Colvin Civil Suit

[snaffle1987]

I am reading through the hearing right now. To be honest; I think both Betsee and Brigid are lying about certain aspects. I do believe this statement:

So, in the horse world, Dr. Parker pays 'a lot of
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money to her grooms who bring horses all beautiful
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to the show ring, to give lab leg up, to wipes
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her boot down. In that affidavit it says –
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claims that I take them from the barn, take the
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horse and take control, walk them to ring, put my
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daughter on. That is false. I have never –
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I do not believe Brigid was ever responsible for getting those horses to the ring, grooming them, brushing her daughters boots off. Betsee is lying. Andre D is not a groom either. He is a trainer. Andre and his team have an entire entourage of grooms who prepare the horses, braid them, polish their hooves, spit n polish the rider, and hold them at ringside. For Betsee to say Brigid brought the horses to the ring and got them ready, false. For Brigid to say Andre is the groom; false. I’d love to see Andre stand ringside and slap on some hoofpolish, wipe the slobber from the horse’s mouth, and polish Tori’s boots because we know he is way above those standards of work. I believe BC was in the barns helping as needed because it was expected of her by these BNT’s who ARE using her daughter to show their horses and are ABUSING it heavily. that is a guaranteed truth. Was she the one administering the drugs? Not so sure but yes, she knew about it and gave some pretty detail orientated statements about the drugs. The crew behind these horses and those involved with them are thoroughly aware of what is getting administer, how much, and what specific concoction each horse needs to win. The biggest fault BC made was stating she was the trainer in the drug tent if she was not the one to sign on the entry form. My question arises that if she was specifically ordered not to be near the horses; then why on earth was she the one holding it in the drug tent???

[bjd2013]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8302375]
My original comment was about the boarding, training, and showing costs that Betsee Parker supposed underwrites 100% (not sure if its all paid for or not).

If the Colvin’s were to sever ties with Betsee Parker and go to Heritage would she necessarily get all that free stuff with Andre?[/QUOTE]

No, because Andre has a lot of other girls who ride just as well, that pay. He doesn’t need to fund someone to produce results.

[Mardi]

@ynl063w;8302079

And I stand by my previous post: show me any teenager who has EVER stood up to ANY trainer and insisted she will not ride a horse that is drugged.

Or…show me a teenager who tells her mother and others how the jumps are to be set in her warm up. As the transcript clearly stated, no one trains TC at a show because she’s so “gifted”.

TC isn’t an average teenager, and she’s certainly displayed the wherewithall to be able to decline showing drugged horses (if she wanted to).

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=bjd2013;8302382]
No, because Andre has a lot of other girls who ride just as well, that pay. He doesn’t need to fund someone to produce results.[/QUOTE]

That’s what I suspected. So that likely explains why the Colvins would put up with as much as they did. Where else would Tori get such a “deal”???

[bjd2013]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8302391]
That’s what I suspected. So that likely explains why the Colvins would put up with as much as they did. Where else would Tori get such a “deal”???[/QUOTE]

I’m sure there’s a ton of people who would provide Tori with horses to ride, but probably not the “deal” she has with Betsee.

It’s funny to read the transcript because it’s sounds like Brigid thinks she’s being used for her daughter, but the other people think they’re being used and done wrong by the Colvins because they do so much for Tori.

Anyone know who the “trainer” is at HITS? I don’t know who would want to sign that entry form!

[snaffle1987]

As far as Steve Rivetts goes; nothing like coming right out there and stating that you have no clue what GABA or Carolina Gold is directly in your opening statement. if that doesn’t scream guilty, I don’t know what does.

These people are just nuts.

[LJD]

For those arguing that Tori is basically a professional and an adult, keep in mind that most neuroscientists agree that brain development continues until the age of 25, if not 30. The last part of the brain to develop is the part that regulates impulse control (i.e., gratification), decision making, and planning. We shouldn’t expect that teenagers, or even young adults, make the best, or right, decisions.

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=snaffle1987;8302423]
As far as Steve Rivetts goes; nothing like coming right out there and stating that you have no clue what GABA or Carolina Gold is directly in your opening statement. if that doesn’t scream guilty, I don’t know what does.

These people are just nuts.[/QUOTE]

Small correction…

These people are just !@#$%^& nuts.

[Khadiiyo]

Just looked up on the HITS website and Andre is listed as Inclusive and Tori’s trainer for this week

[busylady]

[QUOTE=Khadiiyo;8302435]
Just looked up on the HITS website and Andre is listed as Inclusive and Tori’s trainer for this week[/QUOTE]

WHOA! I bet she doesn’t win.
Also, where did you find that information, I’ve been searching the HITS website and couldn’t find trainer info.

