[QUOTE=RugBug;8300715]
Im also so very curious about the content of Tori’s text that got all BP’s horses kicked out of SS’s barn. That’s a doozy of a text for him to Willingly lose so many winners.[/QUOTE]
I took this to mean that Brigid was still in Europe, and she and Tori exchanged texts about the situation, not that Tori sent a text that caused the situation. I may be wrong!
Also IMHO in taking depositions/trying cases the truth often comes out much more clearly than a lie, even a well coached lie. And lies that aren’t well coached-- often come out as a real mis-mash.
Even accepting each person’s story at face value-- neither one makes complete sense. Truly. So… that seems problematic to me…
I wonder what USEF is going to do more broadly, if anything. They conclude in their finding that PP was given as a calming agent. Are they going to keep standing by the absurd contradiction that even though PP is a calming agent and would seem to violate the rules-- it’s some special exception? And plenty of talk of SS using GABA on horses-- are they going to actually investigate that separately?
That’s one big mess!
Isn’t anyone else now curious as to why all of Tori’s Jr Hunters will be retired after she ages out?
[QUOTE=vxf111;8300738]
Also IMHO in taking depositions/trying cases the truth often comes out much more clearly than a lie, even a well coached lie. And lies that aren’t well coached-- often come out as a real mis-mash.[/QUOTE]
“O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!”
[QUOTE=Anne;8300734]
I took this to mean that Brigid was still in Europe, and she and Tori exchanged texts about the situation, not that Tori sent a text that caused the situation. I may be wrong![/QUOTE]
As I understood it, while BC was in Europe, there was a discussion between SS and BP that resulted in the horses being moved. BC and VC were texting back and forth about the situation while BC was still overseas. I did not understand VC to be a direct cause of the horses moving nor even directly part of the discussion. Something happened between BC and SS. VC then learned about it and told BC.
I’ll tell you one thing that is neither here nor there but struck me as weird from the time I first read it years ago.
Way Cool. Super nice horse. Originally with SS. After BP purchased him, at some point she switched him to another pro. I recall a COTH article about how she tried a series of pros and no one could get him to perform well. They even tried natural horsemanship! And then she gave in and sent him back to SS for VC to ride. And magically he was back to his winning ways. In the article BP attributed this to VC’s connection with the horse. SS didn’t ride the horse anymore. Only VC. Even in the pro classes.
I think VC is very talented and that SS is as well. But reading that article–I could NOT get over the fact that ONLY those two could get the horse to perform. I think Hunt Tosh was tried along the way, IIRC, and he’s no slouch. No one else, of all those trainers, could unlock the riding secret? No one was as good of a rider? Really? What was the magic of the VC/SS combination? I had my suspicions at the time. I feel like they’ve been confirmed. 
[QUOTE=Blinky;8300744]
That’s one big mess!
Isn’t anyone else now curious as to why all of Tori’s Jr Hunters will be retired after she ages out?[/QUOTE]
Not really. That’s been the plan for quite awhile from what I’ve read. And really what else do any of those hunters have left to prove? They’ve won everything under the sun.
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8300730]
lol. I already said exactly that.[/QUOTE]
I just meant that, unless my sarcasm detector is broken, I think the people on this thread that called her “the good doctor” etc. also realize she has no medical degree, and meant it in a snarky sense rather than as a term of respect.
[QUOTE=Sticky Situation;8300762]
I just meant that, unless my sarcasm detector is broken, I think the people on this thread that called her “the good doctor” etc. also realize she has no medical degree, and meant it in a snarky sense rather than as a term of respect.[/QUOTE]
oh, you mean like this level of sarcasm?
http://www.magpictures.com/thegooddoctor/
:lol:
i found two things pretty striking.
the horse was lunged, ridden twice, given lactinase and Perfect Prep, and then apparently a shot of Carolina Gold all before it showed. wow.
page 69, Foreman makes the obvious statement whoever is in charge of the horse’s care is the trainer, regardless of what it says on the entry form. Rivetts clearly defined his role in his own words as the horse’s caretaker, aka trainer. it seems suspect that they were trying so hard to get Rivetts name off the entry blank for that show when he clearly was the trainer.
either way, it’s really a sad insider view of the sport. along with the other stories going on now, it’s all just gross and i have little faith in any pros.
[QUOTE=staceymc;8300761]
Not really. That’s been the plan for quite awhile from what I’ve read. And really what else do any of those hunters have left to prove? They’ve won everything under the sun.[/QUOTE]
Give their veins a break from all the “drug testing”
[QUOTE=Anne;8300734]
I took this to mean that Brigid was still in Europe, and she and Tori exchanged texts about the situation, not that Tori sent a text that caused the situation. I may be wrong![/QUOTE]
Hrmmm. I believe it said that Tori texted Ken because the hors ewasnt jumping well and had some plan of action that was. Ot well received. bC said Tori felt the horse as jumping up and not around the jump. Lots of things to be curious about there.
Vxf: I hear you, I just can’t agree. Rivetts and BP have a
lot to gain by pinning it all n BC and really nothing to lose. Rivetts statement is full of holes. The GABA, the giving injections, even leaving BC with the horse makes no sense if you been chasing her away, have hired folks to keep her away, have been told to not let her near the horse,etc. If those things are true, Rivetts should have been fired immediately…or at the very least as soon as they got the positive result and the fact that he wasn’t speaks volumes. BP and Rivetts have crafted a story that is mostly believable.
