Child in my pasture- WWYD?

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=JSWiley;3374450]
I don’t think anyone here has suggested actually seriously hurting the child. But disciplining her. Discipline is not harm to a child. I see nothing wrong with scaring a child either depending on the circumstances. It is good to have a healthy fear of some things. Especially something that could run you over or kick you in the head if it wanted.[/QUOTE]

No kidding, like shooting her with a paintball gun or SSS was SERIOUSLY suggested?
Facinated, relax.
“My objection here is to the attitude, and ideas that are being suggested by adults, to harm, and scare a child.
The “wicked witch of the cotswald” has said that she has no intention of doing any of those horrible things to the child. The people who would do such things should not be supported in any public forum, especialy one involving the increasingly problematic public perception of animal abuse that we have in the horse world.”

BTW, the Wicked Witch was framed. Think about it.

[Cita]

[QUOTE=kookicat;3373097]

I moved the horses from the pasture they where in to one closer to the house. Glad I did because when I went back to the first pasture, all (Every. Single. Post. GRRRR) of my electirc fencing is down. I think she had help to do it, because there’s a lot of posts. I’m going to have to cancel my plans for tomorrow to put them all back up. :mad::mad::mad:

…

I was talking to my lovely next door farmer too, and he thinks she’s been messing with his cows too. [/QUOTE]

@slc2;3374436

The fact is, that this isn’t ‘vandalism’ or ‘harrassment’. To suggest this is absurd. The child walked thru the field waving a stick, and mouthed off, and wandered back later.

This is hardly vandalism or harrassment and the police will laugh their asses off at you if you go about it that way.

You missed the post where the electric fence and posts had been torn down? Quoted above for your convenience.

[Thomas_1]

Instead of just escorting her off the premises next time, talk to her and get her to tell you her name and where she lives and her phone number and so you can call her parents and get them to come and collect her and escort her home.

Make it clear that next time its the police.

[hitchinmygetalong]

[QUOTE=facinated;3374442]
“Advance this kids age by a decade and tell me that this behavior is acceptable”

My objection here is to the attitude, and ideas that are being suggested by adults, to harm, and scare a child.
The “wicked witch of the cotswald” has said that she has no intention of doing any of those horrible things to the child. The people who would do such things should not be supported in any public forum, especialy one involving the increasingly problematic public perception of animal abuse that we have in the horse world.[/QUOTE]

Well, then, how about this “solution” (which is not usable at this point in time, but may suit facinated’s (sic) parameters of “be nice”:

Approach the trespasser. Tell her she must know how to handle horses very well to have made it into the field (bait her with flattery). Very conversationally ask name. Where she lives. Then tell her, very quietly so she must absolutely listen, that she is breaking the law by coming on the property uninvited. That she must leave and not come back - ever. And that if so much as a blade of grass is harmed on the property - ever - the child will be the PRIME suspect, and the landowner knows who she is, where she lives, and landowner has a friend in the police department.

See? No one is “harming” this kid. But she hopefully got the message.

At this point, I think the OP has the situation well in hand, is protecting her horses, and hopefully there are some nice but somewhat confused parents somewhere that will be learning shortly what their daughter does on her long “walks” that she takes every day.

Good luck, kookicat!

[Kaeleer]

[QUOTE=facinated;3373915]
Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.[/QUOTE]

I beg your pardon? Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? I don’t care if Kookicat is an intimate acquaintance of the Moors murderers, all we have to go on here is the content of her posts.

Are you suggesting that this child’s behaviour is excusable? Are you suggesting that, if it is true that Kookicat is a “stuffy old bat”, this child has reason to chase her horses and tear down her fencing?

It would seem to me that that is what you are saying? If that is so, I feel quite safe making you the first person to go on my “ignore” list, due to your utterly twisted definition of morality.

[Kaeleer]

Sorry for the double post.

Kookicat, I’m sorry that you’re now on the receiving end of some child’s poor upbringing. I second Thomas1’s suggestion that you ascertain who she is and where she lives. If she is not willing to tell you, then I suggest that you take a photograph of her and tell her that you will be giving it to the Police in order for them to question her, and in order to warn the neighbours about her behaviour.

This child needs a reality check. If she does not receive it, she will probably go on to worse things and, for her sake as much as for the sake of your horses and yourself, it is best that she learns now that poor behaviour has consequences and that other peoples’ boundaries are to be respected.

