Cow dying in a local pasture. No one is doing....UPDATE on #260

[S1969]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;8661696]
Ticked off again, part 2: It really irritates me that people jump on someone who cares about an animal who may be suffering or dying. It is not being a busy body to use binoculars or to watch a neighbor’s animal which appears in distress. People act as though it is OK to let an animal suffer as long as it is not your animal. [/QUOTE]

I don’t think that’s what is happening on this thread.

The issue that got the COTHers up in arms (in my opinion) was that the OP was watching through binoculars but had not (apparently) spoken to the neighbor directly. As if hoping to prove neglect rather than prevent it.

However, it is my understanding that she did call the sheriff, and they did visit the farm. So, maybe that is law enforcement working properly?

But…it can be frustrating. I had terribly neglectful, pony hoarding neighbors, but when I called AC on them, they did not think that the case warranted legal intervention, no matter how sad. However, there is a line between “legally right” and “ethically right.” This situation was not ethically right, but apparently did not have enough teeth for AC to press charges. (e.g. no dead animals on the property.)

Maybe the OP’s neighbor has crossed that line (as my neighbor did) but watching through binoculars trying to catch criminal activity, especially after the AC/LE has visited and not taken action, is a bit obsessive. I can understand it - because I have lived it, too. I spent many angry and frustrated evenings trying to figure out how to make it different. But, unfortunately, it doesn’t always work the way we want it to work. And that really sucks when you have to watch it.

So, I don’t mean to jump on the OP, because it is possible that the animal IS being neglected, at least by the OP’s standard of care. And, having a higher standard of care than “bare minimum” is not a bad thing.

[Where_sMyWhite]

[QUOTE=S1969;8662371]
So, I don’t mean to jump on the OP, because it is possible that the animal IS being neglected, at least by the OP’s standard of care.[/QUOTE]

But, as best as we can tell, a standard of care that may not be species aware or knowledgeable.

As noted, what may be wrong for a dog or a cat or a horse may not be wrong for a cow. A bovine’s physiology isn’t not the same as an equine.

[Callista17]

I PM’d the OP yesterday- no response. Just wondering about the cow- I hate when you don’t know the ending!

[billiebob]

[QUOTE=candyappy;8661995]
By her posts alone she has proven she has no cattle owning/ care experience. What you see and video out your window is not knowledge. I personally don’t think she has a right to video her neighbor at all and find that to be unacceptable and an invasion of privacy.

Would you want someone with a video camera ( and binoculars) trained on you as you did your daily chores? Without your permission or knowledge? I wouldn’t.

There is a big difference between concerned and obsessed.[/QUOTE]

The OP lost me at “calf yanking” and I have also never heard someone who owns cattle refer to themselves as a “cattle farmer.” I have some cattle experience, not as much as others here, so I may be incorrect and there are boatloads of people who call themselves “cattle farmers” instead of “ranchers” or “cattlemen” or “cattlewomem.”

Anyway, when I was working on my family’s cattle ranch and found something that concerned me, I took a picture or video with my phone and asked one of my uncles or my granddad to explain it to me. A lot of times their treatments involved tincture of time.

[LauraKY]

Two words for those of you saying mind your own business…Mill Creek. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out and step up. Let’s hope the cow has either recovered or died.

Not everyone with livestock is an expert, not everyone with livestock even gives a happy crap if their animals suffer or not. If they did, we would have no need for animal control or animal welfare laws…everyone would automatically do the right thing.

Is the OP overreacting? Maybe. Maybe not. But I sure don’t understand the pile on. I live next door to and in front of a cattle farming operation. They don’t leave cows down for a week, they call out the vet, pull the cow into the barn, make every effort to get her up. Especially here, a downed cow is just asking for a coyote attack. They appreciate having neighbors who let them know if they see a problem. I’ve helped treat several cows out in the field. That’s what good neighbors do.

The OP is trying to do the right thing. Cut the crap.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;8662827]
Two words for those of you saying mind your own business…Mill Creek. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out and step up. Let’s hope the cow has either recovered or died.

Not everyone with livestock is an expert, not everyone with livestock even gives a happy crap if their animals suffer or not. If they did, we would have no need for animal control or animal welfare laws…everyone would automatically do the right thing.

Is the OP overreacting? Maybe. Maybe not. But I sure don’t understand the pile on. I live next door to and in front of a cattle farming operation. They don’t leave cows down for a week, they call out the vet, pull the cow into the barn, make every effort to get her up. Especially here, a downed cow is just asking for a coyote attack. They appreciate having neighbors who let them know if they see a problem. I’ve helped treat several cows out in the field. That’s what good neighbors do.

The OP is trying to do the right thing. Cut the crap.[/QUOTE]

But the OP isn’t doing anything.
Step one would be to get up close (AKA visiting) and actually talking to the owner of the cow.
But she can’t stand the guy, because he has a job, money and hired hands who do the dirty work while he goes on vacation with his family.

She accuses the man of cruelty (like ‘leaving the cows to die’ instead of shooting them - I can imagine her outcry should he actually do the deed!)
She accuses him of withholding care, in the same post she tells of him offering feed ad water, and, the gall, petting the cow!

She called LEO. They may or may not have done their job. the OP is simply too far away, as she had to admit that she can’t really tell, even with binoculars!
She sounds more interested in slandering this guy’s reputation than resolving this animal’s problem.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;8662827]
Two words for those of you saying mind your own business…Mill Creek. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out and step up. Let’s hope the cow has either recovered or died.

