I found the last paragraph of the press release to be particularly interesting
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USEF members are encouraged to be aware of what they might be administering to their horse. ‘Calming’ supplements, intended to alter behavior, should be regarded with a high degree of scrutiny when fed to competition horses. It is important for members to understand that the names of substances included on ingredient lists may not always be easily associated with published forbidden substances. [/QUOTE]
Wow, USEF. Way to be wishy-washy.
Rules say anything given for the express purpose of enhancing performance (calming for hunters) are prohibited.
Above says you need to scrutinize something that says it’s for calming for forbidden substances. Assumption: If no forbidden substances, use is allowed
So what USEF is saying is : Don’t use calmers, but it’s okay if there are no fobidden substances.
That’s super clear. Maybe why we have 9 tubes of crap being shoved down our top horse’s gullets. Hey…they are prohibited, but, then again, they aren’t.
The way I read the last paragraph was that USEF was warning competitors that substances may be a derivative and/or be metabolized into a banned substance. I agree with the above posters though. USEF always seems to go back and forth on the interpretation of the rules…I always interpreted as giving any substance with the intent to alter behavior as being against the rules. Perhaps we will give the USEF the benefit of the doubt and assume they are referring to substances that may be given to competition horses while not at a competition but could test if not removed prior?..I know, I don’t buy it either. :lol: Le sigh
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I found the last paragraph of the press release to be particularly interesting[/QUOTE]
Poor choice of words on USEF’s part to add in that one little clause.
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If I had the money she does and then found that all the nice horses, best trainers, best riders that I could buy did not result in meeting the judging standards, I’d start campaigning for more realistic judging standards that sober, probably very pricey but still SOBER, horses could meet.
It will take the people with money who fund the sport insisting on change before change will happen. Or an animal welfare organization publicizing the issues and threatening the continuation of the sport. Small-time folks like us complaining won’t change a thing, we don’t have enough money or leverage to matter to those at the top. And the people at the top don’t seem to care enough, they just lie, cheat and drug away…[/QUOTE]
Word! I didn’t grow up with money and couldn’t even fathom having a fancy hunter. I used to sit in the bleachers as a little girl wondering who these privileged children were riding these fancy ponies.
Now that I can afford a six figure horses, why do I want to waste my money? I am rich but not as rich as BP. Doesn’t matter how much I spend, I will still have to cheat to win. No thanks - I would rather save myself a boatload of money and compete in the jumpers. I was planning on buying my daughter a fancy hunter pony once she turns 5, but forget it now. She can do pony jumpers like they do in Europe.
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It was the trainer and R judge who admitted to it, and what was striking was the ease at which he did so despite the fact that Moroney’s line of questioning was very clearly intended to encourage Rivetts to incriminate himself in the matter of administering a substance with the intent to alter performance.
Again, this isn’t just some random barn manager, this is a big-R licensed official who should totally know that such activity is against the rules whether or not it tests. And he thinks nothing of telling the president of his association that he does so.
The sanction is not for administration of Perfect Prep (hat tip also to the person who added up the cost of all those tubes), but I feel certain those answers played a role in the determination of what and whether the sanction would be, if only to confirm that this dude is part of the general problem.[/QUOTE]
This^^
Perhaps USEF is disinclined to name the product of a prominent sponsor of horse shows as forbidden, so remains as ambiguous in its language as always.
Interesting that they did seem to call out one specific product though…
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Word! I didn’t grow up with money and couldn’t even fathom having a fancy hunter. I used to sit in the bleachers as a little girl wondering who these privileged children were riding these fancy ponies.
Now that I can afford a six figure horses, why do I want to waste my money? I am rich but not as rich as BP. Doesn’t matter how much I spend, I will still have to cheat to win. No thanks - I would rather save myself a boatload of money and compete in the jumpers. I was planning on buying my daughter a fancy hunter pony once she turns 5, but forget it now. She can do pony jumpers like they do in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
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Who splits a class of 15? I may be misreading, but the rulebook seems to say that a class smaller than 30 cannot be divided.[/QUOTE]
The class must be split at 49 entries. It takes 3 entries to fill a hunter division. Between that, they can get split however they want.
