Cow dying in a local pasture. No one is doing....UPDATE on #260

[JBD]

[QUOTE=FLeventer;8663910]
Yep hes like the next John Wayne Gacy. I laughed so hard at that assumption as well. My neighbor who is a complete jerk to his dogs is probably also an arsonist according to this thinking.[/QUOTE]

Personally I would figure someone who is a jerk to his dogs is NOT someone with whom I could have a reasonable discussion about dogs. I’d also leap to the conclusion that he is an a-hole and not feel bad at all about putting him in the “who knows what he’s capable of” category.

How you treat those who depend on you is a real measure of what kind of person you are.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=JBD;8663934]
Personally I would figure someone who is a jerk to his dogs is NOT someone with whom I could have a reasonable discussion about dogs. I’d also leap to the conclusion that he is an a-hole and not feel bad at all about putting him in the “who knows what he’s capable of” category.

How you treat those who depend on you is a real measure of what kind of person you are.[/QUOTE]

But it’s so subjective these days whether ‘being a jerk’ is an actual infraction or simply demanding the animal to obey certain perimeters.
Unless he sets them on fire, you don’t need necessarily expect he is a dangerous individual to humans.

[Color_of_Light]

Update: He said “she is fine”, didn’t want help. LE possibly motivated him \a little// when he found out that people are taking notice of a cow laying in the same spot for days on end…to give a little food and a little water…she actually had a bucket out there one day a week ago. Why not take garbage cans full of water and bring her a water trough, I have no idea. Last weekend I saw him poking her with a stick, not giving food or water, then going back yard work. Then he was cutting the already short grass in the pasture. She is still laying down, eating while down, whatever she can reach. What is she to do when the grass is all cut short?

She is not fine, but is still alive and still partially paralyzed. I’ve seen her sitting up like a dog and scooting around so that she can reach a different patch of grass. She is standing more, hobbling about with crippled hind legs. One hind leg is worse, cannot be straightened, hoof cannot touch the ground, the entire leg is very forward and under her, all crumpled up. Her pelvis is hunched under her body. Her tail is sticking out, possibly for balance. It looks like there might be tearing, partial prolapse or something isn’t right in her private parts. Too far away to see details.

If calving paralysis is not treated promptly, nerves and muscle will degenerate, die, and the damage is permanent. Her future does not look kind or bright. Crippled, living in a hilly pasture with the water at the top of the hill, and eventually subject to a 1500-2000 pound bull trying to mount and breed her…when she can barely hold herself up the way she is. I cannot imagine how she would fair if she was carrying a full term calf as she’s dragging herself around trying to eat and drink. Hopefully she can survive carrying a calve and calving again. Or if she doesn’t, I hope she passes quickly and with less pain and suffering.

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8662836]
But the OP isn’t doing anything.
Step one would be to get up close (AKA visiting) and actually talking to the owner of the cow.
But she can’t stand the guy, because he has a job, money and hired hands who do the dirty work while he goes on vacation with his family.

She accuses the man of cruelty (like ‘leaving the cows to die’ instead of shooting them - I can imagine her outcry should he actually do the deed!)
She accuses him of withholding care, in the same post she tells of him offering feed ad water, and, the gall, petting the cow!

She called LEO. They may or may not have done their job. the OP is simply too far away, as she had to admit that she can’t really tell, even with binoculars!
She sounds more interested in slandering this guy’s reputation than resolving this animal’s problem.[/QUOTE]

Right, Alagirl. Sounds like you know it all about the situation, now don’t you?:lol::lol: Your vileness is cracking me up!

[Callista17]

Thanks for the update OP!

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=Callista17;8664170]
Thanks for the update OP![/QUOTE]

You’re welcome, Callista17!

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664183]
You’re welcome, Callista17![/QUOTE]

Yes thanks for the update. At least something happened.

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;8664192]
Yes thanks for the update. At least something happened.[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome. Sad outcome, because she is still suffering. Totally unnecessary, and likely reversed, if treated properly in a timely manner. Various degrees of suffering will continue until she dies on her own or he puts her out of her misery.

