Way to insult all English horsewomen, instead of the kid who trespassed repeatedly and vandalized private property. :rolleyes:
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Actually, I don’t think “facinated” is a parent. I don’t think she’s even an adult, based on her posts. I KNOW she’s never seen the inside of a dictionary!
P.S. based on the increasing venom of her posts, I think either:
1. she is the child in the OP
2. she’s the crazy crayon trainer[/QUOTE]
AGREED! Kept myself quiet till now, but :lol::lol::yes:
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I miss the days where if an adult (non parent) had to yell at a misbehaving kid, the kid was mortified and HOPED their parents wouldn’t find out. I know mine would have tanned my hide, if I talked back to an adult or went onto someone’s property.
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i agree… call the police! if she continues to come back u deffinitely need to notify the police. and put up no trespassing signs… i don’t think the girl realises how dangerous it could be for her to be in a field with unfamiliar horses
Wow… just wow. That was completely without class.
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Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.[/QUOTE]
:eek:Wow just Wow. So what if the OP doesn’t want to know the neighbors, at least she isn’t abusing the neighbors livestock or vandalizing the neighbors property. It is the OP’s right to keep to herself if she wants to. Randomly chasing and frightening strangers horses and destroying other people’s property is another much bigger problem. I am stunned by your lack of sympathy for the OP and for standing up for the snotty little brat. If I knew my kids were behaving like that I would want to know and I would tan their hides as well as making them repair the damage and apologize and work to earn money to pay for the damages as well.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice, since you posted this on the eventing forum…
“Maybe you did not notice my perfect solution to the problem on the previous page. Here it is again:
Have a rule that if you say something crappy about someone you need to post your home phone # and address.
Think about it.”
FYI…“facinated” is not a ‘she’ but rather a ‘professional’ in northern VA.
I think
that there should just be random, drive-by ass-whuppins’ administered by good ol black baptist church ladies and english horsewomen. Where I grew up, you did NOT want to mis behave in front of any adult, including the town janitor, who was a bit of a lilty, his shoes were the color of curb paint (one of his many jobs) and he had a key to every building in town, including all three of the local banks. He rode a bicycle daily, and lived in a small apartment over the barber shop. No one, and I mean not even the baddest town bully EVER made fun of him, the offender would get a strapping from the nearest adult man with a belt on.
OP, just call the cops on 911 next time you see her, so her parents have to answer for why she isn’t supervised. But if she’s walking, just follow her home.
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My daughter is that age (12-14) range, and she has some school mates that I could see acting like the child the OP is talking about. They are the kids whose parents are not involved or aware of what their kids are up to, and the kids put on all sorts of displays of negative behavior, hoping to get ANY sort of attention from the parents. One used to come to my house and even my daughter doesn’t really want to have her here anymore (much to my relief). I tried to be a positive influence on the child, but at her age she is almost too far gone.
Then, if you get 2 or more of these kids together in a group, it is frightening the things they can dream up to do to get into trouble. They have no concept of consequences of their actions.
And what concerns me is the danger to the OP’s horses and these foolish children (assuming she had help in demolishing the fence).
It’s sad that the police don’t take these matters more seriously, that they have to wait until a horse is loose in the road and hit by a car, or a child is in a coma with a head injury, or a horse has died. Sad that parents don’t take their job seriously enough to teach their kids right from wrong and to be involved in the child rearing process. Sad that the OP has to deal with this.
Have we all forgotten the horrifying story about the horse that had her tail set on fire by teen aged girls that had nothing better to do and no adult supervision?
My horses are more important to me than someone else’s kid. If that makes me a monster…so be it.
I certainly did NOT suggest be nice. Quite the contrary. I’d get the police, CPS, whoever all over her smart-mouthed little butt. I wouldn’t have been nice the FIRST time. I’m not nice…other people’s unsupervised kids are NOT. MY. PROBLEM.
Here here.
OP: Here is what you do:
- Grab bigger stick than kid has
- Run madly screaming and screeching across the pasture
- Chase little brat into the booby trap cage you have pre-set-up
- Deliver kid in cage to cops.
:lol:
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Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of whether or not the OP is friendly with her neighbors, that doesn’t mean someone has the right to go on THEIR property, upset THEIR horses, and then take down THEIR fence. Even if someone is the biggest b**** in the world, their property/possessions are not fair game for anyone just because they are mean.
