Cow dying in a local pasture. No one is doing....UPDATE on #260

[MoonWitch]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8661049]
Initiating is not the same as specializing.

I’ve seen humane cases go down wayyy outside of city limits before.

Anyways, I just don’t think anyone has the right to tell the OP not to be concerned since not one of us is there to see for ourselves. OP herself says she has experience with cattle, so I don’t know why people are disrespecting her by saying otherwise.

It’s a shame, because that’s probably why she hasn’t responded back with news.[/QUOTE]

I notice the reference to rodeo in your name. Do you realize that many people find them to be cruel and abusive?

[Krisly7]

[QUOTE=amm2cd;8660942]
Proof that the vet was not consulted?[/QUOTE]

Proof that he was!
If in doubt, why would you not side with the animal instate of jumping all over the OP?

[Red_Barn]

[QUOTE=Krisly7;8661323]
Proof that he was!
If in doubt, why would you not side with the animal instate of jumping all over the OP?[/QUOTE]
Because you’re arguing with people whose perpetual aim is to prevent the spread of popular interest in the welfare of production animals. Jumping all over the OP is just part and parcel of this partly financial, partly ideological agenda.

I have no idea why this happens so regularly on a horse forum, of all things, but I think you’ll find that it’s actually very predictable.

[amm2cd]

[QUOTE=Krisly7;8661323]
Proof that he was!
If in doubt, why would you not side with the animal instate of jumping all over the OP?[/QUOTE]

Because a private individual is under no obligation to inform the faceless masses of his or her every action. Nobody has to make their vet calls public. If there is a complaint, it is LEO’S job to follow up. If the officer had all of his questions answered to his satiafaction, then the owner might be doing all he can.

Nobody is saying that beef cows should suffer, anywhere in this thread. Several knowledgeable people have shared possible causes and treatment options, some of which include giving the cow a chance to heal instead of immediately shooting her.

Of course the OP could inform the cow owner of this thread and we would all get answers instead of a neighborly feud. Longtime COTHERS have seen threads like this before where vital details are omitted or people are not what they seem. Thus the caution at jumping on the witch hunt bandwagon.

[dotneko]

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8661348]
Because you’re arguing with people whose perpetual aim is to prevent the spread of popular interest in the welfare of production animals. Jumping all over the OP is just part and parcel of this partly financial, partly ideological agenda.

I have no idea why this happens so regularly on a horse forum, of all things, but I think you’ll find that it’s actually very predictable.

;)[/QUOTE]

I had NO idea I had an ideological agenda. All I wanted was for the OP to speak with their neighbor Fer crying out loud. Better a conversation than being creepy stalker person.

[Red_Barn]

^ Hey, if this thread existed in isolation, I might actually believe that.

Thread #986 in exactly the same style? Sorry - no.

[amm2cd]

I read the entire 12 pages and I think it reads more like example #37192 of “what should I do? Nevermind, I just wanted to anonymously whine/bash/have a tea party”.

As for “partly financial” who here wants to share the profits reaped from not blindly believing what a stranger posts on the Internet and engaging in said which hunt? I will anxiously be waiting for my prepaid Visa card (too easy to scam with checks, obviously).

[wcporter]

erremgeee whaaaaat happened to the cooooow???111?!!

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=wcporter;8661492]
erremgeee whaaaaat happened to the cooooow???111?!![/QUOTE]
Send a PM to the original poster.

[wcporter]

That’s too much work :lol:

[Callista17]

Ill do it! Lol I am curious enough about the cow! :lol:

[cloudyandcallie]

Ticked off again, part 2: It really irritates me that people jump on someone who cares about an animal who may be suffering or dying. It is not being a busy body to use binoculars or to watch a neighbor’s animal which appears in distress. People act as though it is OK to let an animal suffer as long as it is not your animal.

As for animal control, I’ve always said let them come check on all my animals any time, as I have nothing to hide.

And I used to work on a farm every summer when growing up, working with cows and hogs, etc. I do know about calving and sick cows. (All my friends and even the horses from our lesson program went to summer camps in NC while I worked on a farm) And the Bethesda dairy cows were 2 miles down the road from my house, so I rode my horse by them everyday till I went off to college. (One of my horses had a dairy cow girlfriend who lived in a pasture right by the boy scout camp a quarter mile from my house.)
So don’t classify me as clueless. Well cows do not lie down for days in a field.
If I were the OP, who apparently cares about the dog on some other thread and the cow on this thread, I’d not ask any more advice from Cothers.

[Countrywood]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/watch-ag-gag-laws-silence_b_3580074.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag

AG GAG laws in a number of states and the intensive feeding/factory aka t corporate interests want to see silencing of those who question practices esp that of cruel confinement of poultry or livestock ( AG GAG laws recently over turned in 2 states but proposed in more) Big $ at stake and thus agenda driven blogs and planted posts are a way to ridicule and thus marginalize anyone who speaks out.

This particular situation /cow may or may not be abuse, and the OP may or may not be ignorant about what is being done, but she came here for guidance and got a number of posts marginalizing her as we see on other threads.

