Interesting find – many use Crest toothpaste with good success in getting rids of sarcoids. I read or heard somewhere that “Sanguinaria” is a major Anti-plaque ingredient used in the toothpaste.
Interestingly, BLOODROOT is the ‘anti-cancer’ herb and the main ingredient in Xterra … .the very EXPENSIVE treatment one can get from the vets to treat sarcoids.
The correlation? BLOODROOT is “Sanguinaria canadensis”
Now we know why Crest toothpaste is so effective for removing Sarcoids!
Funny, but according to the Materials Safety Data sheet for Crest toothpaste (where they have to show all ingredients) there is no mention of Sanguinaria. They list Water, sodium flouride, hydrated silica, sorbitol, trisodium phosphate, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium phosphate, xanthan gum, flavoring, titanium dioxide, carbomer 956, saccaharin, FD&C Blue No.1 and mica.
My money is on the silica and sodium phosphates acting as caustic agents is why is works.
Now there’s an intuitive leap for the ages! :lol:
“Many use Crest toothpaste”. Really? How many.
“I read or heard somewhere”. Really? Where?
"Now we know why . . . ". REALLY? That’s all it takes to know something? :rolleyes: I want a degree from your university–would take about 10 minutes, no research or facts required, just draw a random conclusion and boom–there you are. :lol:
I’ve never heard of this. 
Actually, I have heard of it - and have even used it with success (and without success another time). My guess: the fluoride is the active agent. Fluorides are great for strengthening teeth, in small doses, but are also very effective at causing deep ulcerating wounds. So my conjecture is that the fluoride essentially burns out the sarcoid (an inelegant, lay description).
The sarcoid on which it was effective was small and right at the girth. I put on the toothpaste, cleaned it off and reapplied periodically (application was guesswork, and it was five or so years ago). The area developed a crustiness, with a sore revealed when the crusty scab/toothpaste residue was removed. It healed up easily, and the sarcoid hasn’t recurred.
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Interesting find – many use Crest toothpaste with good success in getting rids of sarcoids. I read or heard somewhere that “Sanguinaria” is a major Anti-plaque ingredient used in the toothpaste.
Interestingly, BLOODROOT is the ‘anti-cancer’ herb and the main ingredient in Xterra … .the very EXPENSIVE treatment one can get from the vets to treat sarcoids.
The correlation? BLOODROOT is “Sanguinaria canadensis”
Now we know why Crest toothpaste is so effective for removing Sarcoids![/QUOTE]
What a load of tosh!
Sheesh – how did I forget about my favorite stalkers??? I should have figured if I blow my nose or blink and eye that they’d be here right after me!
deltawave – you have the resources as a big Cardiologist with too much time on her hands to look this up yourself.
Thomas – no reply to your ‘tosh’ Perhaps they do things differently in your country?
As for how many? Over the years, REPEATEDLY, I’ve seen Crest toothpaste being suggested as a curative for sarcoids.
If anyone is that interested, I’m sure they can do some research themselves.
Here’s just a couple off the top of Google:
“Some antiplaque agents include triclosan, papain, and sanguinaria extract.” http://images.benco.com/pdf_files/cecourses/toothpaste_ingredients.pdf Pages 102-103:
“Sanguinarine-containing toothpaste and oral rinse significantly inhibited the redevelopment of gingivitis through the 12 weeks following the chlorhexidine phase compared to the control toothpaste and rinse. Patients in the test group had 26% fewer bleeding sites at 8 weeks, and 32% fewer at 14 weeks, than the control group.” --Effectiveness of a Sanguinarine Regimen After Scaling and Root Planing
http://www.joponline.org/doi/abs/10.1902/jop.1999.70.3.307
“The United States FDA has approved the inclusion of sanguinarine in toothpastes as an antibacterial or anti-plaque agent”
^ Godowski KC (1989). “Antimicrobial action of sanguinarine”. J Clin Dent 1 (4): 96–101. PMID 2700895.
Have fun, Boys and Girls!