Upperville
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The class must be split at 49 entries. It takes 3 entries to fill a hunter division. Between that, they can get split however they want.[/QUOTE]
Please read HU 111.4. Talks about how Junior Divisions are to be run…there were 6 youngers… At least 9 olders…this is Premier show. Under usef regs…there should have never been California Split…all ages combined and NO…management did or should not have done California split. The divisions younger and older larges should have been run as such as at the start of the large juniors there were at least 6 in each age group. Yes…the results…running this as a California Split greatly skewed results.
If only my internet service would have worked in this area…
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Now that I can afford a six figure horses, why do I want to waste my money? I am rich but not as rich as BP. Doesn’t matter how much I spend, I will still have to cheat to win. [/QUOTE]
People have been saying this for years and for the same number of years it has not been true. If you as rich as you say you are, you can find a horse that doesn’t need to be drugged.
And once again, I think there are a lot people who give the Perfect Prep, or the #9tubealooza because they think it works, not because they know it works. I mean, 9 tubes? Seriously???
Supernatural: I’m awarding you…the ellipses prize…I used to be the owner…as I am super fond of a good pause, be it in comma or ellipses form…but you’ve definitely earned it. 
FWIW: loved Molly Sorge’s blog on this situation. http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/sunshine-false-fairytales-calming
Midge I love you
And if you are as rich as you say you are you don’t need to be bragging about it on a public forum
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And once again, I think there are a lot people who give the Perfect Prep, or the #9tubealooza because they think it works, not because they know it works. I mean, 9 tubes? Seriously???[/QUOTE]
But 9 doses is an awful lot on a whim. IF someone wants to pony up the $180 dollars (heck, I’ll give it a try and let you know if I can feel a change. I’ve got a horse that’s coming back to work that I would be willing to try a little sumthin, sumthin on.
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Supernatural: I’m awarding you…the ellipses prize…I used to be the owner…as I am super fond of a good pause, be it in comma or ellipses form…but you’ve definitely earned it. :D[/QUOTE]
My personal favorite punctuation mark is the semi-colon; I probably use it far more often than necessary (or properly), so this post made me laugh.
There are a lot of us who do NOT drug our horses. You might find that hard to believe but it is very true. I should add…we win a LOT too. I don’t know about other areas but there are many great horsepeople in Virginia. Some of us have been around a long time …we used to ride TB’s . Good lord…most warmbloods don’t want to go forward. I cant imagine drugging one and having to work that hard. While there are definitely the drugging cheaters out there, truly there Are many good horse people that are not resorting to these methods.
Sorry…can’t help myself dot dot dot, I’m addicted to dots!
These druggers are lazy, don’t want to do the work a good program requires and have gotten themselves in a “drugging habit”. I have knowledge people that could NOT get on a horse unless they drugged it. Sometimes, I think its more for the person than the horse!!!
Regardless, its a real problem…whether 9 tubes of pppalllooza or Carolina Gold, 30 pills of Melatonin, roofies or whatever. It’s all out there and the horses don’t need it.
Ok…see Im so challenged my addition did not show up…crap…Dot, dot, dot, sorry guys can’t help myself. OCD kicking in…dot dot dot
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There are a lot of us who do NOT drug our horses. You might find that hard to believe but it is very true. I should add…we win a LOT too. I don’t know about other areas but there are many great horsepeople in Virginia. Some of us have been around a long time …we used to ride TB’s . Good lord…most warmbloods don’t want to go forward. I cant imagine drugging one and having to work that hard. While there are definitely the drugging cheaters out there, truly there Are many good horse people that are not resorting to these methods.
Sorry…can’t help myself dot dot dot, I’m addicted to dots!
These druggers are lazy, don’t want to do the work a good program requires and have gotten themselves in a “drugging habit”. I have knowledge people that could NOT get on a horse unless they drugged it. Sometimes, I think its more for the person than the horse!!!
Regardless, its a real problem…whether 9 tubes of pppalllooza or Carolina Gold, 30 pills of Melatonin, roofies or whatever. It’s all out there and the horses don’t need it.[/QUOTE]
Beautiful… particularly the part about riding TBs and then wondering why anyone has to drug a warmblood and then hump and grind to make it go. LOL
I need a little blood in my horse so I don’t have to work my old ass too hard. I also agree that lots of people are doing well without drugging.
And I’m SO rich that I bought a fancy Hunter and I don’t care if she wins as long as I have fun. Ha ha ha. <joke>
Great new Op-Ed by Molly on the main COTH site.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/sunshine-false-fairytales-calming
