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Read my last post. I did read, just this morning, about Sanguinaria and Crest toothpste – as I said, that’s what started this whole thinking. I just cannot find where I read it as I went off to other pages from there.[/QUOTE]
so you read about the two of them so what. fact remains, there IS NO SANGUINARIA in Crest toothpaste as RAyers unequivocally pointed out.
well, I will admit I did apply Crest to a sarcoid and indeed it did a) stop increasing in size and b) ultimately disappeared. But sarcoids have been known to wax and wane so I’m not sure the Crest did anything, but I was only out a few bucks and the horse wasn’t being remotely bothered by the thing at the time.
However this should not encourage anyone to leap to the conclusion that Crest contains sanguinaria, unless one happens to see a pig fly off the rooftop (Cincinnati exempted, of course). In that case take your leap with the pig.
I just cannot find where I read it as I went off to other pages from there.
Try “pages” in a journal or textbook instead of Google, maybe?
Remember, FIRST you get an idea, THEN you look for evidence to support, THEN you validate your sources, THEN you draw conclusions. No fair skipping steps 1-3 and no fair going backwards. 
" Constituent
* Therapeutic agents
* (Active components)
Examples (Crest)
* Fluoride
* Triclosan
* Metal ions
* Sanguinarine
* Surface-active subst.
* Chlorhexidine
Purpose
* In general:
* reduce caries
* antimicrobial
* inhibit tartar formation
* desensitization
* anti-inflammatory
* Active substances must not be deactivated by the other ingredients."
Well, maybe the Naval postgrad dental school made a mistake, tho …
I’ve used Crest toothpaste with some success on my gelding. It worked. Got rid of the sarcoid within about a month or two. All I did was apply the toothpaste when I remembered (couple times a week) and eventually it dried up and fell off. Sarcoid was originally about a nickel in size and had been there for a few years. Hasn’t come back yet… and that was about a year and a half ago.
So, not sure why it worked. I read about it on CoTH. Was worth a shot… cheap and didn’t hurt anything (and not messy like the Xxterra is).
Anyways, just my two cents. :winkgrin:
Honestly, Gwen, you are quite dense atvtimes. That document lists aany number of things that might or might not have ever been used in a tooth care product. It does not in any way, shape or form state that sanguinarium is in Crest. Nor is therw chlorhexidene, although that’s in the same list.
It’s like you’re insisting that chocolate ice cream is really strawberry based on a list of all of the ingredients that an ice cream factory might ever have had on hand, which includes “strawberries”.
What Google terms did you use to find that pearl of irrelevant information?
if you want to support your hypothesis that sanguinarium cures
sarcoids, maybe start with a product that actually CONTAINS it?
Like Xterra, maybe?
Delta – you have such a cordial way about you. :rolleyes:
Ok, so I was wrong to think that Crest listed in a naval course listing ingredients was not what it was appearing to be. Colgate was specified further on down for other reasons. I assumed that the Crest and Colgate were specific for examples so am not convinced I am wrong. That is what caught my eye, though, and that is what precipitated this whole line of thinking. It was worth a shot, I guess … so what IS in Crest toothpaste that gets rid of sarcoids if not sanguinaria? If it is silica, as you suggested Delta, why is Crest the ONLY toothpaste that is recommended and reputed to be effective. Do other toothpastes not have silica in them?
I wanted to know why Crest works on them. I know Sanguinaria (Bloodroot) works; I know Crest works. I know the homeopathic Thuja works. I know what Sang and Thuja both are but wanted to know what was in the Crest. So, anyone else have any ideas?
Maybe no one ever tried any other brand of toothpaste, just said Crest because that is the most popular available brand of toothpaste. Maybe others would work just as well (however ‘well’ that would be), excepting Tom’s of Maine of course.
PS do you read your threads? Someone suggested it might be the fluoride, a page ago.
From what I understand (from multiple resources of anecdotal AND veterinary suggestions – just (horrors!) google “Crest for sarcoids” and see what you come up with) Crest is specific. Other toothpastes have fluoride in them … but other toothpastes are not suggested.
I said nothing about silica.
The assumption that “crest works for sarcoids” cannot be stated as fact. Mentioned, reputed, and recommended are not synonymous with known or proven.
Read the labels on toothpaste tubes. Virtually identical. Probably the reason crest is always mentioned is because viral spread of anecdotes tends to retain little factoids like this. Someone “hears or reads” it was crest and when the story is passed along, the brand goes along for the ride.
Back to square one: “why does crest work on sarcoids?” is not a real hypothesis. “DOES crest work on sarcoids?” is. Next step is to find a few dozen sarcoids, treat half with crest and half with placebo, then count lumps.
Speaking of sanguinarine
Try Viadent…but then again maybe not since they removed the sanguinarine
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I said nothing about silica.[/QUOTE]
My apologies. It was RAyers.
Speaking of sanguinarine
Wow, that’s what you call “the rest of the story”. Wonder if the OP will read it, or if the point will come across.
Since then, other brands of toothpaste containing sanguinarine have come on to the market. While Colgate has since replaced sanguinarine in its Viadent products with another anti-bacterial agent, Allen warns people to watch out for the ingredient in other brands of dental products.
“I’d be concerned if sanguinarine was the active ingredient in my toothpaste or mouth wash,” he said. “There are a lot of folks who think that if something is natural, it must be good for them. That’s not always the case.”
Natural. Safe. Not interchangeable.
