Good article about CC and Taylor Made:
https://sidfernando.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/taylor-made-gamble-pays-off-big/
What happened this past weekend to downgrade Chrome’s status as highest money earner? HRRN (Steve Byk) reporting that with his win in World Cup it has made his standing possible to become the highest money earner.
It has been advertised for weeks and weeks that in the event Chrome won, he WOULD become such.
Is the verdict still out?
greenleaf, the above article mentions CC as the top money earner in North America. Maybe the other reports are meaning “richest in the world”. I don’t know, it’s just a thought.
What happened this past weekend to downgrade Chrome’s status as highest money earner?
T.M Opera O (from Japan) had $16.2 million in career winnings, and is the overall highest money earner in the world. Deep Impact (also from Japan) earned $12.8 million, which I think is also ahead of Chrome. Chrome is now, however, the highest money earner from North America, taking over from Curlin.
I thought Chrome was but when I heard what Steve said about highest money earner it threw me off. Thanks. I haven’t read the article yet.
Steve was speaking earlier to Jon Wite (is it?) and I don’t recall the entire list of North America but they didn’t mention Curlin nor Chrome. Zenyatta was no. five. Then again, they could have been speaking of highest monies earned at Santa Anita. On Saturdays only. . . . . I don’t know.
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What happened this past weekend to downgrade Chrome’s status as highest money earner? HRRN (Steve Byk) reporting that with his win in World Cup it has made his standing possible to become the highest money earner.
It has been advertised for weeks and weeks that in the event Chrome won, he WOULD become such.
Is the verdict still out?[/QUOTE]
California Chrome is the leading money-earning North American runner, surpassing Curlin, who passed Cigar. Japanese horses race for huge purses compared to the rest of the world, and not surprisingly the leading earners worldwide are Japanese runners.
Here’s a listing from Wikipedia, which needs to be updated to reflect Chrome’s current earnings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leading_Thoroughbred_racehorses
Horses that have won more than $10 million[edit]
Deep Impact
Orfevre (Japan) 1,576,213,000 yen (USD $19,005,276)[132]
Buena Vista (Japan) 1,478,869,700 yen (USD $17,018,548)
T M Opera O (Japan) 1,835,189,000 yen (USD$16,200,337)
Gentildonna (Japan) JPY 1,030,758,000 (USD$15,978,745)[133][134]
Vodka 1,333,565,800 JPY (US$13,147,826)
Victoire Pisa $12,891,734 [135]
Deep Impact (Japan) 1,454,551,000 yen (USD$12,825,285)
Gold Ship (Japan) 1,397,767,000 yen (USD$12,345,581)
Vermilion (Japan) 1,168,607,500 yen (USD$11,139,125)
Makybe Diva (GB) A$14,526,685 (US$15,526,032). Raced in Australia.[136]
Narita Brian (Japan) 1,026,916,000 yen ($12,026,101 USD)
Symboli Kris S (USA) 984,724,000 JPY ($11,531,995 USD)
Espoir City (JPN) $11,443,812 [137]
Sunline (NZ) A$11,351,607 ($11,412,905 USD)
Curlin (USA) USD$10,501,800[138]
Viva Pataca (GB) HKD$81,297,500 (US$10,438,864.83)
So You Think (NZ) A$10,749,800
And here’s a listing of North American runners, last updated in November, 2015:
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Horse-Racing/top-50-thoroughbred-horses-all-time-leading-money-earners
Is he ever going to get to the breeding shed, or is there something I’m missing?
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That’s why Taylor Made bought him. But especially with American Pharoah going directly to stud, what’s the rush?
Orfevre (Japan) 1,576,213,000 yen (USD $19,005,276)[132]
Buena Vista (Japan) 1,478,869,700 yen (USD $17,018,548)
T M Opera O (Japan) 1,835,189,000 yen (USD$16,200,337)
Gentildonna (Japan) JPY 1,030,758,000 (USD$15,978,745)[133][134]
Vodka 1,333,565,800 JPY (US$13,147,826)
Victoire Pisa $12,891,734 [135]
Deep Impact (Japan) 1,454,551,000 yen (USD$12,825,285)
Gold Ship (Japan) 1,397,767,000 yen (USD$12,345,581)
Vermilion (Japan) 1,168,607,500 yen (USD$11,139,125)
Makybe Diva (GB) A$14,526,685 (US$15,526,032).
