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Oh I think vets are capable of spin just as mush as anyone else, therefore I don’t necessarily believe everything just because a vet said so…JMHO I do know pain can cause tension…[/QUOTE]
And tension can cause excruciating, debilitating pain.
But does tension cause debilitating lameness in the same pair of diagonal legs for a relatively extended period of time?
Bolting, rearing, spinning, bucking, refusing to go forward, head tossing or shaking sure, but lameness in the same diagonal pair of legs throughout a test? I’m not so sure about that.
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But does tension cause debilitating lameness in the same pair of diagonal legs for a relatively extended period of time?
Bolting, rearing, spinning, bucking, refusing to go forward, head tossing or shaking sure, but lameness in the same diagonal pair of legs throughout a test? I’m not so sure about that.[/QUOTE]
What she said:D
Many people thought she was not right at the selection trials on top of that the WEG performance so if you add it all up that is why people are making a big deal out of this… Just how I see it…
I think many American fans are sentimental about this pair and that is understandable. Someone wrote something about DM being kinder or better than most other competitors (sorry I don’t have the quote) which, sorry, was an eye rolly thing. How does anyone know that?
I notice no one rushes to credit imke for withdrawing her horse for her wellbeing. If brentina had been w/drawn we’d be reading lots of gushy drooling posts about DM putting her horse’s welfare first.
I’m not criticising DM at all but please note, some of you, your nationalism is involved in your assessment of the matter.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
For me it was what I didn’t see. Any horse that I’ve seen that is terrified at least lifts their head, looks at the cause, freezes or bolts. Even given a very obedient horse you would expect some more reaction besides stepping out in the pirouette.
What I did see was a NQR and more horse.
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Correct PP98 … only the top 25 rode this evening’s GPS. The top 15 from that move on to Tuesday’s Freestyle.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clarification. I hate to drag this on, but one more question; In previous Olympics, did everyone only do one test to count for the team medal? Where did the GP Special factor in?
Maybe this is on another topic somewhere, if so, can someone point me to it? My non-horsey parents are asking me questions I don’t know the answers to! The SJ stuff is confusing too.
I remember Atlanta 1996 was the first Olympics to include the kur and have it be the final medal round. I believe GP has always decided the team competition, and GPS alone decided the individual medals prior to 1996. So until 1996, the Olympics were a 2-round competition, team and individual. 1996 on, a 3-round competition, team, individual field trim down, and individual final.
As a nostalgic sidelight, one of my top memories from being at Atlanta and watching that first Olympic kur is (besides Isabell and Anky and Klaus, of course) watching Lucky Lord (rider forgotten, sorry, but neat gray horse, looked like a chess piece) do his entry in perfect time to Ghostbusters. :lol:
Here is a link to some of the rides at the end of the celebration video
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As a nostalgic sidelight, one of my top memories from being at Atlanta and watching that first Olympic kur is (besides Isabell and Anky and Klaus, of course) watching Lucky Lord (rider forgotten, sorry, but neat gray horse, looked like a chess piece) do his entry in perfect time to Ghostbusters. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Margit Otto-Crépin for France. Silver individual medal at Seoul in '88 with Corlandus
http://dressagedaily.com/1998/dd_199807/dd_19980708.html
Margit. I wonder if she is still riding these days? She has to be over sixty, but hell I’m nearly sixty and I still ride everyday! :):):):):)
Back to the topic at hand. All the quotes in the articles relate to examinations prior to the test and yet seem to be vaguely interpreted as meaning she was examined post test.
“Brentina was thoroughly examined by a panel of three veterinarians per our selection process prior to entering quarantine in Germany,” said Dr. Rick Mitchell. “Furthermore we had the opportunity to observe this mare training twice daily for six weeks, and we evaluated the soundness of all the team horses on a daily basis. There was never any question during that time or now about any aspect of her soundness.”
Dr. Mitchell also explained that per the IOC rules, he evaluated each of the three horses one hour before their dressage test because a replacement was available up until that time. Brentina never demonstrated any evidence of soreness and lameness, and passed the horse inspection prior to the competition without any question.
If you read the articles carefully, in particular the quotes, all they say is that the vets are SAYING post test that they had no concerns about soundness before or now because they examined her prior to the test.
Sloppy journalism aside, none of the quotes support the statement that the mare has been examined post test and found to be sound. Obviously, they aren’t obliged to say anything more about that but the fuzzy language in the articles is confusing. If the mare was examined post test and found to be sound, why not say so.
Some years ago
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http://dressagedaily.com/1998/dd_199807/dd_19980708.html
Margit. I wonder if she is still riding these days? She has to be over sixty, but hell I’m nearly sixty and I still ride everyday! :):):):):):)[/QUOTE]
When Eric Lette reseigned from his job as head of the FEI dressage committee, most of the riders asked and supported Margrit Otto-Crepin to take this job. Since MOC already had decided to end her active dressage carreer she initialy said yes to this proposal. But when she noticed that … she withdraw.
http://dressagedaily.com/2008/dd_200808/dd_20080815-brentina.html
A thorough examination by US team veterinarian Dr. Rick Mitchell proved that Brentina is sound and well further reiterating what McDonald had said immediately following her ride.
Can someone please share this with egontoast I’ve posted this several times but I think she has me on ignore and this point on when the vet looked at her needs to die. I’m grateful she has me on ignore and I don’t want it to change but she’s arguing a point that has already been clarified. Thanks
A thorough examination by U.S. team veterinarian Rick Mitchell, DVM, found Brentina to be sound and well. (Editor’s note: The Horse contacted the USEF to confirm that this exam took place following the competition. They confirmed that Dr. Mitchell did examine Brentina after she competed.)
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12517
Bush told the world that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction and we all believed him.:no:
For some reason conspiracy seems more attractive than the truth :rolleyes:
I mean, sure, they could lie about it but what does it really matter? They didn’t do well. They didn’t score well. They are done and the mare is retired. It’s an unfortunate series of events but what’s done is done and I’m sure overall the mare is no worse for the wear.
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Bush told the world that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction and we all believed him.:no:[/QUOTE]
LOL so a moderator is weighing in on this…interesting:lol:
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For some reason conspiracy seems more attractive than the truth :rolleyes:
I mean, sure, they could lie about it but what does it really matter? They didn’t do well. They didn’t score well. They are done and the mare is retired. It’s an unfortunate series of events but what’s done is done and I’m sure overall the mare is no worse for the wear.[/QUOTE]
Don’t get me wrong I don’t necessarily believe it…:eek:
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Bush told the world that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction and we all believed him.:no:[/QUOTE]
Quite appropriate and sadly hilarious.
As someone already pointed out – and also very funny – somehow three vets agree on this but get three out to your farm for a prepurchase on a training level horse and look out…
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Quite appropriate and sadly hilarious.
As someone already pointed out – and also very funny – somehow three vets agree on this but get three out to your farm for a prepurchase on a training level horse and look out…
:)[/QUOTE]
Not only will they not agree but you will pay a hefty price for their opinions…:lol:
I’ve been a bit disappointed on how biased some of our press has been on this subject.
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