[RodeoFTW]

Did you talk to LE yourself?

[candyappy]

[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664164]
Update: He said “she is fine”, didn’t want help. LE possibly motivated him \a little// when he found out that people are taking notice of a cow laying in the same spot for days on end…to give a little food and a little water…she actually had a bucket out there one day a week ago. Why not take garbage cans full of water and bring her a water trough, I have no idea. Last weekend I saw him poking her with a stick, not giving food or water, then going back yard work. Then he was cutting the already short grass in the pasture. She is still laying down, eating while down, whatever she can reach. What is she to do when the grass is all cut short?

She is not fine, but is still alive and still partially paralyzed. I’ve seen her sitting up like a dog and scooting around so that she can reach a different patch of grass. She is standing more, hobbling about with crippled hind legs. One hind leg is worse, cannot be straightened, hoof cannot touch the ground, the entire leg is very forward and under her, all crumpled up. Her pelvis is hunched under her body. Her tail is sticking out, possibly for balance. It looks like there might be tearing, partial prolapse or something isn’t right in her private parts. Too far away to see details.

If calving paralysis is not treated promptly, nerves and muscle will degenerate, die, and the damage is permanent. Her future does not look kind or bright. Crippled, living in a hilly pasture with the water at the top of the hill, and eventually subject to a 1500-2000 pound bull trying to mount and breed her…when she can barely hold herself up the way she is. I cannot imagine how she would fair if she was carrying a full term calf as she’s dragging herself around trying to eat and drink. Hopefully she can survive carrying a calve and calving again. Or if she doesn’t, I hope she passes quickly and with less pain and suffering.[/QUOTE]

If it has been over a week now and she is getting up on her own, then you need to admit you were wrong about the fact that he wasn’t caring for her. I realize that he isn’t caring for her in the way I would if it were my cow ( i do have cows) but the fact that she has the strength to get up after all this time is proof she wasn’t just left to die.

It is true that she still has a slim chance of making a full recovery and a greater chance of being knocked down by the other cows if someone is in heat anytime soon, but sadly there is nothing that can be done about it unless you buy her and bring her home.

Why not make him an offer he can’t refuse?

[RodeoFTW]

It’s not the op’s responsibility to take care of her neighbor’s injured animal. >_>

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8664205]
Did you talk to LE yourself?[/QUOTE]

Yes. I called them twice and was assured a LEO had stopped by. So then 6 days after the calf was pulled, she was still in the same place, I called LE. Those first 6 days, I never saw food or water. After calling LE, I at least saw remnants of a pile of hay (immediately inhaled by rest of herd) a few times and that he offered her sips of water and left a bucket once. Doubt anywhere near the 20 gallons daily they usually drink, but it was enough to barely keep her alive.

[RodeoFTW]

Maybe it’s time to see if there’s an ascpa nearby.

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=candyappy;8664227]
If it has been over a week now and she is getting up on her own, then you need to admit you were wrong about the fact that he wasn’t caring for her. I realize that he isn’t caring for her in the way I would if it were my cow ( i do have cows) but the fact that she has the strength to get up after all this time is proof she wasn’t just left to die.

It is true that she still has a slim chance of making a full recovery and a greater chance of being knocked down by the other cows if someone is in heat anytime soon, but sadly there is nothing that can be done about it unless you buy her and bring her home.

Why not make him an offer he can’t refuse?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I’m not going to admit that I was wrong…about something that did not appear to be happening (food and water) up until AFTER I called LE on Day 6. She barely moved those 6 days and was barely alive. We had days in the 80’s that week (no shade for her), mixed with 60’s. Whatever she received was minimal. She was barely alive, skeletal, not moving, not standing.

