[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7897087]
I did not lie.
I said, “you first.”
CMNewell, DVM
Happy now?[/QUOTE]
Not really… I googled you but there were no results. Do you have a website? Who you work for?
My wife, cutter99, has asked me to view this thread and I find it astonishing. Let me start by stating that I have a BS, MS and PhD in animal science from a well-known University in the United States, taught there for two decades, worked in the feed and SUPPLEMENT industry for 6 years before my current employment. You may address me in this thread as Dr. Cutter99.
There are numerous inaccuracies posted by CA in this thread and on her website, and I will not repeat all of them again. It is obvious that CA does not have any formal training in nutrition or she would have no reservations about disclosing that information.
Most importantly, to me, is her gross disregard (this thread and her website) for state and federal statutes regulating feed labeling and claims (health or otherwise). Her product label does not conform to AAFCO standards and is therefore in violation of state laws. Without appropriate descriptions of the physiological status of horses (pregnant broodmares, lactating broodmares and foals, stallions, performance horses in extreme work, ‘pasture pets’ in minimal exercise, etc.) to be fed this product…it is misbranded/mislabeled. Also, without specific feeding recommendations (i.e., feed at a rate of 0.25-0.50 lbs daily per 100 lbs of bodyweight, etc.)…it is misbranded/mislabeled.
Couple this with the gross fallacies and misinformation posted in this thread and on the CA website…caveat emptor…buyer beware!!!
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[QUOTE=Simkie;7897043]
I “know” Ghazzu in that I’ve been reading her posts for … damned near 20 years. First on req.eq and now here. I even asked her to PPE a horse for me once (wasn’t her locale, but she recommended a guy who was in the area.) I have more respect and trust for her knowledge than I do for yours.[/QUOTE]
Jeebus, Simkie. You’re making me feel old…<G>
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7897095]
The Trilateral Commission[/QUOTE]
Is this you? http://www.angelfire.com/az/eqmassryder/newell.html
[QUOTE=cryptoaero;7897117]
Is this you? http://www.angelfire.com/az/eqmassryder/newell.html[/QUOTE]
Yowza, that’s a blast from the past!
Not a clue how I turned up under “equine massage”, but yes, that is a photograph done by Carole MacDonald of yours truly and my wonderful gelding Araba Tigris.
We were doing a musical costume ride at NEDA’s Gore Place Festival.
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So since nobody wishes to reveal their real names, I am leaving this discussion.
What am I,chopped liver?
I complied with your irrelevant request.
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[QUOTE=cryptoaero;7897077]
Hi- there is no GMO in my feed. It is all wholefood. Thank you for your input. What is your name? Thank you, Anna Frensemeyer.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have no concept of what a GMO is, so keep believing that, but in fact: All grains and hays have been domesticated and are therefore GMO to have a domesticated form. There genetics have been modified to produce more grain per stalk, or whatever qualities are desired for each type of hay. So they are ALL GMOs. Read a book or something, PLEASE.
Actually, you are subject to recalls if your grain is not within the acceptable ranges of what is on the label. If your feed isn’t dried properly and goes rancid, you are also subject to recalls. You can do just as much damage (and probably more) with your so-called “whole” feed than any other feed feed company. If it is proven that your feed is, in fact, dangerous for metabolic horses and you have been claiming otherwise. You will also be subject to recalls and probably lawsuits as well.
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Just curious- is the horse this feed was founded for still living?
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7897136]
What am I,chopped liver?
I complied with your irrelevant request.[/QUOTE]
You stated to be a 'teaching veterinarian". At what university, please?
[QUOTE=yourcolorfuladdiction;7897139]
You seem to have no concept of what a GMO is, so keep believing that, but in fact: All grains and hays have been domesticated and are therefore GMO to have a domesticated form. There genetics have been modified to produce more grain per stalk, or whatever qualities are desired for each type of hay. So they are ALL GMOs. Read a book or something, PLEASE.
Actually, you are subject to recalls if your grain is not within the acceptable ranges of what is on the label. If your feed isn’t dried properly and goes rancid, you are also subject to recalls. You can do just as much damage (and probably more) with your so-called “whole” feed than any other feed feed company. If it is proven that your feed is, in fact, dangerous for metabolic horses and you have been claiming otherwise. You will also be subject to recalls and probably lawsuits as well.[/QUOTE]
Bring it on! Can’t wait! 
[QUOTE=cryptoaero;7897153]
You stated to be a 'teaching veterinarian". At what university, please?[/QUOTE]
I never said that.
But I am.
Where is none of your business.