Oh, BTW … look up the ingredients for Xxterra and see what you come up with. It ain’t roses.
Wow. You’re a regular ray of light, aren’t you?
You posted something. People replied. They don’t all have to agree with you, ya know…
If my horse gets a sarcoid, I’m going to use the vet-prescribed treatment. And I’m betting that’s not toothpaste.
—"As for how many? Over the years, REPEATEDLY, I’ve seen Crest toothpaste being suggested as a curative for sarcoids. "—
I can say, as you do, that “Over the years, REPEATEDLY”, I have seen migratory birds go South in the fall and have seen most leaves in deciduous trees turn beautiful colors and eventually blow off.
Should we assume and insist that, if the birds would not fly by going South one fall, the leaves then won’t turn colors and drop?:eek:
Cause and effect, when you want to make a statement about their correlation, genearlly requires this little pesky thing called PROOF.
What we think or testimonials, well, are not really PROOF, no matter how much someone insist.
No one is stalking anyone.
When posting some way out there ideas without much to go by, mere assumptions, no matter WHO posts them, there will be questions.
Just pony up for the xxtera. It works, it lasts forever, and it’s less expensive than surgery.
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Sheesh – how did I forget about my favorite stalkers??? I should have figured if I blow my nose or blink and eye that they’d be here right after me! [/QUOTE] I see your imagination isn’t confined to junk science.
I think you’ll find it’s a bulletin board. Someone posts and someone replies.
Someone posts something that’s tosh and you’re likely to get several folks reply fairly forthrightly to say as much.
The fact that people disagree with you doesn’t mean you’re being stalked! Consider this. They might just be replying and because you’re wrong!
When you’ve a little time just count how many times I’ve actually replied to one of your postings. If you can manage to do that, then I think you’ll discover that this is one of the occasional times I’ve decided to reply and because you’re posting total garbage which is neither helpful to horses nor owners.
Replying ISN’T stalking so get over yourself.
Thomas – no reply to your ‘tosh’ Perhaps they do things differently in your country?
I think they do in yours too. At least they certainly do in the parts of the USA I’ve been to. Seems other Americans think you’re talking tosh too yet they’re in your country. Though seemingly you’re in another world and on another planet!
As for how many? Over the years, REPEATEDLY, I’ve seen Crest toothpaste being suggested as a curative for sarcoids.
Indeed. Just the same as you get some very strange advice from time to time about rubbing steak on warts and burying it or not having vaccinations because they’re a pharmaceutical manufacturer’s conspiracy.
But hey some folks are mad as hatters and would rather mess about and risk the health of their animals and even themselves before resorting to proper treatment. So we have folks suggesting crest and listerine for what is a sort of skin cancer.
Makes me wonder why there’s a shed load of money spent on developing decent treatments if all you need is some toothpaste and a passive aggressive manner and a mass of inane ideas.
This is in my opinion one of the best online information sources for those who do actually want to know about sarcoids and their treatment. Not a single mention of toothpaste! But heck, what would they know. They’re just a bunch of scientists and experts!
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Interesting find – many use Crest toothpaste with good success in getting rids of sarcoids. I read or heard somewhere that “Sanguinaria” is a major Anti-plaque ingredient used in the toothpaste.
Interestingly, BLOODROOT is the ‘anti-cancer’ herb and the main ingredient in Xterra … .the very EXPENSIVE treatment one can get from the vets to treat sarcoids.
The correlation? BLOODROOT is “Sanguinaria canadensis”
Now we know why Crest toothpaste is so effective for removing Sarcoids![/QUOTE]
you failed to mention
Salves derived from bloodroot cannot be relied on to remove an entire malignant tumor. Microscopic tumor deposits may remain after visible tumor tissue is burned away, and case reports have shown that in such instances tumor has recurred and/or metastasized
in other words - it makes spread to other parts of the body
We used Aldara cream for my gelding’s Varicose sarcoid…pricey, but got rid of it in four treatments.
I have no idea who the OP is and what the history here is.