[D_BaldStockings]

[QUOTE=Color of Light;8653501]
Someone just gave her a few sips of water, then took the rest of it away. :no: First time I’ve seen anyone water her all week. LE knocking at their door may have been the motivator. I moved my desk in my office facing that farm, so I could see any action in that pasture all week, even from a far distance. I must have missed the other sparse waterings all week, since she is still barely alive.

She managed to stand for about 5 minutes. He petted her, walked away, she tried to shuffle her hind legs in tiny steps, but her hind end is hunched under, almost like her legs won’t straighten. She crumbled to the ground. Got video of it all.

If LE did knock on their door and the people were home, would they not go and investigate the animal? Or would they take this guy’s word for it? That definitely did not happen today. The cow was attended to twice today. Once when he gave her hay (no water) and all the other cows practically stood on top of her and ate it all, secondly just moments ago. Water, no hay.

The guy I am seeing is definitely the farm owner who pulled the calf out and has been working in his garden 200 feet away several days since this happened, ignoring the poor cow.[/QUOTE]

That is the last post from OP that mentions what is going on with the cow. As of May 7th.

In her first post, which happens to be the same day:
Post #1
“She is still alive, but has been down all week, up for 3 minutes then down again. She tries to eat.”

My bolding, of course.

It has been 6 days from the last actual report on the cow; all the later posts from OP are actionless rants against neighbor, LEO, etc.

Do you believe there would have been silence if the cow had died?
Or been removed?

…now what would be the 3rd option?
Cow has recovered/ continues to improve.

OP hasn’t been back as there is no more opportunity for drama regarding this cow and owner/neighbor.

Someone prove me wrong.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8661726]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/watch-ag-gag-laws-silence_b_3580074.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag

AG GAG laws in a number of states and the intensive feeding/factory aka t corporate interests want to see silencing of those who question practices esp that of cruel confinement of poultry or livestock ( AG GAG laws recently over turned in 2 states but proposed in more) Big $ at stake and thus agenda driven blogs and planted posts are a way to ridicule and thus marginalize anyone who speaks out.

This particular situation /cow may or may not be abuse, and the OP may or may not be ignorant about what is being done, but she came here for guidance and got a number of posts marginalizing her as we see on other threads.[/QUOTE]

She actually got good advice. It may not have been to her liking but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t good advice.

If anybody, anywhere, sees what they believe to be criminal activity all they need do is call 911. It may be that what they saw is or is not criminal, and it may be sub-category like an A/C issue. If they do this they have done their civic duty. If The Authorities do not handle the matter in a way that the OP wishes then that is a separate and independent issue.

Unless you’re going to go the Soverien Citizen route (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement) then you’re stuck with what the senior LEO in the local organization decides.

To challenge that you’ve got to go to the political authority that provides their budget and start complaining there. That may or may not get you anywhere.

And at the end of the day The Authorities my decide that they are right and the OP is wrong. Then the best they can do is “go public.” And if that doesn’t work…it’s pretty much over.

G.

[OTTB2]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8661881]
She actually got good advice. It may not have been to her liking but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t good advice.

If anybody, anywhere, sees what they believe to be criminal activity all they need do is call 911. It may be that what they saw is or is not criminal, and it may be sub-category like an A/C issue. If they do this they have done their civic duty. If The Authorities do not handle the matter in a way that the OP wishes then that is a separate and independent issue.

Unless you’re going to go the Soverien Citizen route (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement) then you’re stuck with what the senior LEO in the local organization decides.

To challenge that you’ve got to go to the political authority that provides their budget and start complaining there. That may or may not get you anywhere.

And at the end of the day The Authorities my decide that they are right and the OP is wrong. Then the best they can do is “go public.” And if that doesn’t work…it’s pretty much over.

G.[/QUOTE]

I get that animal suffering is horrible but 911 is a little much unless there is a major reason like car struck animal ect.

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=OTTB_;8661942]
I get that animal suffering is horrible but 911 is a little much unless there is a major reason like car struck animal ect.[/QUOTE]

Some areas there is not another ‘non emergency’ number and you are told to call 911 for any contact with the police. Some areas there is no other number for animal complaints, you are told to call the police.

In other words, 911 might not be the right thing to call in some parts of the world but might be the right number to call in others.

[candyappy]

@RodeoFTW;8661049

OP herself says she has experience with cattle, so I don’t know why people are disrespecting her by saying otherwise.

By her posts alone she has proven she has no cattle owning/ care experience. What you see and video out your window is not knowledge. I personally don’t think she has a right to video her neighbor at all and find that to be unacceptable and an invasion of privacy.

Would you want someone with a video camera ( and binoculars) trained on you as you did your daily chores? Without your permission or knowledge? I wouldn’t.

There is a big difference between concerned and obsessed.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=wcporter;8661492]
erremgeee whaaaaat happened to the cooooow???111?!![/QUOTE]

Probably took The Trailer, driven by The Saddle, loaded up The Pony to go out for Guac…

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=OTTB_;8661942]
I get that animal suffering is horrible but 911 is a little much unless there is a major reason like car struck animal ect.[/QUOTE]

In that case call 911, ask them for their non-emergency number, and then call back on that.

G.