Cushing's disease: a new approach to therapy in equine and canine patients.

[QUOTE=Androcles;5008922]
Then you are in the extreme minority with your example. And you should have shopped around better since most homeopathic remedies are around $6 to $8, (comapared to the hundreds that pharmaceuticals cost) and more importantly you only take them for a few days or weeks at the most, unlike drugs which you have to keep taking. The sad fact is that conventional (‘allopathic’) medicine is simply out of reach of more and more Americans, who find themselves turning to homeopathy and other alternatives for affordable health care. That’s the fault of the medical system which had to be regulated by law to be forced to provide affordable care, not the fault of homeopaths. It’s just not the other way around. And if you want to find ‘made up’ words you need look no further than conventional medicine rife with thousands of them.[/QUOTE]

Your ignorance really knows no bounds does it, Androcles/YW?
:eek:
I could again take your post apart sentence by sentence, but I can’t be bothered. It is clear you are in the minroirty in your rabid anti science stance and I only hope you do not inflict yourself on unwitting and gullible others, including the horses who cannot protect themselves from those who wilfully neglect their care in favour of “treatments” with no good evidence to support their use, or those that actually make them sore and hurt worse.

http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html

this one even better:
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_on_believing_strange_things.html

Love Mr. Deity. :slight_smile:

Very Interesting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0&feature=player_embedded

do see your point, but will disagree on one level. A mild “issue” is still an issue, and if you’re stating that something mild goes away directly because of a homeopathic treatment, then you’re stating that they have a distinct, measurable effect. I’d argue, instead, that the perceived “benefits” in the case of homeopathy are generally in the realm of the unmeasurable and nebulous, the placebo, or the satisfaction of doing “something”. If there were other, more tangible “benefits”, they should still be measurable, provided the intervention followed the laws of nature/science.

I use the two terms sort of interchangeably there, as one defines the other. If it’s natural, it’s scientifically observable. If it isn’t, well, then it’s supernatural, quite literally. And then you’re on another whole topic.

Wellll…by mild I kinda meant imaginary. :winkgrin:

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5009412]
Wellll…by mild I kinda meant imaginary. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol:

Like my mild too much money problem and my mild 5 car garage?

Hey there, everybody, settle down. Let’s use clear logic here.

  1. Almost all of the water in the world has come into contact with some fecal matter over the course of the millions of years that the precipitation cycle has run.

  2. Given the Law (rule, guideline, suggestion, hoped for idea) of Simularity (simulacrum, sacred media, etc) everything poteneizes the water (unless the only way it happens is if it HAS to be a person standing there).

  3. Thus, a person who administers homeopathy is trying to fill another person with s$#$.

Reed

Yes, and you can buy the poster too:

http://i.imgur.com/VgQZN.jpg

A little joke for the homeopaths:

Did you hear about the man who overdosed and died from homeopathy?

He forgot to take his meds.

So if I wanted to be a devils advocate and support Homeopathy… I’d suggest a theory like… Homeopathy is actually a counterirritant phenomenon.

Very small quantities of a given substance may invoke a very small biological reaction to that substance, and while the body is in that reactive phase there is an increase in immunological sensitivity whereby the body may then “sense” the presence of some previously “unsenced” disorder and begin an immunological response to heal that previously “unsenced” disorder…

So the question is: Can this theory be logical? :stuck_out_tongue:

Pancakes, Post #61: If you are giving EVEN the most TINY diluted amount…you are giving more. Unless you are not giving any of the molecule, in which you are not giving anything, technically.

Or could you elaborate how giving anything, ANYTHING, with the same name, is not giving more? If I have lyme disease (as someone else mentioned before), and you give me even the most dilute amount of borrellia burgdorferi, would you not say you gave me more?
1+ .00000000000000000000000000001 = still more than 1

Androcles, Post #63: I suggest you read some books on homeopathy. The explanation is certainly beyond the scope of this forum not to mention my abilities. However, I remind you as I’ve said before in this thread, it depends on the potency that is prescribed. Lower potencies for overactivity, higher potencies for underactivity. I believe. I was hoping someone with knowledge of homeopathy would confirm. Typically, the OP posts and disappears.

As I explained I didn’t disappear but had to work. Also worked yesterday a very long day and thus was not able to respond.

Simply: “Technically” one is giving more of the substance but not in molecular form (except at the very lowest potencies from 30c and down) but, instead, in the form of the vibrational energy of the substance. All cells vibrate to a specific rate (frequency) according to their particular need for existence. Vibrational activity creates energy. The higher the vibration, the stronger the energy (rub your hands together vigorously and see how they heat up - the faster you rub, the warmer they become. They’ll actually tingle. Same as with rubbing two dry sticks together to create a fire.) Energy is never destroyed. It is. It changes in strength, however. It gets stronger as it is stimulated (in Hom., think potentized.) Energies, in vibration, will resonate when balanced i.e. the same. – Pluck a string on one violin in the corner of a room and another violin on the other side of the room, if perfectly in tune with the plucked violin, will resonate and make a perfectly synchronized and in tune sound with the other across the room even though it was never touched. That is the vibrational resonance and balancing that we hear. It happens on all levels of energy with all cells. They either resonate and balanced each other or they don’t if not ‘in tune’ with one another.

