
Maybe congress should invite you as a speaker for their next hearing. [/QUOTE]

One inspector was our neighbor’s father.

Some here, on the other hand, get their out of context, myths and mis-information they then copy and paste obviously from animal rights propaganda.

[Dispatcher]

Heavy sigh. One says yes, the other says no.

Too many “no’s” to negate the couple of “yes’s”

One person’s lone experience does make the whole of it true.

[betonbill]

I believe that at least one of the Texas slaughterhouses had several chip identifiers donated to them to help look for stolen horses. Several years later someone checked and they were sitting pristinely unopened in their boxes.

Then there is the story of a father and daughter looking for a stolen horse at Crown, I believe. They were directed to look through the pile of hides to see if they could identify their horse.

Of course, there were some stolen horses recovered through the years, but that was after the owners took the initiative and flooded the SHs with calls. Perhaps one or two of the inspectors were on the ball and actually found one or two stolen horses and contacted the owners.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6114312]
Heavy sigh. One says yes, the other says no.

Too many “no’s” to negate the couple of “yes’s”

One person’s lone experience does make the whole of it true.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you ought to consider that one person’s knowledge may make the whole true, if that one person knows first hand and the detractors are winging it on out of context, myths, mis-information from animal rights propaganda.:no:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=betonbill;6114332]
I believe that at least one of the Texas slaughterhouses had several chip identifiers donated to them to help look for stolen horses. Several years later someone checked and they were sitting pristinely unopened in their boxes.

Then there is the story of a father and daughter looking for a stolen horse at Crown, I believe. They were directed to look through the pile of hides to see if they could identify their horse.

Of course, there were some stolen horses recovered through the years, but that was after the owners took the initiative and flooded the SHs with calls. Perhaps one or two of the inspectors were on the ball and actually found one or two stolen horses and contacted the owners.[/QUOTE]

Where does that information you are repeating come from?

[Dispatcher]

nah, it doesn’t work that way.

What does work is knowing that RARA’s and NON-RARA’s (of which almost everyone on this board is) use propaganda, not just one.

[Dispatcher]

@Bluey;6114342

Where does that information you are repeating come from?

I suspect from personal experience–the same as yours comes from persoanl experience.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6114355]
I suspect from personal experience–the same as yours comes from persoanl experience.[/QUOTE]

And my guess is from hearsay.:yes:

[JGHIRETIRE]

Problem is you seem to be really the only one with “knowledge” that everything went the way it was supposed to.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114335]
Maybe you ought to consider that one person’s knowledge may make the whole true, if that one person knows first hand and the detractors are winging it on out of context, myths, mis-information from animal rights propaganda.:no:[/QUOTE]

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;6114360]
Problem is you seem to be really the only one with “knowledge” that everything went the way it was supposed to.[/QUOTE]

Not what I have said at all.
Of course “everything” doesn’t always go as is supposed to.
Life itself doesn’t work that way.
I do know that so much AR groups put out in their propaganda and their followers repeat here is not so, that’s all.:yes:

[JGHIRETIRE]

Yes that is pretty much exactly what you say and then you do as you just did - the rest of us have to be AR nutjobs to disagree with you - you absolutely positively know without a shadow of a doubt that anything that doesn’t agree with your opinion has to be AR propaganda.
You do not respect anyone else’s opinion but your own.
At least have the courtesy to not call us RARA’s and too stupid to read between the lines if we do not happen to agree with you.
According to you everything related to horse slaughter was an absolute bed of roses - nothing ever went wrong anywhere ever.
Information released through the FOIA is just a bunch of AR propaganda - it was through the USDA - hello??? Government??
Agree to disagree but stop with the eye rolling and insinuations.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6114377]
Not what I have said at all.
Of course “everything” doesn’t always go as is supposed to.
Life itself doesn’t work that way.
I do know that so much AR groups put out in their propaganda and their followers repeat here is not so, that’s all.:yes:[/QUOTE]