Owner pretty much ignored her until Day 7, after I called LE Day 6. Right after he pulled her calf out, he never even went back to her to inspected her, didn’t give her food or water, and instead immediately started tinkering elsewhere on the property. A caring owner would at least inspect her, offer food and water. Not just walk away. :no:

It was only after Day 6, me calling LE, that owner started to pay more attention to her. So of course, now she has pulled through, due to my call to LE, and just enough food and water to barely stay alive. Whatever minimal food and water was enough to give her strength to drag herself to a better patch of grass, and is now much stronger overall.

[Color_of_Light]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8664275]
Maybe it’s time to see if there’s an ascpa nearby.[/QUOTE]

She’s alive but crippled now. Not sure they’d be able to do much.

[cloudyandcallie]

OP, go to the nearest tv station or call them and tell them about this situation. I did this all the time in Atlanta and it worked. When animal control won’t act, reporters will and then everyone calls in and gets the locals to do their job. (I spent a lot of time in Atlanta with animal rescues and also with taking up for those who did take care of their animals. It’s not over reacting to make sure that animals are taken care of.)

And yes, I’ve seen cows who had complications from calving. And some died. But none lay around for days like this one that you care about has done.

Ignore those who don’t know cows and don’t know horses (why are they on this board if they don’t have and never have had anything to do with horses?) but like to poke and joke at the neglect of animals.

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664296]
She’s alive but crippled now. Not sure they’d be able to do much.[/QUOTE]

Ascpa will seize neglected and abused animals. They also will take the owner to court if there’s a criminal case.

Cloudyandcallie is right, you should just send the tapes to some local news stations.

Just ignore the haters.

[roseymare]

Cutting grass often makes it more palatable.
I still don’t understand why you think think this cow would be better in a barn. Do you want her to have been euthanized and not given a chance to heal?

And without water for six days she would have been dead.

[dotneko]

Great, OP! You spoke to the owner then. You offered, they refused.
Did he say anything else to you?

[sascha]

[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664286]
Right after he pulled her calf out, he never even went back to her to inspected her, didn’t give her food or water, and instead immediately started tinkering elsewhere on the property. A caring owner would at least inspect her, offer food and water. Not just walk away. :no: [/QUOTE]

How long does it take for a “caring owner” to check a calved out cow? Should it be longer than your bathroom break? Or have you been wearing Depends this last week so you don’t have to take them :lol:

It doesn’t take long to check a cow. They are either well and fine. Sick and needing attention which doesn’t take a long time, because fawning over and wringing hands about it does nothing for a farmer that GASP has other things to do on the property. Life can’t stop for a sick cow. Oh, I digressed for a second, or, the cow is sick or lame with little to do but offer Dr. Green, Tincture of Time, steroids, and anti-inflammatories. Dosing a cow with banamine and dexamethasone takes but moments in a 24 hour period.

Although I too disagree with pulling a calf with a tractor, I can’t out of hand disagree with the way the cow is being treated for her illness or injury without having a whole lot more information and a whole lot less emotion.

A cow without water for 6 days is deadstock. I’m sorry, but some of your information isn’t, can’t possibly be, accurate.

I hope the cow recovers, but am doubtful. I’m reasonably certain from the bit of information that you give between hand wringings that a cow in that shape would be shot or euthanized at my workplace. It doesn’t make economic sense to keep a crippled cow around. And with that, ack, your livestock shipping laws are outdated. The owner may be waiting for her to recover just enough (and/or expel any meds from her system) to send to slaughter. On this side of the border we have laws that prevent that particular brand of cruelty. Sadly those laws haven’t drifted south of the border just yet.

If it is calving paralysis, it can take weeks for recovery. Any sort of nerve damage is a crap shoot. I’ve seen radial nerve paralysis in an older cow (who knows what happened in the barn between the hours of midnight and 3:30am) who I was sure was a goner. Nope, she got a loader (yes, in a large FEL on a GASP tractor and lemme tell ya, getting a down cow into a loader is not a pretty, nor fun thing to have to do) ride to a hospital pen in another part of the barn and recovered fully in a couple of weeks. You just can’t always tell with cows. They are tough and also at time terribly fragile.