Homeopathically speaking, disease is ‘spirit’ in nature. The symptoms, the visible reactions to the host body being ‘out of balance’ energetically (think immune system weakened from negative affects from stress. This can be measured on a biological level but when viewed on deeper level, cellular energy level, is actually an energetic imbalance. The energy of the cells have changed and they cannot do the job they are created to do for that particular system.) are the body’s way of trying to rid itself of the dis-ease. If the symptoms of the disease are treated but the host energy system is not treated then the base level/reason for the dis-ease remains. The treated symptoms are merely suppressed and not expelled from the body.

Back to vibrational resonance. When two substances of complementary energy ‘resonate’ then they are balanced. Every substance, again, has energy - its cells are pure energy. We are held together by perfectly resonating, balanced billions of cells that vibrationally hold form. The cells of a cat resonate at a different vibrational frequency; dogs yet another and plants, etc. even another. Very simplified.

The more potentized the homeopathic substance, the stronger the energy = the stronger the remedy. The remedy needs to be vibrationally strong enough to stimulate the host (think energy of the immune system) to resonate in frequency and which together are stronger than the [singular] energy of the dis-ease. Thus, the immune system is able to do its job for which it was designed. If the energy of the immune system is not strong enough then the energy of the insulting dis-ease overcomes the immune system which allows the host to become ‘ill’.

To address Androcles – generally speaking, an acute situation requires a stronger remedy than a chronic situation in which the immune system has been worn down over time and weakened. An acute situation is a bombardment of ‘energy’ of trauma, illness, that is much stronger than the host immune system. A ‘bombardment’ of remedy is needed to balance the immune system energetically so it can, once again, do its job properly.

In chronic situations the immune system is worn down over time and weakened. A more gentle yet effective (just the right potency) remedy is needed to aid the immune system gently (lower potencies 1x, 6c, etc.). Too much can cause ‘aggravations’ and overwhelm the weakened immune energy. As the immune system is strengthened the potencies of the needed remedy are changed. Determining the correct strength of remedy that has been determined to be correct in a chronic, constitutional/miasmic situation is the hardest job of any homeopath. Even the remedy, itself, is usually changed as ‘layers’ of chronic dis-ease are relieved. Much like peeling an onion.

If homeopathy is noted to ‘fail’, its not that homeopathy has failed but it is the failure of the homeopath to determine what is specifically needed for that specific individual in his/her specific state of condition. The correct remedy, in its correct potency, has never failed. Energy doesn’t fail in its job. The remedy will either ‘resonate’ with the individual or it won’t. The frequencies have to be in tune in order for the body to return to a healthy state.

The strong, healthy immune system is ‘created’ to be able to ‘balance’ the host body defenses and keep it strong and healthy.

Healthy = free of disease mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

Personally and professionally (and as taught by Hahnemann and current exceptional/master homeopaths), homeopathy cannot ‘fix’ such things as fractures, torn, ripped tissue in need of suturing, etc. But it aids in the healing in such situations as it helps rebalance the immune system so it can do its job as designed. The ultimate priority of the immune system is to fight off dis-ease and keep the host ‘healthy’.

As MistyBlue stated, self-administration of homeopathy in ‘mild’ situations (as originally stated; not as ‘excused’ in 2nd reply) is effective but only IF the remedy is the correct one for the individual. There may be several different remedies for the same kind of ‘mild’ state - which one is correct is determined by the individuals unique presentation. In strong acute cases (fxs, accidents, etc.) or chronic cases its best to consult with a professional homeopath (who can obtain the stronger potencies) and, of course, work WITH allopathic care.

This is a general and very simplified explanation and it will either ‘resonate’ with the reader or not grin. If someone wishes to learn more it is suggested to get a copy of Hahnemann’s 6th edition of the “Organon of the Medical Art” and read through that. (good luck! grin) Homeopathy is a total paradigm shift in thinking. This is my personal understanding of it.

A VERY simplified analogy of homeopathy – think of the need to jump-start your car. Your battery (immune system energy) is weak and needs just a little ‘boost’ (hom. remedy) so the engine can turnover, start and recharge the battery … or the battery has worn down considerably and needs a stronger ‘boost’. Too little of a boost won’t work and too much will blow the thing apart.

And sometimes it needs to be replaced altogether (allopathic).

Homeopathy is the jump-start for the engine.

[QUOTE=Percheron X;5009558]
So if I wanted to be a devils advocate and support Homeopathy… I’d suggest a theory like… Homeopathy is actually a counterirritant phenomenon.

