Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

The point is that he’s a lying sack [edit]. We all know it and we all know (except bluey who knows more than anyone else:lol:) that stuffing 38 riding horses in a trailer is not done by anyone who gives a crap about the condition they are going to be in when they get where they are going.

As I said, I sure hope someone checked this guys coggins and health certificates and he gets $1000’s of dollars in fines if he is breaking the law and crossing state lines without the coggins and health papers being done. There is NO reason why there should be a double standard with kill buyers and anyone else who hauls horses for any reason over state lines. He claims to not be hauling to kill so prove it. Show us your health certificates for 38 horses. My bet is that he doesn’t have them.

If you all hadn’t noticed there has been an EHV-1 outbreak in NC recently. That’s not something to be taken lightly.:no:

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you REALLY had me fooled!

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I am pretty sure slaughter bound horses are not the ones spreading disease…

If the shipper does not have the necessary papers, one more charge to be filed.

On the news report, they interviewed the TN State Veterinarian who stated he had previously spoken to the owner of these horses about health certificates not being done on the horses he sent to TX. And that the State of TX was already investigating him for this reason.

You will notice I never addressed her once but she jumped all over my post and got personal. Who’s stalking whom? :confused:

That assumes they are on a sealed trailer and not making any stops anywhere. You can’t assume that in this case or any case in the US for slaughter horses…and since this guy denied that…he should be in compliance with all laws for shipping riding horses.

If they go anywhere but directly to a slaughterhouse they should have to have the same exact health papers as any horse being shipped anywhere. You just don’t know when one will be pulled out of a stockyard and sold to someone. I’d imagine it happens more than you’d think…or turned loose in the desert to fend for themselves if turned away at the border as one killbuyer was found to have done in Texas. Those horses could easily spread disease.

Good. I’m glad to hear they are on top of it. :yes:

Okay, if you care about the condition of the animals and box stalls on an air ride aren’t a feasible option, packing them in to make sure one doesn’t get down and get trampled is in the best interest of the animals. Sorry this doesn’t make sense to some people

They really need to get their stories straight:

“The driver, Mance Frank Reed, told state troopers Monday night he was taking the horses to Presidio, TX.”

Why?

I get it and don’t disagree.

And the final destination of the horses is not really relevant, as lots of folks get into accidents with their trailers and their animals die or are injured.

Except it is relevant if he’s not obeying transport laws, including obtaining the right paperwork. If he is transporting them to a feedlot or a slaughterhouse - do it right. Whether the cargo is pigs or chicken or horses or goats. Do it right. Don’t lie about it - just do it right.

It was a single decker trailer, not a double decker. I have no idea what the actual length of the trailer was, so it is impossible to say whether the trailer was under loaded, overloaded, or loaded correctly.

From the WSMV reports, it seems fairly well-established that the horses were headed to a Texas feedlot. Last I checked, that is perfectly legal.

I assumed the long delay was due to making logistical arrangements for righting the truck, obtaining trailers, etc. One report stated that the rescuers made a “corral” of trailers to prevent horses from bolting away if they spooked upon unloading. It is hard to tell, but it looks as though at least some of the horses were not wearing haters in the semi, so I’m sure that made things even more interesting.

I spoke with two different DART team members and they said that THP DID NOT refuse their assistance - the local County crew and veterinarians were already onsite, and additional assistance and equipment were not needed.

The few horses who were shown on the news videos and in pictures appeared to be in good health, weight, and condition.

Obviously, if the news reports about investigations into the owners are true, then this company does have some explaining to do. But, on the surface, this particular case doesn’t appear to involve animal cruelty. I can understand then why the owner was allowed to have another transporter pick up the uninjured horses. What is most alarming to me is that this truck driver may have fallen asleeep behind the wheel at 5 pm in Nashville rush hour traffic! I am amazed that no people were injured or killed and that the majority of the horses were fine as well.

That was tongue in cheek.

But really, why does that owner continue to talk to the press?