I think the most concerning part IMO, is that the girl came back and took down the fence. This was a premeditated act, and the fact that someone is so intent on payback (in the girls mind) is frightening. It shows that she put a lot of thought and effort into trying to hurt you and your property. I would not want some wayward kid sitting around trying to dream up different ways to hurt me:(
I agree with documenting as best you can, photos, video if possible, and writing down all dates/times/details of the incidents. I also agree with the poster who said NOT to escort the kid home. It would be really easy for her to start making accusations about you, and it would be a he said/she said situation, which is never good.
Good luck on Monday!! 
“the fact that someone is so intent on payback (in the girls mind) is frightening”
The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening. Child abuse is a major problem all over the world. On Monday when everything is open I will learn more about if the threats which have been posted against this child are actionable
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Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice, since you posted this on the eventing forum…
“Maybe you did not notice my perfect solution to the problem on the previous page. Here it is again:
Have a rule that if you say something crappy about someone you need to post your home phone # and address.
Think about it.”
FYI…“facinated” is not a ‘she’ but rather a ‘professional’ in northern VA.""
I suggested a likely alternative to the idea that the child is soo bad. The first word in the sentence is “or”.
You do that :lol:. Let us know what the “authorities” say about taking an imp by the ear and marching her down to the nearest cop shop and holding her accountable for her vandalism.
Old bat that I am, I raised a difficult son by myself and he turned into a reasonable adult. What I see here and frequently is parents want to give their children wonderful childhoods. That is all well and good except that the more important issue is that childhood is training ground for adulthood. Advance this kids age by a decade and tell me that this behavior is acceptable. We are sseing what is ahppening to our society as the result of feel good parenting.
All of us here know that bad behavior by a young horse needs to be corrected swiftly and clearly. Why would we expect children to be any different?
As usual, this thread has degenerated into the usual ‘Experiential’ bickering.
One side sympathetic, and one side not. And the two sides accuse eachother of being:
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Mean old witch
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Irresponsible parent sympathizers
Then there’s the inevitable discussion of the good old days when children behaved for fear of a ‘whuppin’’ and all was well with the world.
Some of the advice IS vengeful, vindictive - and also ridiculous. You’d wind up in court with a lawsuit shoved up your butt faster than you can say, ‘Irresponsible parent’. The parents who have no way of controlling their child will suddenly become very competent when it comes to lawyering up.
This idea that children have SUDDENLY become irreverent and uncooperative due to the influences of modern society is nonsense. Children has always misbehaved, mouthed off, wandered into pastures, etc.
And…people here very, very often react with the ‘hold their feet in the fire’ response to requests for advice. Which is also ridiculous.
The fact is, that this isn’t ‘vandalism’ or ‘harrassment’. To suggest this is absurd. The child walked thru the field waving a stick, and mouthed off, and wandered back later.
This is hardly vandalism or harrassment and the police will laugh their asses off at you if you go about it that way.
Too, if you talk to them without talking to the parents first, their first reaction will be to shrug and say, ‘Why don’t you ask the parents to keep her off your property?’
They will also most likely lecture YOU that this isn’t a police matter, suggest you have inadequate fences and an ‘attractive nuisance’ (a swimming pool and other items are referred to thus) and that YOU need to take some responsibility to make your property more secure, not put your horses out when you’re not at home, what’dya expect, etc.
Fair? No. Realistic? A tad more than the prev stuff.
talk to your lawyer and come up with a realistic plan. know the laws in your state. know your rights. neither the wicked witch of the cotswolds NOR the ‘talk to her mommy and daddy’ approach is really going to keep you out of trouble in this one.
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Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.[/QUOTE]
The OP said that she asked her neighbors and they do not know the girl. Besides, who says you have to know your neighbors in this country? We live in a very rural area and I have no idea what my neighbors names are. I NEVER see them. I guess I am a stuffy old bat.
“Advance this kids age by a decade and tell me that this behavior is acceptable”
My objection here is to the attitude, and ideas that are being suggested by adults, to harm, and scare a child.
The “wicked witch of the cotswald” has said that she has no intention of doing any of those horrible things to the child. The people who would do such things should not be supported in any public forum, especialy one involving the increasingly problematic public perception of animal abuse that we have in the horse world.
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“Advance this kids age by a decade and tell me that this behavior is acceptable”
My objection here is to the attitude, and ideas that are being suggested by adults, to harm, and scare a child.
The “wicked witch of the cotswald” has said that she has no intention of doing any of those horrible things to the child. The people who would do such things should not be supported in any public forum, especialy one involving the increasingly problematic public perception of animal abuse that we have in the horse world.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think anyone here has suggested actually seriously hurting the child. But disciplining her. Discipline is not harm to a child. I see nothing wrong with scaring a child either depending on the circumstances. It is good to have a healthy fear of some things. Especially something that could run you over or kick you in the head if it wanted.