I find BC more believable because while confusing, she didn’t try to hide anything. Yes, she knows how much medication each horse gets, she knows who gives it, she knows when and she knows Inclusives reaction to it. IMO If she was trying to hide something she wouldn’t have been nearly so open about those things.
The perfect prep conversation was just jaw dropping.
This all makes Kris Jenner look like the mom of the century.
[QUOTE=marginall;8300772]
i found two things pretty striking.
the horse was lunged, ridden twice, given lactinase and Perfect Prep, and then apparently a shot of Carolina Gold all before it showed. wow.
page 69, Foreman makes the obvious statement whoever is in charge of the horse’s care is the trainer, regardless of what it says on the entry form. Rivetts clearly defined his role in his own words as the horse’s caretaker, aka trainer. it seems suspect that they were trying so hard to get Rivetts name off the entry blank for that show when he clearly was the trainer.
either way, it’s really a sad insider view of the sport. along with the other stories going on now, it’s all just gross and i have little faith in any pros.[/QUOTE]
I also found it very instructive that Colvin admitted that the horses used to be administered 10-20 cc of GABA, but that the current protocol is to give 1/2 to 2 cc right before the horse goes in the ring. Clearly experimenting to find the right dosage that also won’t test.
And how suspicious is it that Dr. Parker made such an issue of getting Rivett’s name off the entry? Calling him, telling him to go to the office and get it changed. Meanwhile, the person she wanted listed as trainer, Brigid Colvin, is not allowed near the horses without an escort? So the “trainer” can’t even touch the horses without supervision? What a farce!
[QUOTE=vxf111;8300748]
As I understood it, while BC was in Europe, there was a discussion between SS and BP that resulted in the horses being moved. BC and VC were texting back and forth about the situation while BC was still overseas. I did not understand VC to be a direct cause of the horses moving nor even directly part of the discussion. Something happened between BC and SS. VC then learned about it and told BC.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly, recall the part about the disagreement between Tori and Ken at NAYRC. Something along the lines of Ken wanting to use a certain training technique that Tori didn’t agree with and Tori apparently telling Ken off.
[QUOTE=mckenna310;8300387]
I like how she said the horse’s jugular veins were compromised from drug testing…
If any damage really was done it’s from stuff going IN, not blood coming OUT[/QUOTE]
Actually I’ve seen that happen. Just saying. Horse was tested at WEF and next day the exact spot was hard and swollen. Horse got tested again a week or two later and the new tester made a comment about it - I could tell him with certainty that it happened while the horse got tested previously.
Like others, I’m confused as to how you can argue that a women who, by both accounts, was banned from being in contact with the horses can be considered the person in charge of the horses management. Also I fail to understand how there is nothing the show office can do when you walk in and say “hey, someone signed my name on this entry but it was not me and I am not the trainer.” If there is nothing you can do, any who is concerned about a horse testing could just pick a random pro and sign their name. Did they ever get anything from the secretary verifying that Mr. Rivetts tried to change the name on the entry?
I also don’t understand how any ANY USEF official can say they have not heard of GABA. That just looks unprofessional. Certainly Mr. Rivetts could admit to knowledge of it without incriminating himself in a way Ms. Colvin could not just by virtue of having to know it is not allowed by USEF rules.
What does confuse me a little is the motive behind banning Ms. Colvin from having any contact with the horses if you believe she is not medicating them. What were they worried about her doing? Or were they simply worried about her wandering in and overseeing it happen?
Lastly, because this got long, does anyone know where Betsee Parker’s affidavit is? Or is it not release?
Will a CliffsNotes version of the documents be available? (Or has CliffsNotes died with the advent of the Internet? )
[QUOTE=Rel6;8300829]
Actually I’ve seen that happen. Just saying. Horse was tested at WEF and next day the exact spot was hard and swollen. Horse got tested again a week or two later and the new tester made a comment about it - I could tell him with certainty that it happened while the horse got tested previously.[/QUOTE]
While this certainly can happen, it is also quite common (and sadly so) that the testing vet will go to pull blood, realize that something had been injected recently and has to go to the other side of the neck for the pull. Unfortunately, it’s not a rarity, particularly if you are going to the big shows. These horses are like equine pin cushions
[QUOTE=busylady;8300827]
Not exactly, recall the part about the disagreement between Tori and Ken at NAYRC. Something along the lines of Ken wanting to use a certain training technique that Tori didn’t agree with and Tori apparently telling Ken off.[/QUOTE]
I understood that to be floating in the background but things came to a head in a discussion between BP and SS to which VC was not directly privvy and then it was communicated to VC who communicated it to BC. That could have been what BP and SS had the falling out about-- but as I understood it there was a discussion between BP and SS that terminated the relationship and that’s what BC and VC were texting about.
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8300859]
Will a CliffsNotes version of the documents be available? (Or has CliffsNotes died with the advent of the Internet? )[/QUOTE]
Just go to page 24 and read lines 18-24. Things that make you go Hmmmm…
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