Cushing's disease: a new approach to therapy in equine and canine patients.

[deltawave]

Oh, but that is not a diagnosis of hypertension! That is a physiologic, and utterly normal, response. There is a gigantic difference. HUGE.

Stand up. Blood pressure increases. Exercise. Blood pressure increases. Drive. Blood pressure increases. Then stop. It goes back to normal. The last part is the key, and the failure for it to do so is how hypertension is diagnosed. Why do you think BP is measured AT REST?

Now try coping without the normal “my BP goes up when I do something” response. THERE is a disorder that’s bloody awful to deal with. :no: Ever wonder how that blood gets all the way up to your head when you stand?

For the record, stress certainly can make BP control WORSE in someone who has hypertension, for a variety of reasons. But it does not, in and of itself, CAUSE the disease. Stress reduction, in someone who is pathologically stressed out, can have effects on BP that come close to those of weaker medications. So can salt restriction, exercise, and weight loss. But the disease is still there, and without management will get worse. Now take a healthy young person with normal BP and stress them out completely, 99 times out of 100 their BP will still be OK.

[caballus]

[QUOTE=CatOnLap;5010277]
:lol:
This is the fuinniest thing I’ve read all day:

For the same reason that not all one celled organisms, from which we all devolved, have not turned into humans. Humans are simply NOT the best thing in the universe and I daresay the bacteria and apes are happier being who they are. :yes:

Poor dear has about as much understanding of classical Christianity as she does of Science, which is to say, only enough to spin her own fairytales. :eek:[/QUOTE]“Poor Dear” ???

Good grief.

That speaks volumes.

[caballus]

@deltawave;5010295

Now try coping without the normal “my BP goes up when I do something” response. THERE is a disorder that’s bloody awful to deal with. :no:

Yeah, how DOES one treat that? Low blood pressure? It’s a PITA.

For the record, stress certainly can make BP control WORSE in someone who has hypertension, for a variety of reasons. But it does not, in and of itself, CAUSE the disease. Stress reduction, in someone who is pathologically stressed out, can have effects on BP that come close to those of weaker medications. So can salt restriction, exercise, and weight loss. But the disease is still there, and without management will get worse. Now take a healthy young person with normal BP and stress them out completely, 99 times out of 100 their BP will still be OK.
But let them go on for years with exceptional ‘bad stress’ and what will happen?

[Ghazzu]

@caballus;5010182

Personally think the ‘big bang theory’ is about as ridiculous as I’ve ever imagined. If we all descended from apes then why are there still apes on the planet? Why didn’t they ALL turn human? .

You grasp of evolutionary biology appears to be on a par with your understanding of physics.

[deltawave]

That speaks volumes.

Yes it does. Some of us feel sorry for you. Ignorance is NOT bliss when you unwittingly plaster it all over the place. However, there IS a cure! It’s called “education”. :yes:

[deltawave]

Yeah, how DOES one treat that? Low blood pressure? It’s a PITA.

Low BP is only a problem if there are symptoms. No such thing as “too low” if the person feels fine. There are only a few things that are useful–we have about 100x more ways to bring it DOWN than to bring it UP.

But let them go on for years with exceptional ‘bad stress’ and what will happen?

As I mentioned, it all depends upon how the individual copes with the stress. Our bodies don’t know the difference between the “good” and the “bad” kind, really. Only our minds and our psyches.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;5010302]
You grasp of evolutionary biology appears to be on a par with your understanding of physics.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Some posters stress me out.
I wonder if my bp rises reading their illogical posts?

Seriously, none of my business what others choose to believe, but it is incredible that some very far out posters are in a position to be teaching others.:eek:

[Percheron_X]

[QUOTE=deltawave;5010307]

As I mentioned, it all depends upon how the individual copes with the stress. Our bodies don’t know the difference between the “good” and the “bad” kind, really. Only our minds and our psyches. :)[/QUOTE]

But the physiology of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems does seem to indicate that stress can have an effect on overall health… :yes:

[goeslikestink]

well my hubby goes for bp test and bloodwork every week

and if it wasnt for that part they wouldnt have found out what was wrong with him and thanks to modern medicine, science and drugs

hes still here and its not cancer, its no herititary , he has to take the pills to control his heart rate and no hompathy things can control that

as its one of valves that isnt working correctly makes his heart beat to fast
and if they cant control it via drugs then its an operation

and if he didnt take them he would get out of breath as his heart would beat to fast and go into over time - and he could die

[CatOnLap]

@Delta Wave

Some of us feel sorry for you. Ignorance is NOT bliss when you unwittingly plaster it all over the place. However, there IS a cure! It’s called “education”.

