Avoid Cypress Arrow K9 Academy in Lena, LA at all costs. The videos are disturbing.
I unfortunately saw this earlier today (in Australia). It’s truly disturbing. I sincerely hope these sub-humans are dealt with in the same spirit in which they treat these poor animals. Beyond words really.
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That video is horrible.
I can not even figure out what they are trying to accomplish with the dog with the two leashes that they are beating to the point that it is trying to defend itself against random yanks on a prong collar and being beaten with a whip.
To add some levity here, I read the title of the thread and my first thought was - why is someone looking for an abusive dog trainer? That is a strange thing to request.
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That video without sound had me holding my own neck in sympathy. Poor dog!
I have never understood the idea of using cruelty to “train” an animal. It just makes them fear you. The only possible thing I can think of is these dogs might be used to guard drug houses. In any case, this is sick.
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I chalk it up to lack of skill and patience and smarts.
My first Beagle was a genius.
But he was easy to train by knowing him and his Achilles heel.
But too few people want to first study the animal and understand them.
Its laziness.
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This is sickening
As a professional trainer, I can’t even conceive of such cruelty - this abuse is unconscionable - watching the videos made me nauseated (not to mention furious!) Those poor dogs 
I hope to hell that there is some way to punish these women; they are not “trainers“, they’re bullies. “Violence begins where knowledge ends.”
Of course IMO, these “board and train” places are not effective for the vast majority of dogs; it’s the owners who need to be trained, and taught how to train. Unwitting dog owners are easily misled by false promises of “a perfect dog“ at the end of the board and train - that literally never happens, and the prices they charge are insane. SMDH.
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That’s the first thing I thought when I read the text of the article.
The stupid thing about this is that teaching something like “down” is so easy with R+. There are other things that are not easy with R+ (e.g. compulsory retrieve/force fetch) that might look abusive to the average pet owner, but this is ridiculous. Why employ such an obviously punitive method to teach something so easy?
I don’t know that they will be charged for abuse; it doesn’t look criminal (since being convicted of dog abuse is super difficult, even when extreme cruelty is involved), but I do hope it ends their “training” business. Because they obviously suck at it.
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Exactly. When I was growing up, I was the neighborhood dog whisperer. I had everyone’s spare house or garage key and permission to walk and train everyone’s dogs. I remember being 11 or 12 and pack walking 6-8 dogs through the wooded area and park behind my house, no leashes, no issues. I trick trained the smart ones, and made the nutty ones actually look like an easy walk. Everyone in the neighborhood appreciated that their dogs were exercised and happy and generally better dogs, but they did not behave for those owners like they did for me.
It’s like someone training your horse. Just because the horse knows how to do a flying change, doesn’t mean someone that doesn’t know how to ride will get one. People that don’t know better also get hung up on equipment. Choke chains, prongs and e-collars have their place, but you don’t hand a beginner a set of double reins that they don’t know how to use.
I remember having my Boxer out, and a woman with a lab on a choke chain wanted to tell me that prongs were “cruel” and my dog would hate me and be afraid of me. My dog on a loose leash, never an inch or more out of heel, sitting nicely while her terror of a lab basically slalomed her down the street wheezing with the choke chain digging in. Nope. Any collar you’re hanging on like you’re water skiing is doing way more damage than a properly adjusted, well made prong. Corrections should be rare and fair, not a constant pull through the entire damn walk.
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I hope the video where they are beating a dog they have secured in a location by two handlers with a whip counts as abuse by someone. Because that horrible down training sucks but I agree it will not be considered abuse…but that whipping better be.
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Yes. How can beating a dog with a whip when it’s being restrained by two people NOT be abuse? shudder
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I trained a dog with a pull and release collar back when that was a thing.
I have never seen a dog trained with a whip. Is that a thing?
We were taught that down is harder to train as it means submission or somethingorather. The dog needs trust in you to go down, not whipping.
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I’ve never seen a whip used either. It definitely shouldn’t be a thing. I’ve never considered down any harder to train than sit, but then again, I’ve never had a dog afraid of me by the time we get to that point, so maybe it is harder for people whose dogs don’t trust them.
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It is not always the dog being afraid of their human (actually, it is pretty much almost never that). A dog in a very stressful location, say a group obedience class with lots of other dogs, can find doing down difficult.
Any trainer I have ever used simply has me work on down in a less stressful place and make sure everything we do at the stressful place is successful so the dog learns the stressful place is not really worth being stressed over.
But logic says that if the dog is having a hard time with down because they are stressed, do not add more stress by beating them into the down. Geez.
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Oh sure. Any new place, distractions, other dogs around will make training more difficult, even things the dog knows very well. I like to teach a “focus” command, just having the dog make eye contact with me and get that really solid. That helps when you do get to a stressful environment, because you can use the “focus” to get the dog’s attention and then give whatever command they were having a harder time with. I have used a gentle hand on the butt or shoulders to urge the sit or down, but that trainer shoving the dog down is definitely not helping at all.
I barely made it past one minute. My first thought that it was porn material. There is stuff like this out there.
Years ago, I took a young pup to a local training place and the trainers actually did this kind of abusive training right in class. One “trainer” walked over and grabbed my leash while I was asking my pup to lay down. He quickly and very angrily stepped on her leash right up against her neck and held her down while she was struggling to pull away. I asked him to stop, but he kept doing it for a few more seconds. A few minutes later, they had the owner of a big bulldog recall his dog, and the dog excitely ran to his owner, only to have the “trainer” yank super hard on the leash and the dog went airborne and crashed on his back on the concrete floor! All the other owners had their dogs in a sit watching this and dogs and owners’ eyes all got huge when it happened and the owners all screamed. Next, this trainer hung a little dog in the air by his collar for about 30 seconds. At this point my pup and I stormed into the lobby and demanded a refund. OMG, I was appalled. I can’t believe the other people stayed!
Oh hell no. I definitely would have walked. You CAN step on the leash and lower your foot down until the dog lays down… but it shouldn’t be done in a yanking manner, or on a dog that doesn’t understand down yet.
Punishing a dog when it comes? Nope. My sister’s dog took off through a neighbor’s yard when her collar broke and took us on a good 20 minute adventure until she finally responded and came. Yeah, it sucked and I was frustrated, but she got praise when she did come. If you punish that, then she doesn’t learn she’s being punished for running off, she learns she gets punished when she comes back to you. That was a horrible trainer.
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Well, yes I agree; but since cases where dogs tied to railroad tracks fail to result in felony charges, I don’t have a lot of hope that this would result in any charges. Maybe a misdemeanor that will get pled down? Or maybe just bad press.
Wow… I haven’t heard that one. People are atrocious.
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What??