Very small quantities of a given substance may invoke a very small biological reaction to that substance, and while the body is in that reactive phase there is an increase in immunological sensitivity whereby the body may then “sense” the presence of some previously “unsenced” disorder and begin an immunological response to heal that previously “unsenced” disorder…

So the question is: Can this theory be logical? :p[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what homeopathy is, you kind of “vaccinate”, but with faith.:lol:
What they use is barely if at all detectable and definitely has no known biological response you can measure, that is the principle of diluting to the extent they do.
So you go on faith there that there is something in there and that it will by magic then do something, even if we can’t measure it.:wink:

What a way to run a railroad, as they say around here.:stuck_out_tongue:

Really? Then why is there no scientific research, using the Scientific Method, that substantiate that claim?

What I’m reading/hearing is the equivalent to mushroom farming–feed them lots of BS and keep them in the dark…

Well, if one likes mushrooms …

To add to what I wrote above I am quoting a part of an article written by Leeza D’Souza in http://hpathy.com: Now, substitute what I termed ‘immune system’ (to simplify for explanation. The spirit is part of the immune system for sure!.) and equate/substitute the words I used “immune system” for “Vital Force”.

To explain his concepts and observations, Hahnemann had to coin a number of new terms. One of the main terms he coined was “Vital Force” or “Life Principle“. In Aphorism 9 of the Organon, he describes this energy prevalent in every living being, as the “spiritual vital force” that animated the living organism and ruled with unbounded sway, in order to keep the body working in perfect harmony. This ‘perfect harmony’, in scientific terms means maintaining homeostasis. When a person is healthy, this vital force functions at its optimum resulting in perfect homeostasis.

When one’s vital force begins to be stressed out by various conditions mentioned earlier, it begins to weaken. At this point, an external agent (usually some microorganisms like viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites) that comes in contact with it, produces disease symptoms. Hahnemann held that these organisms did not simply have a physical effect, which is the concept of modern medicine today; but, he believed that they also had a dynamic effect, an energy effect that was detrimental to the vital force. The vital force so deranged then reflected these imbalances in the form of disease, which manifest externally in physical and mental symptoms. The concept of vital force and its derangement was a logical conclusion to help understand the persistance of chronic disease, because it could explain why such minute energy doses of the indicated similimum could produce healing/ recovery.

The entire article can be read here: http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-philosophy/homeopathy-and-soul-i/

wow. I guess I need to hire you to write a promotional article for my grass whispering business. I haven’t had a single client, yet it seems there are lots of people out there gullible enough to give me money if I spew the right buzz words.

Off to work on my technique for altering the vibrational energy of my grass paddock to complement the needs of my horses.

[QUOTE=egontoast;5009367]
Very Interesting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0&feature=player_embedded[/QUOTE]
Well found egontoast.

Excellent British humour from a couple of my favourites.

[QUOTE=Katy Watts;5009762]
wow. I guess I need to hire you to write a promotional article for my grass whispering business. I haven’t had a single client, yet it seems there are lots of people out there gullible enough to give me money if I spew the right buzz words.

Off to work on my technique for altering the vibrational energy of my grass paddock to complement the needs of my horses.[/QUOTE]Actually, Katy – since everything does, vibrate with a specific frequency, that does include the grass. So one could say that if the grass were not vibrating to the resonance with the horse, cellularly/electronically, then the grass is not going to “help” the horse and will, on a vibrational (think too much sugar/fructans changing the frequency of the electrical vibrations) level, do harm … :winkgrin:

Websters Dictionary:
Definition for RESONANCE
Physics .
a.
the state of a system in which an abnormally large vibration is produced in response to an external stimulus, occurring when the frequency of the stimulus is the same, or nearly the same, as the natural vibration frequency of the system.

[QUOTE=caballus;5009753]
To add to what I wrote above I am quoting a part of an article written by Leeza D’Souza in http://hpathy.com: Now, substitute what I termed ‘immune system’ (to simplify for explanation. The spirit is part of the immune system for sure!.) and equate/substitute the words I used “immune system” for “Vital Force”.

The entire article can be read here: http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-philosophy/homeopathy-and-soul-i/[/QUOTE]

I’ve a real problem understanding all your writings about the immune system.

I absolutely accept that the immune system and immune responses are complex and can be difficult to understand. But immunity as far as I’m aware is about a collection of responses to protect the body from infection and disease.

We’ve innate immunity and acquired immunity.

But what is this Spiritual immunity? I’ve never heard of that one before.

You so often talk about “boosting the immune system” or “strengthening immunity” or “rebalancing the immune system” and every time you write about such matters I ask you what you mean by it.

You jump up and down and get excitable because I ask you questions and then another particular poster parachutes in but at the risk of becoming boring, here we go again:

What do you actually mean by “boost the immune system”? Please be VERY specific?
How would you evidence it was “boosted or strengthened or balanced”

Then precisely what do you do (give) to “boost”, “strength” or “balance” it?

Also,

What’s the dose (quantity and duration) for it to be effective?

and finally,

What’s the evidence? How is it measured?