Charlotte Jorst calls out Gary Rockwell

“Tonight i had an oustanding test the beautiful and talented Kastels Akeem. The judges were almost in agreement. Everyone were at 70 to almost 72% except for Gary Rockwell who had Akeem at a 66%. Harmony between rider and horse was a 6 from Gary. That’s hurtful. I have done nothing but work on the harmony. But take a look, what do we think? 66 or 72?”

https://www.facebook.com/cjorst1/videos/vb.1092907217/10208187026928713/?type=2&theater

Isn’t the whole point of having multiple judges to allow for disagreements? I think this is pretty unprofessional.

The collected walk was lateral and there was a fairly obvious bobble at the end as she prepared to turn up the center line, when the horse spooked and fell out of passage. Overall, I didn’t see it as particularly disharmonious. That said, it’s a freaking game, and of you are going to play the game you have to accept judges’ opinions. First world problem.

What competition is this? I’m wondering if there are available marks per movement. But still, just because anybody has been “working on harmony” doesn’t mean the rider pulled it off for any particular test. I also question how “outstanding” marks of 70 -72% are.

Take it as a lesson. He was trying to find where in the test he could score to teach her what she needed to work on. I would, too. What I see when I see her ride is someone with very nice horses trained by someone else with very good help who hasn’t been riding long enough to have all of the finesse you need at this level. Compared to people who have been riding 30 years versus her 3, you can really see the difference.

a spread of 5% on a 5 judge panel is not all that uncommon. Even on a 2 judge panel.

where did he place her within all the competitors

I agree

bad sportsmanship

( dont do facebook so am assuming this was a 5 judge panel)

I haven’t followed Charlotte Jorst’s rise, but I saw her comments last night and thought it was in poor taste from a rider competing at that level.

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…Compared to people who have been riding 30 years versus her 3, you can really see the difference.[/QUOTE]

http://centerlinescores.com/Rider/Details/39514#filterBy=scores

She has scores going back 14 years. But FEI scores going back only ten years (2006).

Gary’s been around for a long time. He might be right!

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Her scores this year with that horse are in the mid to upper 60s with a recent 74. So it doesn’t seem like any of the judges were that far off her recent average.

Whiny post though and unbecoming. Surely she’s been around horse showing long enough to know that these things happen!

Aside from this facebook comment, I don’t understand why there seems to be so much angst against her. Is it because she’s bought nice horses? Other people buy great horses and fail to become anybody. It’s not like all the other top horses were cheap horses and brought up by their riders. Laura brought up her horse, yet has FEI experience on exactly 1 horse (and hasn’t shown another horse in years at any level). Yet, she’s well respected by the community. I guess I just don’t get it. Same with Kasey and her recent success. Why aren’t we happy for their success and hoping they can continue and become great team members in the future?

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No matter what level you ride, every once and awhile you are going to have one judge give you a spanking. Even if none of the other judges agree. We’ve all been there.

But mostly we complain to our friends over a glass of wine.

I would never in a million years publicly go after a judge like that. Very, very bad sportsmanship, especially given the level she is competing at.

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I would never in a million years publicly go after a judge like that. Very, very bad sportsmanship, especially given the level she is competing at.[/QUOTE]

That was my thought.

And I really appreciate that she (via her company, I mean) sponsors many shows. I think it’s great when wealthy people step up to help subsidize competitions, and do so even when their assistance aids the very people who’re grousing jealously about the wealthy competitors’ advantages.

It’s too bad she went so far as to put that out there, publicly.

I like Charlotte and have been cheering for her from afar, but calling out a judge by name in a public forum is very poor sportsmanship. We have all felt the frustration of a judge who sees it differently. I think it’s an unfortunate moment of emotion that should have been shared with close barnmates over a glass of wine, not with everyone over the internet.

In a judged sport you have to take the good with the bad and move on. Publicly complaining about a judge is not only unprofessional and unbecoming, it’s also potentially career-limiting in a very small world.