But, I will say that I DID INDEED treat my horse’s sarcoid SUCCESSFULLY with Crest toothpaste (has to be the original, old-fashioned paste.) And it has not returned in the 7+ years since. We were at the vet for an unrelated issue towards the end of the treatment. The vet (this was at Texas A&M) said he has recommended that treatment and it does work in many cases.
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I have no idea who the OP is and what the history here is.
But, I will say that I DID INDEED treat my horse’s sarcoid SUCCESSFULLY with Crest toothpaste (has to be the original, old-fashioned paste.) And it has not returned in the 7+ years since. We were at the vet for an unrelated issue towards the end of the treatment. The vet (this was at Texas A&M) said he has recommended that treatment and it does work in many cases.[/QUOTE]
depends on the sarcoid as they are unpricdictable
so far you have been a lucky one
So Google informs you that an herbal product has anti-gingivitis properties.
Then you make the leap to the presumption that CREST toothpaste contains this ingredient, all evidence to the contrary. (My tube of Crest contains no such ingredient)
Then you make the leap that since you’ve heard people use toothpaste for sarcoids AND that this ingredient might be in some tooth products to the conclusion that CREST not only contains something that’s not on the label, but that it is THIS ingredient (whether it’s in there or not) that “works”. Never mind the intensely irritating and caustic properties of sodium bicarbonate and all the other stuff in there.
THEN you draw links to cancer . . . ?
Sorry, I’m a little seasick at the moment with all these random flights of thought. :lol:
Why not hypothesize that an herbal ingredient might be helpful for a problem and then look for evidence to support the hypothesis, rather than torturing random snips of information (from Google, no less, must be factual) into a conclusion?
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So Google informs you that an herbal product has anti-gingivitis properties.
Then you make the leap to the presumption that CREST toothpaste contains this ingredient, all evidence to the contrary. (My tube of Crest contains no such ingredient)
Then you make the leap that since you’ve heard people use toothpaste for sarcoids AND that this ingredient might be in some tooth products to the conclusion that CREST not only contains something that’s not on the label, but that it is THIS ingredient (whether it’s in there or not) that “works”. Never mind the intensely irritating and caustic properties of sodium bicarbonate and all the other stuff in there.
THEN you draw links to cancer . . . ?
Sorry, I’m a little seasick at the moment with all these random flights of thought. :lol:
Why not hypothesize that an herbal ingredient might be helpful for a problem and then look for evidence to support the hypothesis, rather than torturing random snips of information (from Google, no less, must be factual) into a conclusion?[/QUOTE]
If you do a little bit of reading on Sanguinaria yourself, you’ll find references to cancer treatments AND in a couple of the journal articles that I posted (and others) you’ll see references there, as well.
Please – don’t ever take MY word on anything – think and research for yourself. I only put stuff out for people to think on. That’s not a crime, is it? Alternative and complementary medicines DO WORK … even though the ‘in vitro’ people don’t like to admit it. Read up for yourself.
For the life of me I cannot find the reference to the Crest but I KNOW I saw it earlier today – that’s what spurred me onto this whole thing. I will find it and post it when I do.
Only one small problem: Crest does not contain Sanguinarine, which despite the fact two people mentioned this, you still were able to overlook it.
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Only one small problem: Crest does not contain Sanguinarine, which despite the fact two people mentioned this, you still were able to overlook it.[/QUOTE]
Read my last post. I did read, just this morning, about Sanguinaria and Crest toothpste – as I said, that’s what started this whole thinking. I just cannot find where I read it as I went off to other pages from there.
I cured a sarcoid once by looking at it…
really, that’s all I did, it was on my mares neck (one of the flat kind, about 2 inches in diameter) and every day I looked at it… It took a while, a year or so of looking, but one day it started getting smaller… Then I looked at it even more! And one day it was gone, never to return…
Then just to make sure I really had the power, I did the same thing with another horse that had a very similar sarcoid a few years later… oddly enough it was the original mare’s daughter… I made that one go away too!
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