:yes:

thanks for my new sigline.

Now about those stray quarks some of you physicist-types are letting loose around here. I do believe they are causing cognitive decline in some posters. I have heard they may actually create prions and lead to “Mad Cow On COTH” disease.

If I print out some of the replies here, shake them in a bucket of water and then spray the water back over the keyboard, will that cure it?

[ASB_Stars]

[QUOTE=CatOnLap;5010331]
:yes:

thanks for my new sigline.

Now about those stray quarks some of you physicist-types are letting loose around here. I do believe they are causing cognitive decline in some posters. I have heard they may actually create prions and lead to “Mad Cow On COTH” disease.

If I print out some of the replies here, shake them in a bucket of water and then spray the water back over the keyboard, will that cure it?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but will you answer my questions? :lol:

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=CatOnLap;5010331]
:yes:

thanks for my new sigline.

Now about those stray quarks some of you physicist-types are letting loose around here. I do believe they are causing cognitive decline in some posters. I have heard they may actually create prions and lead to “Mad Cow On COTH” disease.

If I print out some of the replies here, shake them in a bucket of water and then spray the water back over the keyboard, will that cure it?[/QUOTE]

love it

[Percheron_X]

[QUOTE=Bluey;5010321]
:lol:

Some posters stress me out.
I wonder if my bp rises reading their illogical posts?

Seriously, none of my business what others choose to believe, but it is incredible that some very far out posters are in a position to be teaching others.:eek:[/QUOTE]

I enjoy when others contribute ideas that give the “discussion” direction.

Attempting to convince immovable opposition is not discussion, and I wonder if perhaps it’s a form of neurosis?

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Percheron X;5010341]
I enjoy when others contribute ideas that give the “discussion” direction.

Attempting to convince immovable opposition is not discussion, and I wonder if perhaps it’s a form of neurosis? :D[/QUOTE]

I got cured of that specific neurosis a while back and without any medication, sprinkling with sacred waters or laying of hands, how 'bout that!

[Percheron_X]

[QUOTE=Bluey;5010348]
I got cured of that specific neurosis a while back and without any medication, sprinkling with sacred waters or laying of hands, how 'bout that![/QUOTE]

Yay! :)

[caballus]

True to form – left brained thinkers can’t handle right brained thinking so go into personal attacks. Oh well … this conversation has gone so far off track – if anyone wants to educate themselves more about Homeopathy there are plenty of recognized courses out there. (Wow, even university/medical courses with full credits!) There’s no point at this stage to continue on. One could argue for eons about personal ‘beliefs’, personal thinking, personal opinions.

Shoot – where’s the thought and belief police when ya need them? :lol:

[deltawave]

Attempting to convince immovable opposition is not discussion, and I wonder if perhaps it’s a form of neurosis?
In my case, I’m told by those who knew my as a youngster that it’s congenital. Therefore, I blame my parents.

left brained thinkers can’t handle right brained thinking

Left brained thinkers can’t handle NO-brained thinking. And if you’re putting your pet theories in the “right brain” category, well, that’s fine, but then you’d better go back and edit your first post where you tried to trot out some stinky left-brained scientific evidence to support it.

[caballus]

[QUOTE=eyetallion stallion;5010216]
Wow. You are just a pill! I think I’ll tell my friend who just got diagnosed with breast cancer that she “allowed the ‘bugs’ to overcome the healthy/balanced state” of her body. It’s all her fault, that bitch! She is so stoooopid for thinking bad thoughts and making that cancer take over her boobs! I guess she should just forget the double mastectomy, radiation and chemo, because it’s hopeless for her because they won’t work. “The BODY, itself, if strong enough, will heal itself…”

Charming.

So back to the horse stuff, how should we tell the horse to get rid of those baddies in its body that are causing Cushing’s? Where’s my animal communicator dammit???[/QUOTE] My apologies – somehow I missed your post. I am sorry for your friend. I, too, have encountered Breast Cancer with close friends and family and it isn’t pleasant or easy.

But I have a ?? for you – the results of the study that I posted umpteen posts ago, the first post, show an 80% improvement using Homeopathic remedies. How is that to be explained? Do you feel it should be ignored as fluff and snake oil? Or perhaps studied some more to see just what might be some useful studies?

[caballus]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;5010302]
You grasp of evolutionary biology appears to be on a par with your understanding of physics.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I’m wrong, Please!, but is not Evolution still a “theory” ???

[deltawave]

But how much improvement did untreated subjects show? Or those treated conventionally? How did the investigators define “improvement”? For how long did improvements remain? What was the status of the animals six months later? Inquiring minds want to know. Do you have the full citation, or did you just read the abstract?