Court date for Michael Barisone?

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

I would think Bilinkas will definitely bring up the alleged lack of appropriate response by the police department, including subpoenaing all the officers involved.

Yes…but the prosecution might hope to minimize it or deflect it as whining and hope it makes the jury look at him badly. We don’t actually know what is in the reports or what evidence/witnesses are available to support the claims. At best, all they can do is bolster the claim of insanity by harassment. So far the MB/police suit says nothing about the behavior of the police in connection with the shooting….so, is that because MB can’t remember or is that to keep something back for the criminal trial?

However, it is clear that they are going to try to put LK’s behavior on trial and that may open up some of these COTH posts as evidence for pattern of behavior and credibility.

[Sdel]

And just because it hasn’t been mentioned…

The MB/LK/SGF/RC suit has been officially stayed until 5/22 or until 15 days after the criminal case is concluded. I assume that means they are optimistic that it will be done sometime in the next 9 months.

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

And just because it hasn’t been mentioned…

The MB/LK/SGF/RC suit has been officially stayed until 5/22 or until 15 days after the criminal case is concluded. I assume that means they are optimistic that it will be done sometime in the next 9 months.

Thank you for the update.

[Knights_Mom]

The MB defense team in the Criminal suit did not need the Civil suit to get the police officers to testify. Hostile witnesses are called upon all the time to punch holes in the prosecution’s assertions. And with the burden on the prosecutor (criminal case) to prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s certainly relevant.

Juries are not agreeable to deception by police nowadays.

[Graymaresrule]

@Sdel

The MB/LK/SGF/RC suit has been officially stayed until 5/22 or until 15 days after the criminal case is concluded. I assume that means they are optimistic that it will be done sometime in the next 9 months.

That will be about 2.5 years after the shooting. How much additional time is MB liable to get?

[La-LaPopRider]

@trubandloki

one has to think there is something they did not want to come out. With LK’s history, that could be so many things.

With MB’s history, betting there are so many more things. I fail to see this “history,” of mine to which you refer. As far as Barisone, I don’t see how “being abused as a child,” excuses gun violence- and attempting to murder two people at age 54. Or bullying us. Or threatening us.

And yes. To answer your less than brilliant remark- Take this to the bank: Duh. Of course there are things we DO NOT WANT to “come out.” YET. If we DID …… we would probably TELL you about it, instead of waiting to surprise the civil attorneys AT TRIAL - with actual facts- which they are under no oath of ethics to refrain from falsely ALLEGING anything. Being that the burden of proof in a civil case is 51% and based only on the PREPONDERANCE of the evidence- (which has yet to be shown - Bc there isn’t any) rather than the 98% “beyond a SHADOW OF DOUBT,” like required in a criminal proceeding, (which is why the defense there hasn’t mentioned nearly a word of anything being alleged in the new civil case - posted by the ever-obsessed Eggbutt - ) BC the criminal defense HAS TO PROVE those allegations, or even just BELIEVE he can CONVINCE 12 people - and if he believed he could, even given the staggering amount of evidence to the contrary- he’d likely have mentioned them in ohh…. Idk…. perhaps the past TWO YEARS ??

I’m positive they were hoping we’d provide one word of allegation crushing, factual rebuttals here, or, fb, ig, Twitter etc…… I’m sure they’re praying that will happen, in order to somehow build a case to substantiate their ridiculously laughable allegations, against our factual, irrefutable rebuttals. No such luck. But trophy to whoever it was that suggested it’s within realm of POSSIBILITY to “shoot up,” a sublingual STRIP……. Omg…… Even with 103.4 fever, I spit out my last sip of NyQuil when that comment was read to me over a group zoom call!!! Hahah…. Well done, whoever came up with that one!! Honestly, I still can’t think about it without laugh pains!! Stop!!! Does one fold the strip in half? Like…. How does an immediately dissolvable STRIP, get INTO the “shooting up,” …… device (??) Humor me some more, PLEASE!!! Please?

I’m looking in my crystal ball. I’m seeing………… just kidding. Like I’d tell you. Oh wait!! Nope.

[La-LaPopRider]

@Knights_Mom

Juries are not agreeable to deception by police nowadays.

Have you met these officers?? I have. You’d be hard pressed to find a more honest, braver or fairer police force. Not to mention unbelievable competence in the face of possible death and two victims to care for, arrange transport by air and meanwhile, very nearly stop uncontrollable bleeding for exactly long enough to save my life.