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Aside from this facebook comment, I don’t understand why there seems to be so much angst against her. Is it because she’s bought nice horses? Other people buy great horses and fail to become anybody. It’s not like all the other top horses were cheap horses and brought up by their riders. Laura brought up her horse, yet has FEI experience on exactly 1 horse (and hasn’t shown another horse in years at any level). Yet, she’s well respected by the community. I guess I just don’t get it. Same with Kasey and her recent success. Why aren’t we happy for their success and hoping they can continue and become great team members in the future?[/QUOTE]

You know, I don’t think there’s a great deal of angst against her really; in fact I think many people wanted to support her as an AA with the resources and drive to pursue her goals as an international rider. I do feel though that some people are perhaps a bit miffed by her, but it has little to do with that fact that she bought nice horses. I’d wager that most of us would do something similar if we had her budget. So the issue doesn’t lie there. Instead I would say that the people who aren’t enamored of her feel that way because she (or at least her online persona and self promotion) gives off a sense of entitlement and self-aggrandizement.

Essentially, she’s a relative newcomer who bought lovely horses and seems to expect that she’ll be received the same as those with far greater experience, time, talent, and work in the industry; it’s almost like she just expects to be put on a team because she’s got perhaps the highest caliber string of FEI horses of anyone in the world and can afford top training. That idea totally ignores the whole artistry and partnership aspects that are integral to dressage and said idea certainly has the potential to irk people (and no, I don’t deny that there is an insane amount of politics involved, but that’s a different beast).

Laura Graves also has minimal experience but is better received because she’s trained Diddy herself (certainly with mentors and help, but she still had a large part in the bulk of the work) and clearly put in the time to develop the relationship with him (correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she basically just has him as her main partner where Charlotte has five or six superstars). She also doesn’t seem to come across as arrogant or entitled in any of her posts or interviews–or none that I’ve seen anyway. It’s all about the horse for Laura and it’s clear how much she adores him. I think people can get on board with that. There’s also the fact that people love the archetypal American Dream/rags to riches story, and Laura certainly fits that image quite a bit more than Charlotte.

Having said that, I’m not taking anything from Charlotte or her goal to ride in the Olympics; props to her (and I mean that sincerely!). But I do believe that while she is a good rider she still has to develop her artistry and the relationship with her horses if she wants to get everything out of them and produce an Olympic caliber ride. Dressage isn’t just about who can buy the most fabulous horse and ride a pattern, it’s an art just like playing the piano or painting a picture. Have you ever heard someone who can play all the notes in a song but impart no real feeling? They may be technically proficient but no one is going to hear that and think “Wow!” I feel like it’s the same in dressage; fabulous rides evoke a visceral response. It takes time to build the relationship with a horse to be able to do that.

In the meantime, and more on topic for this entire thread, displaying better sportsmanship would likely be a good start towards producing the sort of image people can relate to and helping navigate the inherent politics associated with playing in the big international sandbox.

I would agree it was bad sportsmanship to complain about judging…but I still love her Kastel shirts:D

Wow- She has only been riding 15 years! http://horse-tales.com/2014/08/29/charlotte-jorst/

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You know, I don’t think there’s a great deal of angst against her really; in fact I think many people wanted to support her as an AA with the resources and drive to pursue her goals as an international rider. I do feel though that some people are perhaps a bit miffed by her, but it has little to do with that fact that she bought nice horses. I’d wager that most of us would do something similar if we had her budget. So the issue doesn’t lie there. Instead I would say that the people who aren’t enamored of her feel that way because she (or at least her online persona and self promotion) gives off a sense of entitlement and self[/QUOTE]

Interestingly, she no longer shows as an AA

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Interestingly, she no longer shows as an AA[/QUOTE]

That is interesting; I hadn’t realized that.

Hmmm…interestingly enough, the video appears to have been removed, or at the very least, made private as the link no longer works.

Her comments are spoiled sounding and unprofessional. If you’re lucky enough to be riding in this sport, especially at the top levels, you should be grown up enough to handle criticism both good and bad. Get over yourself. We freakin’ PAY these people to judge us and give us their educated opinions on our rides. If she doesn’t like it, then maybe she should go take up golf or something. Cripes.