Cushing's disease: a new approach to therapy in equine and canine patients.

[RAyers]

[QUOTE=caballus;5010182]
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Was it not Albert Einstein who said that energy and matter are the same thing? and Aristotle said “The energy of the mind is the essence of life.” Does not ‘all life’ live in a state of vibration? Are we not all, essentially, nothing but electrical energy following the Law of Vibration in a ‘sea of water’ with a bit of tissue and bone thrown in here and there? Organs and systems that work harmoniously together and resonating wonderfully and beautifully when healthy? OK … I know. I know. grin …[/QUOTE]

Oh, good gravy. You don’t realize that everything you bring up at this point has been observed and proven or disproven by physicists. Stop trying to make this some metaphysical discussion that is beyond our understanding.

Yes, matter is a form of energy. It has also BEEN PROVEN! Look at the results from the tevatron (Fermilab) and soon the LHC (CERN). Quarks are based on fundamental 9 (sometimes 14 depending on the string theory equations defining the p-brane) dimensional frequencies as outlined in M-Theory (closest thing to a grand unification theory wee have).

Einstein believed that by knowing SCIENCE one could gain insight to the mind g-d. Don’t bastardize his philosophy.

[eyetallion_stallion]

[QUOTE=caballus;5010193]
No – the drugs are ANTI bacterial, ANTI septic, ANTI fungal, ANTI biotics … they kill the ‘bugs’ that are making someone sick. Or, as you said they MANAGE the state of dis-ease. The base REASON the person got sick to begin with is because something in the body/mind/spirit allowed the ‘bugs’ to overcome the healthy/balanced state. Does no good to treat the person with emphysema if they’re still smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day. Does no good to treat the diabetic if sugar is still consumed by the pound each day. Does no good to treat the high blood pressure or the nervous debilitation unless the stress is not addressed. Drugs palliate or suppress or kill the ‘enemy’. The BODY, itself, if strong enough, will heal itself once those enemies are gone. If not strong enough for whatever reason, will just ‘get sick’ again.[/QUOTE]

Wow. You are just a pill! I think I’ll tell my friend who just got diagnosed with breast cancer that she “allowed the ‘bugs’ to overcome the healthy/balanced state” of her body. It’s all her fault, that bitch! She is so stoooopid for thinking bad thoughts and making that cancer take over her boobs! I guess she should just forget the double mastectomy, radiation and chemo, because it’s hopeless for her because they won’t work. “The BODY, itself, if strong enough, will heal itself…”

Charming.

So back to the horse stuff, how should we tell the horse to get rid of those baddies in its body that are causing Cushing’s? Where’s my animal communicator dammit???

[RAyers]

[QUOTE=millerra;5010212]
pssst. Hey DW…

Remember: — argue ---- fencepost[/QUOTE]

No, no, no. this is more like a Monty Python sketch.

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=Androcles;5010196]
One of your posts, no doubt[/QUOTE]

and lol matey well she dont belive in the big bang nor science haha and she trying to force things into others you quoted that you your lost and no more knowledge than you started haha

so all shes needs is the baking powder and soda bottle and vineger haha
it creates a gas which goes bang-- makes small rocket haha

science in op case big bang for her asshe doesnt believe in the big bang hahaha

[RAyers]

[QUOTE=Percheron X;5010210]
I’d suggest that any “breakthroughs” utilizing homeopathic principles that either have been made, or will be made, will become a part of conventional modern medicine, and not be associated with homeopathy.

The exact same way that the science of metallurgy was born out of alchemy…[/QUOTE]

Actually, only in parts of the western world is that true. Metallurgy was very mature long before then in China and Japan. Yes, we still use the alchemist wheel as a symbol but it stands for the underlying physics that are possible. We can make gold from lead but it takes a bit more energy than they had hundreds of years ago.

If we apply this to homeopathy, then it will fade into a trite symbol alluding to attenuation of allergic responses through gradual exposure and other like medical treatments already proven.

Reed

[deltawave]

MILLERA, stop channeling my mother! :lol: I am well aware of my temperamental shortcomings, thankyouverymuch.

[caballus]

[QUOTE=deltawave;5010204]
Not all diseases are caused by “bugs” or a faulty immune system, for pity’s sake. And “stress” has precious little to do with hypertension, unless of course your base of knowledge about diseases of this sort is based in the era of your precious Hahnemann. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Well, ummmm, I disagree in that I understand stress having everything to do with most illnesses and, in particular, high blood pressure (although I do understand that hypertension is also an inherited disease as well).