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I happen to not currently be rocking a PhD but have worked for a power-house couple. One being a VP of a major drug company with his PhD and the other was the head of Pathology at Tufts University with her VMD (penn), PhD (pathology) and MS (I forget what this was in). The pair of which have been published in more peer-review journals than I can really wrap my head around (I think their number combine is well over 500). I know she used to work at NIH and headed up pathology at the NIEHS.
She has been the driving force behind my education and horse career and has taught me to ALWAYS do the research, check the facts, demand efficacy studies, and only read peer review journals.
Come back with your peer review published research and your efficacy studies that your feed is really “the best thing since sliced bread” and maybe we’ll drink the punch but right now it’s just smoke and mirrors and kind of sad that you don’t even know what your own feed really does.
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I really hate it when newbies attack long time posters. I really, really hate it when the newbies are trying to force the crap they are selling with their fake science and made up words on the forum. STFU. Ghazzu please don’t waste your fingers.
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Cryptoaero, I think you need to shut up, before you make it even worse.
Oh what the heck, I can go for some popcorn about now.
Well, she is a member of:
American Veterinary Medical Association
American Association of Equine Practitioners
American Academy of Veterinary Acupuncture
American Botanical Medicine Association
International Veterinary Acupuncture Society
As stated earlier, my full name and photo is in my profile on here. All you have to do is click on my username and it shows up.
My only claim to fame is comprehensive reading and research abilities.
I do tend to agree with the two doctors on this thread though.
Well thanks so much folks. If you aren’t interested in this feed please just go away. I for one, wanted to learn more about it but instead have to hear all this immature crap. I personally will put my faith in real world results which many top horse people are seeing with this feed.
If you don’t believe in whole foods, or in Eastern medicine as one poster was making fun of, then be my guest. Hate it all you want.
I for one will put my dressage horses & their diets in the hands of top people like Steffen & Shannon Peters before I’d listen to a thing you have to say. Look at this lady’s website & see the people who are getting great results with this feed. TOP people with TOP horses who are not being sponsored by this feed company. I’ve been interested in this feed since it was placed on the market. I’ve spoken to so many people about it & they are all saying the same thing, that it’s been great for their horses. Ill make up my own mind using input from people who really know how to feed top sport horses at the international level. Once again, you have degraded a thread to the point that you’ve turned into bullies. I pray that none of you would ever be this rude to someone in person.
I came across CryptoAero in my search for a new feed for one of my minis, since it seems she has a grain allergy/sensitivity. I also re-evaluate my feeding program annually, to see if there’s anything I can be doing better. At first I was really excited to see this whole food, non-GMO feed. Then I looked at the guaranteed analysis. 4.2% sugar. 24.10% starch. YIKES! Its a fairly well known fact, supported by research, that horses with metabolic issues need to have a low sugar/starch diet. The general recommendation I’ve seen is <10-12% NSC. And unfortunately CryptoAero is just way too sweet. While my minis have not been diagnosed IR, they tend to have metabolic issues if not managed properly. Plus, my EMS/Lyme pony, would probably die if I put her on this feed.
The testimonials page kinda proves my point. Scroll down to the pictures of Beau. In the first, he looks to be at a pretty healthy weight. In the second “after CryptoAero” pic he’s very obese. Yes, his color is better but that’s something that can be addressed other ways. I wonder how long it’ll be until he has an episode of laminitis, if he hasn’t already.
I’m sure there are some horses that do well on this feed, but its absolutely not suitable for horses and ponies with IR/EMS or breeds prone to metabolic issues.
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[QUOTE=Whitfield Farm Hanoverians;7897237]
I for one, wanted to learn more about it but instead have to hear all this immature crap.
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I for one will put my dressage horses & their diets in the hands of top people like Steffen & Shannon Peters before I’d listen to a thing you have to say. [/QUOTE]
The only personally originally conducting themselves in an immature manner was the owner/representative to the feed company. She made illogical, unscientific claims that could be refuted by anyone who has completed a high school science course, then went batcrap crazy when folks (with credentials) challenged her claims.
If I were Steffen & Shannon Peters and my name was being drug through the mud by an unprofessional feed representative, I would be seriously reconsidering with whom I do business…
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I am not sure why you are arguing whole food vs GMO products because a whole food just means not processed. I know some are talking about selective breeding of the plants as being GMO (which they are by strict standards) BUT most people when talking GMO are talking about the ones that have had their genes injected and changed…but that doesn’t keep them from being a whole food.
I think it is fine to come back and politely defend your product that I am sure you have worked hard to create, but really I am sure there is a market for it without making claims that can not be backed by science. There are people who want to feed wholefoods and not pellets/extruded grains. Personally once I start seeing crazy claims I am turned off from the product. I think simply saying its a whole food product for people who want to feed whole foods to their horses would be much better than making crazy claims.
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