Best of luck tomorrow.

[Ghazzu]

@facinated;3374403

The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening. Child abuse is a major problem all over the world. On Monday when everything is open I will learn more about if the threats which have been posted against this child are actionable

Get over yourself.

[JanM]

I wonder if this child suddenly appeared because she was in serious trouble where her parents live and she was shipped off to some relative to get her out of the area before legal action was taken? This is a very common scenario among people who don’t want to have their child face the reality of things they’ve done wrong and have someone in the family that is willing to have them visit for a while–relocating the original problem. I truly believe that this isn’t her first vandalism or trespassing offense. Kookicat I really hope that this gets resolved quickly for everyone’s sake.

I imagine I’m known as the neighborhood witch since none of the neighborhood kids are allowed on my property-my insurance agent has advised me that if anyone is injured on my property that they will probably win a decent settlement-and the parents don’t have to sue the insurance companies do it for them. And that’s a big reason I only hire adults with insurance and a business license to do anything on my property-too bad for the kid up the street that wants to mow my lawn, but I can’t take a chance he’ll get hurt.

To illustrate how crazy the insurance/injury situation is: A friend has a brother that’s a lawyer who lives in an area with 3 acre plots-his little dachshunds barked at passing dogs-and the large dogs pulled the owner off her feet and broke her arm (she was on the public street)-in spite of the fact that these animals always were dragging the woman down the street and frequently pulled her down she was awarded $30,000 for her injury. The brother has now moved to a much larger place much further from the road.

[Bluey]

—“Quote:
Originally Posted by facinated
The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening. Child abuse is a major problem all over the world. On Monday when everything is open I will learn more about if the threats which have been posted against this child are actionable”—

When you find yourself in a deep hole, it is smart to quit digging, really. :no:

That kid is breaking all kinds of laws and with intent.:eek:
Not the kind of kid you want to stand behind, but the kind you hope someone stops before it gets in serious trouble and hurts others in the process.

What if the horses had been in that pasture, had gotten out when that kid took the fence down and killed someone driving by, or any other scenario you may think up from that kids’s vengeful actions?

[MSUteamrider]

Facinated needs a reality check. Not only are none of the posts here actionable, but your immediate reaction to protect someone that is clearly being a snotty brat and has ESCALATED her behavior from dangerous to criminal is shocking. I know some kids that would like a pony ride - would you give them one if they come and chase your horses and then tear down your fencing? What kind of extra goodies would they get if they managed to chase one of your horses through a fence?

The OP should immediately go to the police. The little brat has already made it clear that she’s willing to retaliate. If I were the OP, I would grab her the next time I see her in my pasture and march her into the house and call the cops. Then I would wait in front of my house - still holding onto the little brat - until the cops came to escort her home.

Or if the cops will respond fast enough, and the horses are not in any true danger, just call them, and let them catch her in the act.

And it doesn’t matter if the OP is the nastiest woman on the block - that NEVER gives someone the right to trespass, vandalize property, and mess with livestock.

And all of Facinated’s whining about “the poor child, the poooorr wittle chhiiillllddd” - give me a break. That sentiment is exactly what is wrong with children: their parents think just because they’re young, they don’t have to be responsible for ANYTHING. Children don’t get to hide behind their age when they have no respect and then PREMEDITATE REVENGE. Sounds like this brat needs a good ass whopping to nip the problem in the bud and scare some sense - or at least fear - into her.

[Equibrit]

It’s pretty clear that “facinated” is a brick shy of a load.
Poor wittle thing’s elevator doesn’t go to the top.

[harvestmoon]

[QUOTE=Equibrit;3374641]
It’s pretty clear that “facinated” is a brick shy of a load.
Poor wittle thing’s elevator doesn’t go to the top.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[harvestmoon]

[QUOTE=facinated;3374403]
“the fact that someone is so intent on payback (in the girls mind) is frightening”
The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening. Child abuse is a major problem all over the world. On Monday when everything is open I will learn more about if the threats which have been posted against this child are actionable[/QUOTE]

I’m sure everyone is shaking in their boots. I know I am…from laughing so hard.

[system]

Can we all just get along?