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=caballus;5010193]
No – the drugs are ANTI bacterial, ANTI septic, ANTI fungal, ANTI biotics … they kill the ‘bugs’ that are making someone sick. Or, as you said they MANAGE the state of dis-ease. The base REASON the person got sick to begin with is because something in the body/mind/spirit allowed the ‘bugs’ to overcome the healthy/balanced state. Does no good to treat the person with emphysema if they’re still smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day. Does no good to treat the diabetic if sugar is still consumed by the pound each day. Does no good to treat the high blood pressure or the nervous debilitation unless the stress is not addressed. Drugs palliate or suppress or kill the ‘enemy’. The BODY, itself, if strong enough, will heal itself once those enemies are gone. If not strong enough for whatever reason, will just ‘get sick’ again.[/QUOTE]

you are so unreal and so out of the real world -

matey i work in a care home i see these people day in and day out

and will add not all people smoke and get ill, not all people are near people that smoke and get ill, and its not ther fault they are ill

matey kids get sick adults get sick you theory and beliefs are way out the window - your so wrong

i wondering if a little martian came to your back yard and planted his little green seeds for you to eat and this is perhaps why you go green with envy when proven wrong all the time

[caballus]

[QUOTE=goeslikestink;5010221]
and lol matey well she dont belive in the big bang nor science haha and she trying to force things into others you quoted that you your lost and no more knowledge than you started haha

so all shes needs is the baking powder and soda bottle and vineger haha
it creates a gas which goes bang-- makes small rocket haha

science in op case big bang for her asshe doesnt believe in the big bang hahaha[/QUOTE] No where did I say I don’t ‘believe in science’. Stop twisting words or adding to. And no, I was not the one to say that I am lost and have no more knowledge than when I started. That was someone else.

[caballus]

@goeslikestink;5010237

you are so unreal and so out of the real world -

matey i work in a care home i see these people day in and day out

been there, done that myself GLS.

and will add not all people smoke and get ill, not all people are near people that smoke and get ill,
Thank you. Been saying that for years!

matey kids get sick adults get sick you theory and beliefs are way out the window - your so wrong
people and animals get sick when their bodies cannot protect them.

i wondering if a little martian came to your back yard and planted his little green seeds for you to eat and this is perhaps why you go green with envy when proven wrong all the time
Hey, no envy here! You mentioned jealousy on another thread, too – not here. Makes no difference what you or anyone else thinks or ‘believes’ … I’m enjoying the conversation! It’s breaking up my day so I can get a bit of relief in between working out in the sun and shoveling manure. So thanks for helping to make my day just a bit brighter, GLS!

[Androcles]

[QUOTE=goeslikestink;5010221]
and lol matey well she dont belive in the big bang nor science haha and she trying to force things into others you quoted that you your lost and no more knowledge than you started haha

so all shes needs is the baking powder and soda bottle and vineger haha
it creates a gas which goes bang-- makes small rocket haha

science in op case big bang for her asshe doesnt believe in the big bang hahaha[/QUOTE]

Congratulations. You’re less comprehensible than ‘callabus’.

[Androcles]

[QUOTE=caballus;5010233]
Well, ummmm, I disagree in that I understand stress having everything to do with most illnesses and, in particular, high blood pressure (although I do understand that hypertension is also an inherited disease as well).[/QUOTE]

Uh, okay, is it a bug that needs to be gone, or stress then?

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=Androcles;5010244]
Congratulations. You’re less comprehensible than ‘callabus’.[/QUOTE]

read for content i have excuse do you

[citydog]

[QUOTE=caballus;5010182]
If we all descended from apes then why are there still apes on the planet? Why didn’t they ALL turn human? [/QUOTE]

And that right there shows you have absolutely no understanding of how evolution works. None.

What a surprise. :rolleyes:

People take issue with your posts because you state beliefs as fact, and give horse care advice based on these “facts” that you repeatedly demonstrate you don’t actually understand. Utter ignorance (and I love Delta, Reed, Thomas and others for having the patience to consistently call you on it.).

Your posts bring to mind this exchange from Black Beauty:

“Only ignorance! only ignorance! how can you talk about only ignorance? Don’t you know that it is the worst thing in the world, next to wickedness? – and which does the most mischief heaven only knows. If people can say, `Oh! I did not know, I did not mean any harm,’ they think it is all right. I suppose Martha Mulwash did not mean to kill that baby when she dosed it with Dalby and soothing syrups; but she did kill it, and was tried for manslaughter.”

