That must be it Stolen. Damn her for asking a bit question like the million other posters who come to this board and do the same thing day in and day out
Including if my memory serves some of your very own "how to " training threads and questions about OTTB’s years ago lets say somewhere around 2011 and prior.
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Bits do not train horses trainers do that. You might want to read my response to the first OP post. Anyone who actually has experience with training OTTB or other horses knows this. But hey, I guess some of you really do have no idea about horses…[/QUOTE]
No, but bits can make training easier or harder and a horse who’s been acting up may improve quite a lot with the right bit simply because they’re now more comfortable and getting more effective communication. You can’t know without trying it on the horse which will work best (which was why, if I were the OP and having no luck, I’d have had someone look at the horse if I wasn’t comfortable just switching bits myself.) And there’s no perfect answer–hence my disagreeing with a rather blanket “A dee snaffle should work on every horse” as while my old horse went great in a single-joint full cheek and the only jointed bit my current horse goes all right in is a sweet iron French link (and getting him to think about any sort of bending or turning is a lot easier when he’s not fussing with a bit he doesn’t like.) He’s also done well in a jointed Kimberwicke. (Yes, a Kimberwicke. STONE THE HERETIC!!!)
Bits don’t magically solve problems or train horses (and “what kind of bit should I use on her” does not imply that they do, no matter how hard some people try to parse it that way) but using one the horse likes and is comfortable in does make solving problems easier. Anyone who actually has experience with horses would know that…
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That must be it Stolen. Damn her for asking a bit question like the million other posters who come to this board and do the same thing day in and day out
Including if my memory serves some of your very own "how to " training threads and questions about OTTB’s years ago lets say somewhere around 2011 and prior.[/QUOTE]
Gee, the title of the thread “converting race horse straight off the track to pleasure horse” also tells the story of the bit used for training purposes. My own training questions about bits? No, my OTTB has trainers and he has used the same bit since coming off the track. Not sure what on earth your point would even be about my previous posts on this BB. Stalking much there, Lynnwood…
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Gee, the title of the thread “converting race horse straight off the track to pleasure horse” also tells the story of the bit used for training purposes. My own training questions about bits? No, my OTTB has trainers and he has used the same bit since coming off the track. Not sure what on earth your point would even be about my previous posts on this BB. Stalking much there, Lynnwood…[/QUOTE]
You most certainly have posted threads asking questions about OTTBs and training off the track. About bits specifically who knows but certainly questions about training etc. I even seem to remember one about OMG this young horse is so calm and not a hot mess(apparently you didn’t know enough about OTTB’s back then that you bought into that all young TB off the track were supposed to be fire breathing monsters.) Nobody chastised you for your questions how about you extend the same ?
You live in a glass house perhaps you should think twice before casting stones.
Again your reading comprehension is poor and sadly typical of you at this point. All the OP was asking for was bit suggestions. Since they did not clarify anything other then that the mare was strong while being LED. She asked two specific questions " Can I eventually get her calm enough to ride pleasure." and “What kind of bit should I use on her.”
Neither one gave indication that she was looking for a harsher bit for training purposes as you have said and assumed she was hunting for. Personally I believe she was expressing the horse was strong and admitting she did not know much about OTTBS and was questioning what type of bit to start her with. Various facets of riding start their horses in vast arrays of equipment…being humble enough to ask seems like the right choice to me. Reasonable advice like many TBS are used to bits XYZ during their time on the track perhaps try one of these also search out the guidance of someone familiar with restarting OTTBS to help pave your path.
Instead you turn it into a public square lynching casting assumptive opinions from your elevated arm chair.
In before SV and the “You’re calling me names meany face , victim post”
And this thread is Exhibit A as to why posters may not want to come here and ask for advice.
Well, if the OP would actually participate it would be more productive.
My pet peeve is when someone posts a question and doesn’t respond to the productive replies. In this case she didn’t really acknowledge them because so much time went by she’d moved on to something else.
OP participation is basic BB manners.
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Well, if the OP would actually participate it would be more productive.
My pet peeve is when someone posts a question and doesn’t respond to the productive replies. In this case she didn’t really acknowledge them because so much time went by she’d moved on to something else.
OP participation is basic BB manners.[/QUOTE]
Manners? Look at the inferences that have been made about her. Pages and pages of them. What could she gain from coming back to this catfight?
Instead of being a teachable moment, I think she was sent scurrying away. Frankly I don’t blame her.:no:
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Manners? Look at the inferences that have been made about her. Pages and pages of them. What could she gain from coming back to this catfight?
Instead of being a teachable moment, I think she was sent scurrying away. Frankly I don’t blame her.:no:[/QUOTE]
This !
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You most certainly have posted threads asking questions about OTTBs and training off the track. About bits specifically who knows but certainly questions about training etc. I even seem to remember one about OMG this young horse is so calm and not a hot mess(apparently you didn’t know enough about OTTB’s back then that you bought into that all young TB off the track were supposed to be fire breathing monsters.) Nobody chastised you for your questions how about you extend the same ?
You live in a glass house perhaps you should think twice before casting stones.
Again your reading comprehension is poor and sadly typical of you at this point. All the OP was asking for was bit suggestions. Since they did not clarify anything other then that the mare was strong while being LED. She asked two specific questions " Can I eventually get her calm enough to ride pleasure." and “What kind of bit should I use on her.”
Neither one gave indication that she was looking for a harsher bit for training purposes as you have said and assumed she was hunting for. Personally I believe she was expressing the horse was strong and admitting she did not know much about OTTBS and was questioning what type of bit to start her with. Various facets of riding start their horses in vast arrays of equipment…being humble enough to ask seems like the right choice to me. Reasonable advice like many TBS are used to bits XYZ during their time on the track perhaps try one of these also search out the guidance of someone familiar with restarting OTTBS to help pave your path.
Instead you turn it into a public square lynching casting assumptive opinions from your elevated arm chair.
In before SV and the “You’re calling me names meany face , victim post”[/QUOTE]
Lynnwood, you might want to read my response to the OP regarding her first post, but since you would rather read my posts from years ago, I told her that I could provide the names of 2 OTTB trainers in Calif. My responses to the OP running a “retired” OTTB on a bush track and breeding her are what you are referring to. I hardly call anyone’s response a “public lynching” but you are one poster who enjoys your drama on here.
Not sure what stones I have cast, I have had all 3 of my OTTB with experienced trainers for atleast two years and more before I even jumped them. I have never run any of my OTTBs on a bush track and I did not breed my mare. So despite your overly dramatic, accusatory and delusional post, I stand by my opinions.
Maybe instead of reading my posts from years ago which had nothing to do with “OMG my horse is so calm what do I do” instead it was about a horse not being forward but you clearly do not ride much to know the difference, you might want to go ride a horse and learn something.
No SV I’m refering to THESE POSTS please just read for crying out loud.
stolen virtue
I think some of you who think the OP is a talented rider/trainer might want to read the OPs first post. Thinking a harsher bit will magically train an OTTB was for many of us, our first clue about the talents of the OP…
Gee, the title of the thread “converting race horse straight off the track to pleasure horse” also tells the story of the bit used for training purposes.
This quote was lovely and you should have stopped there
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There are two OTTB trainers in my area. If you are in Calif. I can provide contact information.[/QUOTE]
The condescending behavior and lack of manners consumes anything constructive you have to say.
And again this thread SV isn’t about a horse being much calmer and easier then you expected of a 4 year old TB ? Bottom line nobody has EVER castised you for asking training questions. You certainly don’t pay it forward.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?331991-4-year-old-OTTB-learning-fast
Well there were pages and pages of advice that she never even acknowledged. Very kind and very sound advice, just saying!
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Well there were pages and pages of advice that she never even acknowledged. Very kind and very sound advice, just saying![/QUOTE]
There were you are totally correct there were also pages and pages of vitriolic assumptive snarky condemnation. I don’t blame her one bit for NOT attempting to explain herself further or participate.
She asked a question about a bit and this thread derailed into a battle about racing , breakdowns , racing old horses , racing young horses , bush tracks, breeding , Qh’s , her merits as a horse owner , suggestions that the horse should be claimed away from her if possible. SMH
Or, it could be the OP actually has a life and hasn’t made it back here.
For the record, it’s a claiming race, not a “claims” race. Like nails on a chalkboard to me. Sorry.
I admit I havent had the time to look up this mares PP’s, but found it amusing that someone could deduce the mental burnout, or even physical traumas from that. Very interesting indeed. Might have to take a look.
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No SV I’m refering to THESE POSTS please just read for crying out loud.
This quote was lovely and you should have stopped there
The condescending behavior and lack of manners consumes anything constructive you have to say.
And again this thread SV isn’t about a horse being much calmer and easier then you expected of a 4 year old TB ? Bottom line nobody has EVER castised you for asking training questions. You certainly don’t pay it forward.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?331991-4-year-old-OTTB-learning-fast[/QUOTE]
Oh, Lynnwood, not getting enough drama in your own life ? Not enough carriage horse threads for you to carry on your own rude behavior so you come here to carry on about how everyone else is condescending ?
I practice what I preach, use professional trainers when I have a training issue, don’t use stronger bits when the problem is likely my own riding or physical pain of the horse, don’t race my OTTBs at bush tracks and I will never breed as long as their are unwanted horses. Many of the posters (you are the exception) on the Hunter/Jumper forum are very helpful and provide realistic help for real training questions. This OP received many good ideas for the first post concerning retraining an OTTB. However, the OP chose to not retrain her horse and breed her and she received responses for that as well.
You seem to be confused about the fact that sending an OTTB back to bush tracks and to breed her have NOTHING whatsoever to do with a training issue. But maybe if you were actually a rider you might be able to tell the difference between a training question and just giving up on a horse.
You deserve a “bless her heart” but frankly I don’t give two bits about you 
SV
You can keep yammering on about harsher bits and training issues when again the OP never asked for a harsher bit. She asked “what bit”.
Her original inquires yet again since you seem to be illiterate were in reference to a mare that was described as strong on the ground. " Can I eventually get her calm enough to ride pleasure." and “What kind of bit should I use on her.” NOT what sort of harsh bit can I use to cut corners etc.
My issues with your behavior were about your quotes about harsh bits and assumptive snarkiness. You just keep bringing up brush tracks and breeding.
She asked a training question and then chose to do something else with the mare. You just don’t like her choices. Get over yourself.
Lynnwood, it is a public BB for people who have or ride horses. Being able to understand what a horse training question is does require that someone has some horse experience. You would be better off to find a BB in an area that you actually have some knowledge or experience in.
You enjoy posting about posters that you don’t like. Might be time to take your hostility and find another use for it.
Fair enough on the “claims” vs. “claiming” race thing. It’s a lazy shorthand I shouldn’t use.
And, honestly, I also provided kind and helpful advice at the beginning…but I am not going to sit by and smile when an owner like this sends a mare like this to a low end track and says she is then going to breed her.
By the way, if you don’t think you can tell a lot from the racing charts, you are wrong. There are also some videos of this mare from Arlington (one where she wins and one where she is third). In the one where she is third, she breaks from the starting gate and just basically runs sideways. It’s from three years ago, so probably not indicative of how she runs now, but her charts do contain a lot of comments about being erratic or green, even in later years. More of an observation than anything.
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Lynnwood, it is a public BB for people who have or ride horses. Being able to understand what a horse training question is does require that someone has some horse experience. You would be better off to find a BB in an area that you actually have some knowledge or experience in.
You enjoy posting about posters that you don’t like. Might be time to take your hostility and find another use for it.[/QUOTE]
Your right SV found me out , don’t ride , never ridden , certainly don’t show , … matter of fact what is a horse ?
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Your right SV found me out , don’t ride , never ridden , certainly don’t show , matter of fact what is a horse ?[/QUOTE]
There are many other BB’s out there. Bye !
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There are many other BB’s out there. Bye ![/QUOTE]
Aww I’ll miss you where are you going? Do you need help packing ?
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