I feel sorriest for Barisone’s attorneys. His prior attorneys have never given him very positive um…… “testimonials.” Leaving that right there. See ya on the bb next month (or year, or never) - just never can tell!

[Knights_Mom]

@La-LaPopRider

@trubandloki

one has to think there is something they did not want to come out. With LK’s history, that could be so many things.

With MB’s history, betting there are so many more things. I fail to see this “history,” of mine to which you refer. ** far as Barisone, I don’t see how “being abused as a child,” excuses gun violence- and attempting to murder two people at age 54. Or bullying us. Or threatening us.

So what’s YOUR excuse for threatening me or attempting to bully me? How about others who received your messages? How about owning up to the fact you LIED in order to intimidate others to behave as you wished? You seem to always duck out of explaining yourself on this one. A lie and course of behavior shown before all on the forum. Explain yourself.

Even better I think you owe those you harassed an apology.

[eggbutt]

@La-LaPopRider

@trubandloki

one has to think there is something they did not want to come out. With LK’s history, that could be so many things.

With MB’s history, betting there are so many more things. I fail to see this “history,” of mine to which you refer. As far as Barisone, I don’t see how “being abused as a child,” excuses gun violence- and attempting to murder two people at age 54. Or bullying us. Or threatening us.

And yes. To answer your less than brilliant remark- Take this to the bank: Duh. Of course there are things we DO NOT WANT to “come out.” YET. If we DID …… we would probably TELL you about it, instead of waiting to surprise the civil attorneys AT TRIAL - with actual facts- which they are under no oath of ethics to refrain from falsely ALLEGING anything. Being that the burden of proof in a civil case is 51% and based only on the PREPONDERANCE of the evidence- (which has yet to be shown - Bc there isn’t any) rather than the 98% “beyond a SHADOW OF DOUBT,” like required in a criminal proceeding, (which is why the defense there hasn’t mentioned nearly a word of anything being alleged in the new civil case - posted by the ever-obsessed Eggbutt - ) BC the criminal defense HAS TO PROVE those allegations, or even just BELIEVE he can CONVINCE 12 people - and if he believed he could, even given the staggering amount of evidence to the contrary- he’d likely have mentioned them in ohh…. Idk…. perhaps the past TWO YEARS ??

I’m positive they were hoping we’d provide one word of allegation crushing, factual rebuttals here, or, fb, ig, Twitter etc…… I’m sure they’re praying that will happen, in order to somehow build a case to substantiate their ridiculously laughable allegations, against our factual, irrefutable rebuttals. No such luck. But trophy to whoever it was that suggested it’s within realm of POSSIBILITY to “shoot up,” a sublingual STRIP……. Omg…… Even with 103.4 fever, I spit out my last sip of NyQuil when that comment was read to me over a group zoom call!!! Hahah…. Well done, whoever came up with that one!! Honestly, I still can’t think about it without laugh pains!! Stop!!! Does one fold the strip in half? Like…. How does an immediately dissolvable STRIP, get INTO the “shooting up,” …… device (??) Humor me some more, PLEASE!!! Please?

I’m looking in my crystal ball. I’m seeing………… just kidding. Like I’d tell you. Oh wait!! Nope.

Bless your heart.

Most of us are focused on the other thread. I almost missed La-La’s words of wisdom!

[eggbutt]

@La-LaPopRider

@Knights_Mom

Juries are not agreeable to deception by police nowadays.

Have you met these officers?? I have. You’d be hard pressed to find a more honest, braver or fairer police force. Not to mention unbelievable competence in the face of possible death and two victims to care for, arrange transport by air and meanwhile, very nearly stop uncontrollable bleeding for exactly long enough to save my life.

I feel sorriest for Barisone’s attorneys. His prior attorneys have never given him very positive um…… “testimonials.” Leaving that right there. See ya on the bb next month (or year, or never) - just never can tell!

What does how these officers did their jobs on the day of the shooting have to do with their apparent failure of following police procedure in the days prior to the event?

Oh wait, you can’t say…YET. No worries, it will all come out in the trial(s).

Hope you feel better and hope it isn’t COVID-19. Seriously.

[Mersidoats]

My, my. Someone needs to read for reading comprehension. There is no mention of a sublingual tab being used for snorting or injecting. In fact - the opposite - a doctor prescribing a sublingual tab to prevent the patient from grinding the pill into a powder in order to snort or inject the substance.

[cutter99]

@La-LaPopRider

@trubandloki

one has to think there is something they did not want to come out. With LK’s history, that could be so many things.