“And serve her right, too,” said Tom. “A woman should not undertake to nurse a tender little child without knowing what is good and what is bad for it.”

[goeslikestink]

ok callabus

what would you reccomend for me haha
after all i cant be cured and no hompathy anythings are going to help me
as you and most others know what my problem is
so how would hompathy cure me

[CatOnLap]

[QUOTE=RAyers;5010218]
No, no, no. this is more like a Monty Python sketch.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
This is the fuinniest thing I’ve read all day:

@someone who doesn't need the extra attention but is going for it anyway

FYI – I do believe in creationism. I also believe that animals are sentient ‘beings’ and have spirits/souls. Personally think the ‘big bang theory’ is about as ridiculous as I’ve ever imagined. If we all descended from apes then why are there still apes on the planet? Why didn’t they ALL turn human?

For the same reason that not all one celled organisms, from which we all devolved, have not turned into humans. Humans are simply NOT the best thing in the universe and I daresay the bacteria and apes are happier being who they are. :yes:

Poor dear has about as much understanding of classical Christianity as she does of Science, which is to say, only enough to spin her own fairytales. :eek:

[deltawave]

I understand stress having everything to do with most illnesses

You are confusing “understand” with “believe” again. They are not interchangeable. First, please let’s define “stress”, and how one would simply choose not to have any. Then please show me some data that “stress” causes cancer, hypertension, renal failure, osteoporosis, parkinson’s disease, dementia, high cholesterol, plantar fasciitis or syphilis. Please tell me how to tell a mother whose child just got diagnosed with diabetes that their kid was “just too stressed out”, gee, what a shame. :rolleyes:

What we do seem to know about “stress” is that it is HOW PEOPLE COPE with it (both the “good” kind and the “bad” kind, because there are both) that can potentially impact their health and recovery from an illness. Not how much stress, but how the person deals with it. In this sphere I’ll agree completely that it may be playing a role, but the avoidance of stress is no guarantee of health, and piles of it is no guarantee of misery.

Just how many patients do you see in a given month, hmmm?

[PineTreeFarm]

@caballus;5010233

Well, ummmm, I disagree in that I understand stress having everything to do with most illnesses and, in particular, high blood pressure (although I do understand that hypertension is also an inherited disease as well).

What documentation do you have for your ‘understanding’ that stress ‘having everything to do with most illnesses’?

I have a crappy heart valve. I was born with the problem. I assure you it had nothing to do with stress.

A neighbor’s dog was bitten by a rabid dog, developed rabies and had to be put to sleep. Nothing to do with stress.

A friend has Breast Cancer caused by a genetic problem. She is certainly under some stress now as she is undergoing treatment but the cause of the illness was genetic. Her sister and mother had the same illness. I guess stress runs in that family. LOL

[caballus]

[QUOTE=deltawave;5010282]
You are confusing “understand” with “believe” again. They are not interchangeable. First, please let’s define “stress”, and how one would simply choose not to have any. Then please show me some data that “stress” causes cancer, hypertension, renal failure, osteoporosis, parkinson’s disease, dementia, high cholesterol, plantar fasciitis or syphilis.

What we do seem to know about “stress” is that it is HOW PEOPLE COPE with it (both the “good” kind and the “bad” kind, because there are both) that can potentially impact their health and recovery from an illness. Not how much stress, but how the person deals with it. In this sphere I’ll agree completely that it may be playing a role, but the avoidance of stress is no guarantee of health, and piles of it is no guarantee of misery.

Just how many patients do you see in a given month, hmmm?[/QUOTE] Yes, how people cope with stress and yes, good vs. bad. I agree.

As for how many patients, OK – I give. You win Delta. You’re the DR. and I’m the ‘nobody’.

Hey, tell me this – if your patients all get well with your treatment, then how ill you make your living? Ok, never mind – scratch that. Bad question. I’ll blame it on the hubby anyway since it was his idea … grin

[Percheron_X]

[QUOTE=deltawave;5010204]
And “stress” has precious little to do with hypertension[/QUOTE]

Seriously… !

Put a blood pressure monitor on several test subjects, stress them out, and watch their blood pressure go up… and it’s a repeatable experiment… :winkgrin: