His civil claims against the police say he tied to show the police printouts of her FB page with those comments.
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I agree. Iâm only trying to see things from the LEO point of view which is not an exercise I try that often :).
I am guessing both parties came across as cray cray drama queens to LEO after repeated 911 calls from both.
I canât imagine that thrusting some FB printouts at a police officer would be super effective because that could so easily be photoshopped or tampered with. There are stronger legal protocols for guaranteeing the provenance of SM material.
I donât think anyone would have expected MB to shoot. Itâs also quite likely LEO wouldnât have known he had access to a gun. I doubt he told them about that.
My feeling is the civil suit against the police will not succeed and is part of a larger strategy about defence.
And what could the police have done? If they had magickal foresight and knew that MB had a gun, was losing his mind, and was a danger to others, they could have hospitalized him for 24 or 72 hours or whatever they are allowed to do. He would have been absolutely furious about that I am sure, as would anybody, and thought his rights were violated. And indeed there was not enough evidence for that right up until he shot. It doesnât sound like the police knew there was a gun for MB, and it sounds possible that LK did not have a gun there whatever she said on FB.
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The civil suit may succeed as often itâs cheaper to settle than litigate.
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Ah good point. Just pay to make it go away.
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Perhaps.
But if I were dealing with somebody who seemed determined to torture me, and that person was making social media posts about being armed, I would certainly be concerned about it.
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I would be terrified, I agree.
However, these are the kind of situations the police are not good at intervening in, because of their training, resources, and the way the legal system is structured.
Typically the first step you need to do is get a restraining order which the police will then enforce. Then the police can be sure they are acting legally and a judge has looked at the evidence.
Thatâs what I mean by the legal system does not really work very efficiently to sort out interpersonal disputes. You need time to get a restraining order and an eviction order, etc. Both sides can present evidence in an eviction order I think.
Itâs like âstolenâ horses that are really disputed leases or overdue board or etc. You need a court order on the ownership before the police will act to retrieve the horse. They wonât lift a finger to help until they know a judge has made a decision on who is the lawful owner.
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Orders of Protection happen way quicker than eviction warrants. And although they dont stop bullets it would have been the 1st thing I told any of the parties to do.
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Did I dream that he went to the MCPD and did that? Was that in one of the court filings? IDK.
I donât recall.
Being in fear for your life, your kids threatened, your livelihood threatened,⊠might make people feel dramatic.
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Nah. All you would do is consider what personal trauma the aggressor experienced in their past.
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Thatâ's not and excuse for the police to neglect to take a statement from the person who called 911 when they get there. Several times, apparently, they never even talked to MB who was the one who called the police. Whatâs that about? How does that work, in the world of police responding to a 911 call?
And, you have a right to talk to a supervisor, so when he showed up at the police station to complain that they never responded to his 911 call, at least didnât respond to him a bout his 911 call, the police refused to let him talk to a supervisor.
Not cool, not cool at all, and I can bet there are some PD folks sweating out this one. You canât just write up reports days after you made the trip out to the barn, ignoring the 911 caller. Oh, waitâŠ
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Iâm thinkingâŠthey are NOT âsweating this one out.â They acted exactly as they should have.
As far your post: Which is it? PD âmade the trip out to the barn?â OR, âignored the 911 caller?â
Better question- are you accusing the 911 dispatchers on the opposite end of the (very public 911) calls to have been LYING, when they stated either âpatrol cars are on the way,â or the similar? Are you insinuating that no one ever arrived? If so, is it your belief that MB would not have called again, demanding from dispatch an answer as to why it is âno one arrived,â but that call wouldnât be public info as well? (Since that is what your accusation insinuates, that is.) If Iâm off base, please clarify.
Actually, youâre so âall over the place,â itâs probably best you simply rephrase your entire accusation. IOW, DO clarify.
Last question. Did someone tell you that MB tried to speak with a âhigher up,â (be it a supervisor, the actual DA himself, or any person in between) but this ârequest,â was âdenied?â OrâŠâŠ do you just enjoy making entirely false statements, attacking TRAINED LEOâs, court officials and basically anyone else who did their jobs in a manner consistent with the LAWS? One reason I ask is Bc, this begs the question, why then, do you fail to address & aggressively ignore that a licensed doctor of psychiatry handed a weapon to her (at least one time) âpatient,â whom (as a âperson close to him,â & as the civil suit reads) knew him to exhibit longtime symptoms of severe mental illness? (Paraphrased due to laziness.) Biased much?
I wonder why, (also, how) partners of SGF LLC would âpartner up,â with someone so allegedly mentally deterioratedâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠ But, Iâll pocket that question for a more appropriate venue & time. Carry on! Tell me everything! It took the âbest & brightest, sleuths,â on this forum two years to arrive at the previously confirmed conclusion - WE were never armed. Nor did any post made by me- claim we were. So, perhaps sometime in 2050, all the other previously confirmed facts labeled as âlies,â by certain agenda driven posters will be admitted finally on here also, by those who made them. I was under the impression Coth only allowed âfacts,â (not fiction) to be posted on a thread during an ongoing investigation? Allowing false & potentially damaging allegations to be stated as fact - bad. Or, so Iâd think. More of an âout loud,â thought, I guess. K. Back to Tokyo coverage!
ETA- two missing words/clarity
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About 20 years ago there was a huge clammering for change in domestic violence situations due to the frequency of (mostly) women getting hurt or killed because police were notorious for not doing their due diligence in these situations.
For the police, the most dangerous of calls were domestic disputes. So police often did the bare minimum.
About 20 years ago though police departments and jurisdictions made real efforts to enact laws and procedures to protect victims. A violation of an order of protection became a must arrest situation for instance.
Policing is an insanely difficult job. Many are very good at it. Some are notoriously bad at it. And yes often in situations like this the police do not do their due diligence.
Note: I am in no way asserting anything either way in this case, Iâm simply saying the problem exists in the world.
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I believe that came from the new court filing, #89, and #97-107 found here:
If that is true, then PD messed up. If someone requests a supervisor from the PD, they should get one. Of course that may come with a wait time as these people arenât just sitting around waiting to talk to someone thatâs upset with the police, but they should eventually be able to file a complaint.
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I think itâs important to underline that policing is a very difficult job. The things and people they deal with are âŠwell, difficult. As with most professions, you have those who are good at their job and take pride in it, and those who donât.
I think dealing with the mentally ill, defining who or what is to be considered mentally ill, and to what extent a mentally ill person is to be held accountable for their actions is also tricky.
Iâve no idea if the claims made by Barisone are pure BS or not. I would think a reputable (and in demand) attorney would not waste their time with frivolous controversial suits that have a high probability of being not being a âwinâ or tossed out. Then again, I have seen some utterly crap cases brought before a court, even on an international level, so maybe money talks or people are delusional/strong in a belief.
I am interested to see if itâs actually got some teeth. Itâs difficult because the audience has mostly been presented with accounts from both sides, but not necessarily facts. Mostly because the cases havenât been ruled on yet. Just because an eye witness says âthis is a factâ doesnât necessarily mean it is.
I can sort of see why Barisone would make these claims though, they are in his âbest interestâ and perhaps worth a try for him and his team. I am not saying that anything he is saying is the truth though, because I have no clue and Iâm not trying to solve any cases here. Just a wait and see.
If Barisoneâs case is purely not a case/not true/isnât proven, then thatâs incredibly stupid and totally uneeded for the police who already struggle enough and have enough to deal with, never mind having a BS case on top of it (which they have to take more time out of their day to answer questions, do additional paperwork, etc.) So thatâd be really crappy.
But, weâll see, I guess 
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Donât know whether this case is fact or fiction, but I do think the above is likely too.
Additionally does MB have $$ to waste on lawyers billable time chasing frivolous lawsuits that arenât based on verifiable facts such that they have a snowball chance⊠?
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Interesting, right?
That this astute poster missed that, and the other thread completely.
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