Latest from today:

"During the summer of 2011, authorities in Texas investigated how animals that were rejected by the slaughterhouses ended up abandoned with no food and water.
Ayache confirmed to Channel 4’s Nancy Amons that he was involved in the incident in Presidio, but said, “I’m not willing to talk about it.” "

[QUOTE=JSwan;6087409]
I get it and don’t disagree.

And the final destination of the horses is not really relevant, as lots of folks get into accidents with their trailers and their animals die or are injured.

Except it is relevant if he’s not obeying transport laws, including obtaining the right paperwork. If he is transporting them to a feedlot or a slaughterhouse - do it right. Whether the cargo is pigs or chicken or horses or goats. Do it right. Don’t lie about it - just do it right.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. Bio security is an extremely underrated area in terms of our national economy. It doesn’t take much to have an epidemic that wreaks havoc on our local, state or national econmy

Well, because the owner then said that they were not going to slaughter, but to be sold to “horse people in Oklahoma”. So why lie?

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;6087364]
That assumes they are on a sealed trailer and not making any stops anywhere. You can’t assume that in this case or any case in the US for slaughter horses…and since this guy denied that…he should be in compliance with all laws for shipping riding horses.

If they go anywhere but directly to a slaughterhouse they should have to have the same exact health papers as any horse being shipped anywhere. [/QUOTE]

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=333002&highlight=health+papers

Health papers like these COTH posters use?

[QUOTE=RedMare01;6087430]
. So why lie?[/QUOTE]
Because he knew if he told the truth about his legal activities a whole hord of animal rights activist were going to land on his head and do everything they could to stop his ability to make an income and put food on his table? Might make you lie too.

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Okay, if you care about the condition of the animals and box stalls on an air ride aren’t a feasible option, packing them in to make sure one doesn’t get down and get trampled is in the best interest of the animals. Sorry this doesn’t make sense to some people[/QUOTE]

Horses aren’t cattle. That may be valid for cattle but definitely not for horses. They are taller, more prone to spook, more prone to rear, kick, bite and fight in confined areas. There are some BLM studies that have shown that crowded holding pens are a disaster waiting to happen with horses, not at all like cattle.

38 - 14 = 24 Sorry, just too many on that trailer no matter how you compute it. And I have hauled in a stock trailer and I wedged 6 horses onto it to go 30 min to a show. 5 and 1/2 hors4es would have been more comfy.

Bottom line, Lil’ Tex is not a good person. Known him for yrs. Not kind nor humane or pleasant. Hopefully they will make him produce correct paperwork for each horse—including the lucky dead ones.

Maybe I need to call Tommy over at Ellington Ag Center------he’s the guy that checks on all farms/stables/shows to see that they have their Coggins.

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Do you realize that jumping all over some that doesn’t think like you do is exactly what you are doing there?:wink:

Yes, some are questioning the hurry to judge it was a DD trailer, until it seems it is not.:rolleyes:
Then how the horses were hauled, something we don’t know, straight loads do have partitions in them, you know.
Then if the tags of course have to be slaughter tags, conveniently forgetting all sale barn horses get tags.
Then if the weight is right.

Then, if all that was fine, something else will be thought to make a case for certain mentalities to get all up in arms.:no:

There are plenty of horses hauled in DD and large straight loads in the West.
Many of those are rodeo stock, dude ranch horses, any one that has larger numbers of horses to move.
That is how they have done it for half a century, how the BLM did it for decades, how many still do it.
It is done safely, unless a driver falls asleep, which may even happen with someone hauling one horse back from a show.:eek:

Yes, use logic and you will see why some may say, hey, wait a minute, don’t get your ammunition out quite yet to start the blame game, at least find out more first.:frowning:

This was a terrible accident.
No reason to pile it on quite yet, to get the lynching ropes ready, wait to know more first.[/QUOTE]

Jumping on someone for their beliefs is not at all what I was doing, but thanks for the wink. Jumping on people for reacting with hostility, maybe, but not for their opinions. I actually wasn’t piling anything on, I gave no opinion on this story, just that I thought the hostility was counter-productive and ignorant. Thanks for proving my point. :wink: