Child in my pasture- WWYD?

[asanders]

Although this has been an entertaining read, I’m not sure what can be done until this kid can be IDed. To the OP, do you think the police will be any help in this, or are you on your own? It is too bad it is summer break, but you might get some help at the local middle school if you can give a good description and the geography should help. Someone should be working in the office even though school may be out. I’d explain it in light of the danger to the child, and wanting to have the parents notified. I’m sure they won’t just give out information, but when they tell you that, just ask that they provide the information to the police you have been in contact with.

I’m afraid you will have worse trouble until you figure out who she is.:(

[cloudyandcallie]

[QUOTE=asb_own_me;3373652]
Too bad this isn’t still the norm. It would save us all a lot of headaches.[/QUOTE]:lol::lol::lol:
:winkgrin:my father, now deceased, and my mother just turned 86, both believed that I was guilty when accused by someone until I proved my innocence. I called it the “presumption of guilt”. but lots of kids evn back then in the dark ages had parents who said they were 'sweet little angels"
they all got pregnant as teenagers:winkgrin:

[AnnaCrew]

[QUOTE=asb_own_me;3373619]
So some stranger kid who’s not being supervised is more important than the safety and well being of the OP’s horses?[/QUOTE] Not only horses - the safety and well being of the child must be taken into account too! If she (like somebody suggested) is one of movie watchers, her ideas about how to act around horses might be quite dagerous not only for horses but for herself too. Do you suggest to be nice and say nothing to the child who can lead herself into serious life threathening damages?

Leave alone all the legal stuff - tresspasing, lawyers, insurances and costs on putting fences. Think about this child. A CHILD. Just think a moment. You all here are around horses all the time, you “read” them perfect, you have knowledge and all that, she is just a silly child trying to repeat something that she had seen on TV, good or bad. She has no idea about real, alive horse. A big, heavy animal who can easy kill her by accident.

Press on police to take actions to stop this child! Next time she can be injured or even killed. And then it will be YOUR responsibility, kookicat. And nobody will protect you because you just wanted be nice to the child.
I will yell at any child who is in danger, and silly child without an idea about horses alone in pastures with horses is in danger, rude or not.

[naters]

Can the OP just get a big stick and run after the kid? It may work…

If you pay my plane ticket, I would be glad to come and do it for you!!! :lol:

[lcw579]

[QUOTE=facinated;3373576]
There is something seriously wrong with the majority of you people.If this woman does not know who her neighbors are, in a rural area, I will bet that if you poll the neighbors you will hear plenty about her. There was a posting a few weeks ago about a mountain lion in a pasture. Lots of people defended the lion. This is a child, no one knows her name or anything about her yet the venom is spewing. This spitefull tone and attitude towards people works against horse owners every time. If my kid came home and told me that someone had yelled at her, I would find that person and make their life very, very miserable. If my child were at fault I would take responsibility, but nobody is going to get away with going after my child. There is an American Indian saying which goes something like “We do not inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children”[/QUOTE]

Well, your kid better never come play at my house, because guess what? I yell at my kids and if their friends are here acting up - they get yellled at too! :yes: All this protecting the “psyche” of the dear little children is turning out a generation of sociopaths who think only of themselves. If anyone, anywhere ever catches one of my kids sassing an adult or otherwise misbehaving please have at 'em. And let me know about it so I can punish them when they get home too.

And chasing the horses with a stick? Please, that isn’t showing an interest, that is akin to teasing a dog through a fence. A “horsecrazy” kid just won’t do something like that, they’d be too busy trying to give the horse a treat and get close enough to pet it.

Good luck OP! I hope you find out where the little monster is coming from and the adults in her life really punish her!

[slc2]

Follow her and find out where she lives, some other neighbors will probably know what house she is from.

Talk to her parents, ‘Your daughter is not allowed on my property. Not only would she not leave when I asked her, she also mouthed off to me. I cannot afford the liability of a child getting injured on my property, that’s how it is, and I don’t need or want any help. It is not about you agreeing not to sue me, your insurance company can come after me without you even wanting them to. This is non-negotiable. I do NOT want to see your child on my property again. If I find her on my land again, I will call Child Protective Services, and the police. I am very, very serious about this. I am a friendly neighbor but I will not change my mind on this. She CANNOT come on my property.’

I would not leave your horses out unless you are there and able to actively watch, and not leave them out with you not actively watching, not until this is under control. I would consider putting up a couple hot wires and if you have a nasty dog you can borrow so much the better.

There is no middle ground on this. A kid who isn’t instructed how to be around horses is a danger to herself as well as the horses and anyone else around. When I was a kid i took a friend to ‘visit’ some horses in a pasture. The kid was a hemophiliac, and when one of the horses knocked her over trying to get at an apple, she almost bled to death. You don’t know what can happen.

[JanM]

I agree with slc2 except for one thing-when you find out where she lives call the police and social services and let them handle it. I would have totally agreed with slc2 a few years ago, except that parents and other so-called adults aren’t the rational creatures they used to be. Since the horse chasing has escalated to vandalism this is already well beyond on the “have a little chat with the parents idea”-it is now criminal harassment and I’m afraid for the OP’s animals and property because of the possibility of continued problems with the teenager or her friends and family. I definitely agree that the next order of business is to find out who this kid is and then take legal action. After all it’s not as if the courts are going to send her to a life sentence at Devil’s Island or something–she and her family will probably get supervision and visits from social services and that is apparently what she needs. Maybe if there are other neighbors with animals you and the neighbor can ask around to see if this is more widespread than you know, and also are there any neighbors (such as the farmer) with teenage kids that might know the identity of this kid? I really like the wildlife camera idea too since that will give you a way to identify her and prove she was trespassing.

[BelladonnaLily]

[QUOTE=facinated;3373576]
If my child were at fault I would take responsibility, [/QUOTE]

How 'bout your child taking responsibility?

At a show many years ago, my then 6 year old daughter said something very rude to an older child (who happened to have issues, she was a foster child). The foster mother crawled my daughter immediately and y’know what? I didn’t say a word (until she was done, then it was my turn :winkgrin:). My daughter learned a valuable lesson that day. Had she seen me go into crazed overprotective idiot mother mode and defend her because someone dared raise their voice at lil’ poopsikins, she wouldn’t have learned a damned thing. Glad to say that daughter is now almost 15 and a pretty nice kid (most of the time ). Glad I kept her around and that others think enough of her to actually let her know when her behavior is unacceptable.

The foster mother turned into a very good friend and later loaned us a great pony. She will still tell my kids like it is if they need it, and I’m glad.

And no one is doing that kid any favors by coddling her. She obviously hasn’t been taught any boundaries at home.

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

Can you get a sterilization dart and shoot her with it so she won’t be able to breed more disrespectful children in a couple of years?

Seriously though find out who she is and then you’ll be able to take all the lovely legal steps those before me have suggested! Good luck!

[cloudyandcallie]

the solution

[QUOTE=Dance_To_Oblivion;3373825]
Can you get a sterilization dart and shoot her with it so she won’t be able to breed more disrespectful children in a couple of years?

oh my God you are right, this is the solution! permanent sterilization.

Seriously though find out who she is and then you’ll be able to take all the lovely legal steps those before me have suggested! Good luck![/QUOTE]

and probably need to dart the kid’s parents too.
is this called preventive medicine?

get the wildlife camera, like here we have bass pro shops, so online to check for english versions, or order from the colonies online. get pix go to cops get results.

[Sobriska]

I have not read all of the replies. Maybe this has been mentioned. Do you (OP) have any children of your own? If not, do you know any big scary looking older kids? They wouldn’t need to touch the brat girl, but only put a World of scare into her.
"If you go anywhere near Mrs property again, we will beat you to a bloody pulp and bury you deep in a pile of manure.

I also like the idea of hot wiring the perimiter, and putting a BIG SHOCK into her butt!
Just don’t forget the little signs that say “caution electric fence” in 5 different languages.

[dressagetraks]

Boy do I remember a day many, many moons ago when Mom and we top 3 kids had just moved to a different state. We were at the new church, where we knew next to nobody so far, since we’d only lived in the town a week or so. Anyway, while we were there, Mom had to head off for a minute. So my next older brother was acting up and pestering me, taking advantage of her not being right there that second. Not borderline; he was way over the limit. A total stranger came over and smacked him sharply, then moved him down and sat down firmly between us. Nobody in the crowd even batted an eye.

When Mom came back in, the lady went right up to her and said, “I need to tell you, I just smacked your son.” Mom said, “Well, I’m sure he deserved it. You feel free to smack him anytime he needs one, and thank you.” :lol: My brother’s look was priceless. He’d figured he was “safe” in a crowd where nobody knew him well enough to discipline him. That lady became a dear friend of our family’s. Sweet little old grandmother type - but when she needed to, she packed a mean smack. She never again in years of acquaintance needed to.

Boy, have times changed.

[Romany]

To the OP…

You can bet this behaviour from this revolting little brat is just the thin end of the iceberg, and she’s quite likely to be “known” to local authorities.