I did read the report on the removal of Sanguinaria from Viadent. Thanks for that info. I also am very aware that because something is ‘natural’ that its not necessarily ‘safe’ … one does need to look at all sides and assess the level of danger - just as with anything in life! I’m one of the first people to say, “Herbs are MEDICINES” and must be treated as such. The results of using Bloodroot on sarcoids is one of the reasons I chose to use Crest toothpaste, instead, on a plum-sized sarcoid on the base of my TB’s ear. I didn’t want to cause a ‘crater’ on that delicate area while the sarcoid healed! The Crest has done its job – the sarcoid has gone from the size of a plum to the size of a grape and is still peeling off layers (if I remember to use the Crest). And no, I don’t have photos of the original sized sarcoid but do have a number of ‘witnesses’ who saw it ‘live’ and can now see the drastic reduction in the size. Perhaps I’ll start with the Crest again on a regular basis and document with photos.
At any rate … for whatever reason, containing whatever ingredient, Crest toothpaste can and does get rid of Equine Sarcoids. Lacking ‘in vitro’ studies, the support of anecdotal evidence is overwhelmingly testimonial to its efficacy. (Just Google “Equine Sarcoids + Crest Toothpaste” to see how many have posted to their own results)
I WILL find out why – what the ingredient in it is that works! I’m still not convinced its NOT Sanguinaria and I’m still not convinced, nor do I believe, that the ingredients are always 100% divulged for products on the market as they are ‘supposed’ to be. Just take a look at our food products –
Now Delta – why accept what someone else posts from the internet but every time I post something you admonish me to read textbooks and ‘real’ pages? You don’t accept what I’ve found in the way of journal reports, etc cause they’re from the internet? Isn’t that rather cynical or disingenuous?
Now Delta – why accept what someone else posts from the internet but every time I post something you admonish me to read textbooks and ‘real’ pages? You don’t accept what I’ve found in the way of journal reports, etc cause they’re from the internet? Isn’t that rather cynical or disingenuous?
Several reasons.
It ain’t the internet’s fault that there’s a lot of crap floating around. It is the consumer’s responsibility to sift through it and find the information that is legitimate and worth hard drive space in our brains. Your sifting is seriously impaired, historically.
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At any rate … for whatever reason, containing whatever ingredient, Crest toothpaste can and does get rid of Equine Sarcoids. [/QUOTE]
Am I the only one aghasted you would use CHEMICALS on a horse? :lol:
Historically, anything that does not fit your medical/scientific thinking is considered nonsensical and pseudoscientific. Therefore, in your opinion, you consider it ranting. Others may benefit from the info put forth as they think differently than you do, as, obviously, do I.
- The citations Androcles provided in this case is from a legitimate institution engaged in actual, scientific research.
- Androcles didn’t just cut and paste a “relevant” citation without actually reading or comprehending the content. Something you do on a regular basis.
I read and I comprehend. I don’t have a problem with that. I also chain info together with other info that I might have to form a personal opinion/conclusion OR … to find answers. I enjoy posting what I find to ‘brainstorm’ with others. But apparently, brainstorming is fast becoming a lost art. One is either right or wrong.
It ain’t the internet’s fault that there’s a lot of crap floating around. It is the consumer’s responsibility to sift through it and find the information that is legitimate and worth hard drive space in our brains. Your sifting is seriously impaired, historically.
That’s your ‘opinion’ and opinions are like- well, you know whats- and everyone’s got one.
Huh, Crest works for a lot of stuff.
When I was a teen it was rumored to be the end all/be all cure for acne.
And poison ivy.
And cold sores.
And warts.
Basically anything that needed drying up or to be irritated enough that the body recognized something needed an attack.
And depending on who you got the info from…it was either Crest or Colgate. As long as it was paste form and not gel.
With wart removel, dermatologists will give someone a gel that has interferon (sp?) in it, a tiny bit dabbed on a wart will cause the body to “recognize” it as foreign and attack it. because sometimes a wart or similar growth isn’t noticed by the immune system as Not Wanted and it ignores it until you put something allergy causing or irritating on it. The salve doesn’t kill the wart itself, it just causes the body to attack the wart on it’s own and it works pretty well. I had an issue with getting some warts on my hands a few years ago during one of the times I had Lyme and then also got really sick from being overly tired, so my immune system was not working so well. And a low immune system and having horses/barn and having small cuts on your hands can mean warts. Blech.
So possibly toothpaste (not necessarily Crest, most toothpastes) will irritate the skin over a sarcoid enough for the body’s immune system to get pissed off.
What are we talking about here? Did Caballus edit something out of her post referring to me?
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At any rate … for whatever reason, containing whatever ingredient, Crest toothpaste can and does get rid of Equine Sarcoids. Lacking ‘in vitro’ studies, the support of anecdotal evidence is overwhelmingly testimonial to its efficacy. (Just Google “Equine Sarcoids + Crest Toothpaste” to see how many have posted to their own results) [/QUOTE]
Maybe other toothpastes are just as effective (or ineffective) but no one has tried them, only Crest, so that is the only one we know about. Why don’t you conduct your own study - try other toothpastes ans see what happens?
I WILL find out why – what the ingredient in it is that works! I’m still not convinced its NOT Sanguinaria and I’m still not convinced,
Whoa! Gwen is on the case. And WILL find out why it works! Including one hypothesis that there really is sanguinaria in there, we’re just not being told. Wow talk about trying to rearrange information to suit your original, precious, hypothesis! You are very close to the edge, you should probably take a step back.
nor do I believe, that the ingredients are always 100% divulged for products on the market as they are ‘supposed’ to be. Just take a look at our food products –
HUH? and, WTF? So now there is a grand conspiracy that our food is loaded with all sorts of ingredients ‘they’re’ not divulging? In fact food labeling (and the product labeling RAyers sourced) are probably some of the few things that can be trusted for information. The ingredient may not be any good for you, but it’s listed!
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