With MB’s history, betting there are so many more things. I fail to see this “history,” of mine to which you refer. As far as Barisone, I don’t see how “being abused as a child,” excuses gun violence- and attempting to murder two people at age 54. Or bullying us. Or threatening us.

And yes. To answer your less than brilliant remark- Take this to the bank: Duh. Of course there are things we DO NOT WANT to “come out.” YET. If we DID …… we would probably TELL you about it, instead of waiting to surprise the civil attorneys AT TRIAL - with actual facts- which they are under no oath of ethics to refrain from falsely ALLEGING anything. Being that the burden of proof in a civil case is 51% and based only on the PREPONDERANCE of the evidence- (which has yet to be shown - Bc there isn’t any) rather than the 98% “beyond a SHADOW OF DOUBT,” like required in a criminal proceeding, (which is why the defense there hasn’t mentioned nearly a word of anything being alleged in the new civil case - posted by the ever-obsessed Eggbutt - ) BC the criminal defense HAS TO PROVE those allegations, or even just BELIEVE he can CONVINCE 12 people - and if he believed he could, even given the staggering amount of evidence to the contrary- he’d likely have mentioned them in ohh…. Idk…. perhaps the past TWO YEARS ??

I’m positive they were hoping we’d provide one word of allegation crushing, factual rebuttals here, or, fb, ig, Twitter etc…… I’m sure they’re praying that will happen, in order to somehow build a case to substantiate their ridiculously laughable allegations, against our factual, irrefutable rebuttals. No such luck. But trophy to whoever it was that suggested it’s within realm of POSSIBILITY to “shoot up,” a sublingual STRIP……. Omg…… Even with 103.4 fever, I spit out my last sip of NyQuil when that comment was read to me over a group zoom call!!! Hahah…. Well done, whoever came up with that one!! Honestly, I still can’t think about it without laugh pains!! Stop!!! Does one fold the strip in half? Like…. How does an immediately dissolvable STRIP, get INTO the “shooting up,” …… device (??) Humor me some more, PLEASE!!! Please?

I’m looking in my crystal ball. I’m seeing………… just kidding. Like I’d tell you. Oh wait!! Nope.

The ship of you not providing one single word sailed a long, long time ago!

What do you think this response alone is? In addition to the multitudes of others…

Geez.

[trubandloki]

I thought in a criminal trial the prosecution had to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, and technically the defense has to prove pretty much nothing, all the proving is on the prosecution.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

I thought in a criminal trial the prosecution had to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, and technically the defense has to prove pretty much nothing, all the proving is on the prosecution.

Correct. And Knights_Mom has previously commented on the idea that the specific charges require some proof of intent.

[trubandloki]

Thanks for clarifying @Sdel. I should have quoted the part of the post to me which caused me to ask, where it says in all caps that the “defense HAS TO PROVE those allegations”.

[Sdel]

The kicker for me was the oversell of how wonderful the police are. The same police that can’t seem to find enough evidence to support LK’s ALLEGATIONS that RC KNOWINGLY gave her gun to MB to MURDER her with. Nor can they find enough evidence to ARREST MH/RC/JH for their COMPLICITY in PLOTTING her MURDER even though she has LEGALLY obtained recordings of them plotting it and it all went down EXACTLY as they planned.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

The kicker for me was the oversell of how wonderful the police are. The same police that can’t seem to find enough evidence to support LK’s ALLEGATIONS that RC KNOWINGLY gave her gun to MB to MURDER her with. Nor can they find enough evidence to ARREST MH/RC/JH for their COMPLICITY in PLOTTING her MURDER even though she has LEGALLY obtained recordings of them plotting it and it all went down EXACTLY as they planned.

One should never post in a NyQuil induced haze at 3 AM.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

The kicker for me was the oversell of how wonderful the police are. The same police that can’t seem to find enough evidence to support LK’s ALLEGATIONS that RC KNOWINGLY gave her gun to MB to MURDER her with. Nor can they find enough evidence to ARREST MH/RC/JH for their COMPLICITY in PLOTTING her MURDER even though she has LEGALLY obtained recordings of them plotting it and it all went down EXACTLY as they planned.

If it were truly known who provided the gun then in LK’s civil suit she wouldn’t have to name John/Jane Does number 1 thru 27 in addition to Cox.

[vxf111]

“Beyond a shadow of a doubt” is not a legal standard for anything in the United States.

[Graymaresrule]

FWIW it sounds like she is very sick and the doctors don’t know why.

I got pneumonia 18 months ago, ended up in the ER, and no one ever figured out the culprit. It sucked and I’m still dealing with the results. I don’t wish this on anyone.