“English horsewoman is an anti social individual”

Hey! I resemble that remark!

Actually, being a mere 42 years from being that age, I can tell you a visit by the police will do a whole lot more to keep this kid out of your pastures than anything the OP could say to her. Don’t ramp up the hostilities…remember that teenagers are at a very hormonal-driven time of life, and don’t react at all sensible. Behaving emotionally to her behavior is a BIG PLUS for her.

That is why she likes running the horses around…they are AFRAID, and face it…horses are drama royalty when it comes to showing their emotions, yes?

Just deal with it through the police, through a lawyer…

[Ambrey]

@facinated;3374403

“the fact that someone is so intent on payback (in the girls mind) is frightening”
The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening.

I don’t know what fascinated’s deal is either, but I do admit that it bothers me when people make comments about abusing kids, even bad kids. There were just a few posts here that bothered me a bit (but not the electric fence or chasing her off- the fence isn’t lethal, and would definitely teach a lesson!).

That doesn’t change the fact that OP needs to find some way to keep this kid off her property to protect herself, her horses, and her fences! This kid does frighten me- just because she’s a kid doesn’t mean she isn’t capable of intense anger and acting on that anger.

[Equibrit]

There are things like this http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/263787.html
going on in England.

The OP is right to take any action she needs to.

[seeuatx]

[QUOTE=Equibrit;3374680]
There are things like this http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/263787.html
going on in England.

The OP is right to take any action she needs to.[/QUOTE]

And that’s not the only one

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/article.php?aid=263139

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/article.php?aid=263706

If it had not been for the destructive tendencies of the pre/teen in question, I would have supported being nice, possibly inviting her over, etc… But the fact is that she put the OP’s horses in great danger (both by chasing them, and then destroying the fence), and then she cussed out the OP when escorted off the property. I fully support getting this girls info and doing whatever you have to. The OP needs to protect herself and her horses first. She can worry about the kid’s fragile psyche (:rolleyes:) later.

[facinated]

[QUOTE=Bluey;3374581]
—“Quote:
Originally Posted by facinated
The fact that so many people have come up with so many ways to hurt and scare a child is what is frightening. Child abuse is a major problem all over the world. On Monday when everything is open I will learn more about if the threats which have been posted against this child are actionable”—

When you find yourself in a deep hole, it is smart to quit digging, really. :no:

That kid is breaking all kinds of laws and with intent.:eek:
Not the kind of kid you want to stand behind, but the kind you hope someone stops before it gets in serious trouble and hurts others in the process.

What if the horses had been in that pasture, had gotten out when that kid took the fence down and killed someone driving by, or any other scenario you may think up from that kids’s vengeful actions?:([/QUOTE]
If the kid is doing what kookikat says she is doing, then she is breaking laws. There is a right way to proceed. It does not involve shooting the child, chasing her with sticks into a trap, physicaly restraining her by the ear or any other body part. People do these kinds of things to children every day, at every level of society. When they get caught they say “I was only kidding” .
As far as taking the fence down, I believe the OP found the fence down and assumed that the kid did it. Around here when a whole line of electric fence comes down, posts and all it is usualy the work of deer, cattle or horses.
As far as knowing your neighbors is concerned, I am used to hunt country. It is a courtesy to know the names of the landowners, and their employees.
I am also pleased to hear that “actionable” is a word I thought I made it up.

[Rienzi]

This child should be scared. Needs to be scared. She needs to be frightened enough to wake up! On her course, she is going to hurt others, and ultimately, herself.

In a few years, this child will be driving a car. Yes, we will be sharing the road with her. Wonderful image, that! She is old enough to take some responsibility for her own actions.

I am disappointed that the police are not taking this more seriously. Maybe you should keep calling the station back until you get someone who is more horse-savvy. Maybe go to the station in person, with pictures in hand.

Best of luck to you… and to her.

[kookicat]

@facinated;3373915

Or we have a stuffy old bat who can’t be bothered to get to know her neighbors, and may well be the Wicked Witch of the Cotswald. It is a much better bet that an English horsewoman is an anti social individual, than it is that a little girl is a sociopath.

Aww, hon. I didn’t know you cared.

Wow, 24 is old now? Bummer

Cotswald? I’m not sure where that is, but I’ve driven through the Cotswolds a few times. Don’t live there though.