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=LJD;8302425]
For those arguing that Tori is basically a professional and an adult, keep in mind that most neuroscientists agree that brain development continues until the age of 25, if not 30. The last part of the brain to develop is the part that regulates impulse control (i.e., gratification), decision making, and planning. We shouldn’t expect that teenagers, or even young adults, make the best, or right, decisions.[/QUOTE]

Given what it costs per month just to be a PAYING working student at Heritage, it is no surprise then that the Colvin’s stuck with Betsee Parker in spite of what may have gone on behind the scenes with her horses.

How many people at that age would be able to resist?

[Mardi]

@vxf111;8302274

The spellings “gofor” “go-for” or “gopher” are all acceptable in common parlance…

Thank you for the correction. When I read “gopher” in the transcript it was very funny, and I understood that it was a phonetic spelling used by the court reporter (many other phonetic spellings were also used, and some were indiscernible as to their true meaning). As a writer, university English major, and over 35 years in corporate America, I’ve never seen the term spelled as “gopher” by anyone, don’t know anyone that would spell it that way, and didn’t know it even existed, other than the animal. Now I know better. Thank you for the spelling lesson and taking the time to look it up in numerous references !
I stand corrected.

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=busylady;8302439]
WHOA! I bet she doesn’t win.
Also, where did you find that information, I’ve been searching the HITS website and couldn’t find trainer info.[/QUOTE]

I can’t imagine Andre signing his name to any form without being in control of the horse and even more so in this case. He’s not stupid enough to go down with a sinking ship.

Who normally signs as “trainer” for the Heritage horses? I seem to recall a thread somewhere on COTH that said a groom signs?

[snaffle1987]

Didn’t one of Andre’s people get in trouble for similar circumstances months/years back? An unknown groom signing as trainer and the horse tests positive? I cant recall details

Steve R openly admitted to giving horses bute daily too (the older ones). The testers should just follow these people around

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=supernatural;8302194]
On Saturday at Upperville 2015 in the Junior Hunter Ring the drug testers were there. Way Cool did larges and mind you everyone knows drug testers are there at the Junior Hunter Ring. Day before he did two rounds in Handy Hunter scores in high and low 90’s. Rider is 1st and 2nd overall in the 10k class …no testers. Next day in larges Way Cool wild, bolts after last class takes off and still gets 74 . Sunday…no testers at Junior Ring…score Way Cool…100.

I hope all the people sponsoring, media and especially the judges will take a hard look at this. [/QUOTE]

That score created its own tempest. The comments following the COTH article are even more interesting considering what we now know.

http://chronofhorse.com/article/tori-colvin-shows-us-what-100-hunter-score-looks

[snaffle1987]

I’m still reading… Why would Doctor BP tell Steve Rivetts on the morning of the show to “make sure the entry isn’t in your name as trainer?” First of all; who in the heck did the entries? Second, if there is nothing to worry about; why does Steve need to make sure his name isn’t on the entry form as trainer?

[equisusan]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8302261]
I am confident that some intrepid reporter will contact Jeff Morgenstern of Perfect Products to get his reaction to the 9 Tubeapalooza. His formula for winning on their website gets nowhere near 9. More like 3 and a buttload of powders. Of which the USEF should be so proud.[/QUOTE]

#9Tubeapalooza

[ybiaw]

[QUOTE=equisusan;8302487]
#9Tubeapalooza[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Let’s make it trend. I am crying laughing.

[comingback]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8302458]
I can’t imagine Andre signing his name to any form without being in control of the horse and even more so in this case. He’s not stupid enough to go down with a sinking ship.

Who normally signs as “trainer” for the Heritage horses? I seem to recall a thread somewhere on COTH that said a groom signs?[/QUOTE]

Here is a link to the ruling that mentions an agreement the federation reached with regards to the improper execution of entry blanks. https://www.usef.org/documents/rules/HearingCommittee/2013/OctoberRulings.pdf

The irony is SS is in that month’s ruling too

[busylady]

[QUOTE=snaffle1987;8302481]
I’m still reading… Why would Doctor BP tell Steve Rivetts on the morning of the show to “make sure the entry isn’t in your name as trainer?” First of all; who in the heck did the entries? Second, if there is nothing to worry about; why does Steve need to make sure his name isn’t on the entry form as trainer?[/QUOTE]

Keep reading, they had plenty to worry about (or so SS allegedly made them believe). Apparently BC has a syringe full of Carolina Gold up her sleeve at all times ready to stick any horse that so much as flinches at a fly.