Not everyone with livestock is an expert, not everyone with livestock even gives a happy crap if their animals suffer or not. If they did, we would have no need for animal control or animal welfare laws…everyone would automatically do the right thing.

Is the OP overreacting? Maybe. Maybe not. But I sure don’t understand the pile on. I live next door to and in front of a cattle farming operation. They don’t leave cows down for a week, they call out the vet, pull the cow into the barn, make every effort to get her up. Especially here, a downed cow is just asking for a coyote attack. They appreciate having neighbors who let them know if they see a problem. I’ve helped treat several cows out in the field. That’s what good neighbors do.

The OP is trying to do the right thing. Cut the crap.[/QUOTE]

Who’s “piling on?” She observed something, called the authorities, and was unhappy with their their response. She voiced her unhappiness. She also got some “education” on livestock practices. Seems she didn’t like what she heard and withdrew.

Time to just “move on down the road?”

G.

[Haybert]

In some cases edumacation.

[shakeytails]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;8662827]
They don’t leave cows down for a week, they call out the vet, pull the cow into the barn, make every effort to get her up. [/QUOTE]

I’ve dealt with a few down cows- I lived on a dairy farm for a while. The occasional down cow got pulled OUT of the barn (on a plywood sled pulled by a tractor) so that she had softer ground to lay on and footing that made it easier to get up. One in particular laid out back of the barn for over a week. The only reason the vet looked at her is because he was there for something else. “Wait and see” was the instructions. Unless you watched constantly, you probably wouldn’t have seen me go out and give her food and water and flip her over from one side to the other. One morning I went to check on her and she was…wandering around the yard like nothing had ever happened.

[roseymare]

Cattle farmers is a pretty common term around here.

[Foxtrot_s]

2 cents worth - I would say there has been some ‘piling on’ here …
but I’m one of those sensitive types…

Very often I make a dry joke here and even that is taken wrong…

[billiebob]

[QUOTE=roseymare;8662977]
Cattle farmers is a pretty common term around here.[/QUOTE]

I did not know that. In my family there are “ranchers” and “farmers” and GOD FORBID you mix the two up. :lol:

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=MoonWitch;8661277]
I notice the reference to rodeo in your name. Do you realize that many people find them to be cruel and abusive?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Which is why I don’t go to them. You shouldn’t make assumptions about me from a username, I don’t even ride western.

[pandorasboxx]

She has acted. She’s called Law Enforcement 2x. If someone is neglecting an animal is such an inhumane way, I would definitely not approach them. They are already showing a disregard for life.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=pandorasboxx;8663449]
She has acted. She’s called Law Enforcement 2x. If someone is neglecting an animal is such an inhumane way, I would definitely not approach them. They are already showing a disregard for life.[/QUOTE]

Oh, good grief, we are now making the leap from guy not feeding or watering a downed cow (which the OP admitted was not the case) to assuming he is a serial killer?!
:lol:
That’s a leap, even for COTH!!!

Again: Aside from calling the cops, the OP knows nothing.
She does not even know if the cow is mistreated or neglected.

And for all we know she let the owner know how much she despises his rich ways with vacations and hired help, he might not even talk to her!

cow =/= Horse…

[RodeoFTW]

You don’t have to be a serial killer to threaten another human being. I wouldn’t blame her for feeling unsafe approaching a strange man she doesn’t have a good relationship with. Her personal safety should always be priority number one.

Can we please stop flaming the OP? She’s going to do what she thinks is right no matter how much people insult her.

[roseymare]

[QUOTE=billiebob;8663347]
I did not know that. In my family there are “ranchers” and “farmers” and GOD FORBID you mix the two up. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of a certain Rodgers and Hammerstein song…

[microbovine]

I’m sorry to read about all that happened. OP, you have a big heart. If you are ever in this position again, don’t think twice about knocking on a neighbor’s door and asking about the cow. Your encounter with the neighbor could have been entirely different. By the time it all came to LE and videos, you were on opposing sides. If you can make contact with someone about the care of animal species you aren’t familiar with, you could learn something new and perhaps have formed a friendship. As it turns out, you were both on the same side: the cow’s side. This could have all gone so differently.

[Where_sMyWhite]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8663457]
She’s going to do what she thinks is right no matter how much people insult her.[/QUOTE]

And what exactly is right about watching a neighbor from a distance and posting on a BB other than the support from the BB (and potential mutual outrage)?

Yup, she did call LE but then as best as we can all tell, she continued to pass judgement without actually knowing what is going on other than what she can see from a distance.

[FLeventer]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8663453]
Oh, good grief, we are now making the leap from guy not feeding or watering a downed cow (which the OP admitted was not the case) to assuming he is a serial killer?!
:lol:
That’s a leap, even for COTH!!!

Again: Aside from calling the cops, the OP knows nothing.
She does not even know if the cow is mistreated or neglected.

And for all we know she let the owner know how much she despises his rich ways with vacations and hired help, he might not even talk to her!

cow =/= Horse…[/QUOTE]

Yep hes like the next John Wayne Gacy. I laughed so hard at that assumption as well. My neighbor who is a complete jerk to his dogs is probably also an arsonist according to this thinking.