Oh look at that, there’s even more than my list 
This is why you don’t trust Forbes’ horse-racing lists.
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That’s why Taylor Made bought him. But especially with American Pharoah going directly to stud, what’s the rush?[/QUOTE]
And I’m wondering what he’ll do at stud… his bloodlines aren’t quite as notable as American Pharoah’s are… could be for Chrome the $$ is at the track and not in the breeding shed. I just don’t know.
American Pharoah and California Chrome aren’t going to be competing for many of the same mares at stud, at least not in the first couple years while they are both unproven. They will be in different price stratospheres until the offspring start performing… then who knows what will happen.
With that said, I just remembered reading about the plans to send Pepper’s Pride to him after her AP foal… but she’s kind of an atypical mare to begin with and aren’t her owners part of the Chrome partnership?
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And here’s a listing of North American runners, last updated in November, 2015:
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Horse-Racing/top-50-thoroughbred-horses-all-time-leading-money-earners[/QUOTE]
I don’t think that list was updated in November of 2015. Maybe November of 2009. American Pharoah isn’t there ($8,650,300). Zenyatta is listed with only 14 starts, not 20. Chrome isn’t on there at all. It’s definitely extremely outdated.
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And I’m wondering what he’ll do at stud… his bloodlines aren’t quite as notable as American Pharoah’s are… could be for Chrome the $$ is at the track and not in the breeding shed. I just don’t know.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t call Pharoah’s notable–he’s the first thing his female family’s produced that’s really outstanding and he’s the best so far of Pioneerof the Nile’s, as he’s a young stallion and Empire Maker was unremarkable and exported (coming back NOW, but…that’s AP.) Both outran their pedigree, but AP did it a lot more impressively. With AP as the big new thing and tons of proven stallions with similar sire lines available, I don’t see the point of rushing any horse who’s still making money off to the breeding shed. The Derby/Preakness double isn’t so valuable with a young, living TC winner AND his sire available. Chrome at least they can say has won on three surfaces and overseas–not going to be competition for AP but there are some three- and four-year-olds that ought to think about staying in racing for a while once he retires.
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American Pharaoh
Smarty Jones
and Zenyatta was no. five
These are the horses Jon White was talking about. Top money earners in North America who raced only in North America. That is why Chrome was NOT mentioned.
I had to listen to the HRRN replay.
If you didn’t read the article that Laurie B posted- which was terrific- this is in there
“If that happens, he will be as unique as American Pharoah was to the breeding community. And his sire and pedigree will take a backseat to his racetrack accomplishments. After all, it didn’t matter to anyone that Cigar’s sire was Palace Music, Dr. Fager’s was Rough’n Tumble, or Holy Bull’s was Great Above at the end of the day.”
Now, obviously we’ll never know with Cigar, but the others did OK, from modest backgrounds. So did Seattle Slew.
I remember how people used to say that Seattle Slew did not have a great bloodline. But he was successful on the track and at stud. (I owned a daughter of Poker out of that bloodline. She did not do great in 3 yrs on the track but she was the best horse I’ve ever owned.)
Sometimes there is just that magical cross of breeding two bloodlines and you get a super horse. The it’s even more amazing if that super horse passes on his talents to his offspring.
We’ll see if Chrome can do it. I’m not a fan of his (and I dislike his owners) but it will be interesting to see what happens. Meanwhile, he continues to win.
“(and I dislike his owners)”
No comment on the above but have to say, imo, Art Sherman is just adorable and lovable. Being an older trainer and seemingly humble guy (besides doing a wonderful job with the horse), I’m so glad for him.
Wonder if they would consider standing him in KY or stick with CA… that, I would guess, might also make a difference in his stud fee…
I tried searching for more dollar amounts on several horses, but in this case Google was not my friend. 
What did Rachel Alexandra earn? Her races were much more notable than a few other horses.
There was another horse running about the time of Pioneer. Black, drop dead gorgeous, placed well a few times, had some time off and then went to steeple chasing. I believe he had some success there. The purses are much lower, but would they count towards a lifetime win record?
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There was another horse running about the time of Pioneer. Black, drop dead gorgeous, placed well a few times, had some time off and then went to steeple chasing. I believe he had some success there. The purses are much lower, but would they count towards a lifetime win record?[/QUOTE]
Think you might be thinking of Mr. Hot Stuff? http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=7710330®istry=T According to Equibase and PQ, he’s made about $408K, lifetime.