Try calling her in to local child protection services, social work dept, schools, etc: just make sure you use your most pained “more in sorrow than in anger” ToV.

Call your insurance company, and make sure they make a note of your concern: if she gets hurt on your land, and/or by your livestock, you may be liable. Instead of second-guessing yourself on who’s ultimately responsible if someone or an animal or your property gets damaged, get a hard copy from them with their answers: it’s in their best interest to hear you, and respond accordingly, and they may well take up your cudgel with the local police force.

But for all of the above, use the opportunity of your meeting with the local police to ask whether any or all of the above will work, and MAKE THEM WRITE DOWN YOUR CONCERNS.

You could also ask them to swing by your paddocks on their rounds. Tell them what each of your horses looks like; age, colour, height, etc, so if they get loose mysteriously, they’ll know what to look for.

That way, at least you’ve done due diligence.

And in the meantime, consider hiring a PI to keep an eye on your property.

Are you near a military base? Any military chums? Use that connection to your advantage - bases are full of squaddies who may lurve to keep an eye on your place for you until the little sh!t goes back to school.

If it gets worse, board your horses in the next county: I’m not kidding.

Good luck.

[facinated]

[QUOTE=Artful;3373615]
facinated (sic)—are you saying that no one except yourself could discipline your child?

Are you the mother of the little monster in this thread?

Seriously, did you not read the OP? This is not a toddler, it is a preteen who is very much aware of what she is doing, of how much harm it is causing, AND escalated the damage.[/QUOTE]

Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.

[Milocalwinnings]

That really sucks. You’ve been nice once-after that the little brat deserves a little police action.

I don’t care if you know who the kid is or not (and obviously you don’t either- you shouldn’t have to!)- next time she’s in the pasture, call the police, tell them you would like them to escort them off the property and let them deal with it. Maybe this kids parents don’t have a clue and will be shocked when little miss pookie arrives at their door escorted with the police.

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

Just jingling that your horses are not injured by the cruel and stupid actions of this child. I sincerely hope she can be educated to realize how wrong her actions are.

[Seal_Harbor]

@facinated;3373576

There is something seriously wrong with the majority of you people.If this woman does not know who her neighbors are, in a rural area, I will bet that if you poll the neighbors you will hear plenty about her. There was a posting a few weeks ago about a mountain lion in a pasture. Lots of people defended the lion. This is a child, no one knows her name or anything about her yet the venom is spewing. This spitefull tone and attitude towards people works against horse owners every time. If my kid came home and told me that someone had yelled at her, I would find that person and make their life very, very miserable. If my child were at fault I would take responsibility, but nobody is going to get away with going after my child. There is an American Indian saying which goes something like “We do not inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children”

Parents like you are part of the problem. No one is going to yell at my little princess is a crock of crap. When I grew up every mother yelled at every kid on the block. You didn’t want to be caught by any adult doing something stupid or rude. Oh and we didn’t talk back either. Then your mother got to hear about how you were doing something wrong and you got yelled at again. We were much better behaved then the little “darlings” that people are raising now. Oh and by the way when those little lovelys grow up the rest of the world has to put up with their stinking attitudes and their sense of entitlement. Be grateful that someone does yell at your kid.

If some crazed mother came flying at me “making my life miserable” I’d have a restraining order on the whack job in a heart beat. Your bloody child should take responsibility for their wrong doing not YOU! You will get to PAY for anything they destroy or kill but it’s their responsibility.

[Seal_Harbor]

@facinated;3373915

Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.

What part of this do you not get? The little brat was asked to leave once, talked back to an adult and came back again. I would sic the dogs on it.

[harvestmoon]

[QUOTE=facinated;3373915]
Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.[/QUOTE]

So, you’d be fine with a kid coming on your property, waving a stick at your horses to make them run, and then cursing at you when you tell the kid you aren’t pleased? And then coming back and cutting your fence? Are only children allowed to do this? How about adults? Can I come and do this and then get an arm around my shoulder and free pony rides?

Look, I would agree with you if this kid was just out there trying to pet the horses. I would be fine with that, even though it’s still not the greatest situation (a strange kid who most likely doesn’t know much about horses). But this situation is different.

Did you miss the part where the OP said she would have been happy to show the kid around if she hadn’t been so incredibly rude?

[Artful]

Actually, I don’t think “facinated” is a parent. I don’t think she’s even an adult, based on her posts. I KNOW she’s never seen the inside of a dictionary!

P.S. based on the increasing venom of her posts, I think either:
1. she is the child in the OP
2. she’s the crazy crayon trainer