Decline in Tack Quality Over the Years

Let me start off by saying that I am by no means a tack expert, just someone who loves it and collects it, and I am only in my mid 20’s, so my experience with older tack is mostly based off of things that have already been used and broken in, with the exception of a few rare treasures that were frozen in time, so it may not be completely accurate compared to those who were alive a few decades ago and remember what this kind of tack was made like new then.

I have a huge collection of tack that I’ve accumulated over the years, from the entry level to mid-range tack I grew up using to some really nice stuff I’ve splurged on or bought used. I have stuff that is easily twice as old as me, if not more, and stuff that is only a few years old, if that, and all ages in between. What I’ve noticed is that the older the piece of tack, the better quality and craftsmanship you can find. The leather is much more durable and has a MUCH better feel to it, the attention to detail seems better, and the hardware is almost always really nice stuff. If I compare a 30- or 40-year-old bridle to a much newer one of the same brand, no matter the brand, there is almost always a profound difference in quality, and the older piece never fails to be the nicer one. I actually don’t really know of any brands that have been around for a very long time that haven’t declined in quality, even if just slightly.

Take a look at Beval, for instance. Everything I see of theirs made within the last ten years or so has a plasticky look and feel to it, while their older stuff is gorgeous. Even Stübben’s new stuff doesn’t even begin to compare to their quality during the era when the Siegfried was the saddle of choice, despite their stuff still being very nice. The European leather from the '70s and '80s and probably even before that is just unbeatable in my opinion, but that kind of quality has disappeared and a lot of the stuff they’re calling “high end” these days would be considered junk compared to that stuff when it was new. Although the French leather that’s popular today has an amazing look and feel, it is not durable at all, and all of the other stuff has a slightly plasticky look and feel to it compared to the older stuff. Maybe I am biased because this older stuff makes up a huge amount of the part of my collection that I still use on a regular basis (ancient Fels Bach/Courbette, Crosby, Triumph, Equitana Romania, tons of old stuff stamped with just Made in England, etc.), but I really think the quality of horse tack, especially leather goods, has significantly declined over time.

Is there anything left still being made that truly compares to that old stuff, or is that level of quality gone for good? I would absolutely love to still be able to find that grade of leather and craftsmanship new, especially when it comes time to finally retire the old stuff, which will unfortunately happen at some point during my lifetime. Also, why do you think the quality has dropped so much and so many things have cheapened? It’s very disappointing to me, as I’ve heard many of my elders talk about how people no longer take the same pride in their work as they used to, and that seems to be pretty true with more things than just tack and horse-related stuff.

I agree! Old quality tack is …priceless! There was a thread a long time ago that talked about how the hides (maybe?) have actually changed and/or the whole process from cow to bridle has changed?

I order and take care of tack for a 40 horse school program. My biggest loss is the fact that Paul’s Harness Supply went out of business. They would make custom stirrup leathers for me 52 inch long x 1 inch wide with a second set of holes punched for children length. BEST leathers ever and they were like $25 per pair. Some pairs are still going strong!

Today’s bridles are fairly bad at the economic level. Why oh why is the fixed piece on the left side of the cavesson that goes up to buckle the strap that goes over the crown have to be TOOOOOOO long. It puts the buckle right up at the brow band on most horses or just can’t be adjusted to fit right. Drives me bananas.

Anyway - I feel your pain as a fellow tack lover. J.

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The costs for making things have skyrocketed in the past 50 years and the only way things stay affordable is to drop quality of materials and complexity or quality of workmanship. This has been true in my lifetime for clothes, shoes, furniture, houses, book bindings, jewelry, food, etc. It’s also true that the average wage has stagnated and only seems higher because of inflation.

On the other hand, people had much less stuff 50 years ago. Fewer toys, clothes, cars, etc. Smaller houses, fewer bathrooms.

I had entry level tack in the 1970s. I have revived all the strap goods and they are in use now. The leather on both English and Western gear tended to be very thick and raw when new and you had to work it with neatsfoot oil for a day or two before you could use it. The leather has held up after I reconditioned it but the nickel plated hardware has the rust you’d expect.

There was also no real second hand market except maybe for saddles. I think people just kept their gear and kept using it. I expect you would not have been able to “collect tack” back then unless you were very wealthy or were concentrating on something outmoded like vintage cowboy saddles from 1910. There just wasn’t the volume of stuff being sold online and discounted everywhere.

I dont know if anyone would buy strap goods like that now. The entry level English bridles I see tend to be layers of thinner leather.

You can still buy excellent quality bridles from the small handicraft manufacturers. They will cost you. But I expect that very high end equestrian gear was always priced through the roof in relation to average people’s income.

When I was 18 the minimum wage was $3.50 an hour or $600 a month full time. We thought $20,000 a year was bourgeois luxury :).

Keeping a back yard recreational horse was still fairly affordable if you lived in the right neighborhood but doing the lessons and showing route was as expensive then as it is now. Full board in the fancy barn hit $100 a month and shocked me; now it’s $1200. Yes, it has always been about equal to rent on a lower end studio apartment!

The other thing to keep in mind when shopping vintage anything is that the high quality items survive and the cheaper stuff is long gone.

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The short answer is that the way that leather is tanned is horribly environmentally damaging, and is being done by increasingly unskilled workers due to cost and human risk. Vegetable tanning, of the type that used to be done for fine bridle leathers, requires a fairly sophisticated skill set and much more time than chromium tanning. Kanpur, India is currently the world’s largest exporter of tanned hides, which was not true 50 years ago.

The number of skilled leatherworkers is also also rapidly diminishing so there are no people to make those bridles and halters and other fine goods. Of course you can still get a bench-made saddle from England made by a master craftsman, but go look and see how many people looking for a saddle want to spend under $1000 to buy it. The economics don’t support nice things anymore.

the stuff is still out there, but it will cost you to buy it. A Dobert snaffle bridle is about $700, a bench made saddle $4000 or more.

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I wonder though if adjusting for inflation, those are high prices compared to income. We only bought entry level gear in the 1970s. I think the leather has proven to be tough and durable, but you had to do a lot of the work yourself!

Also you must be quoting Western saddle prices because $4000 is low for a semi custom English saddle from a reputable brand!

I know what you mean. My riding teacher came to me wondering if I had an 18" saddle in my tack collection for one of her students. I ride in 17" saddles but I did still have my first good saddle, an 18" Stubben Siegfried that is 48 years old and needs a sheepskin seat saver since the seat cushion/slings has worn out. This saddle took me FOREVER to break in. The leather is still thick on the flaps, just a few creases on the seat (the tree is fine) and the most work I had done on it was replacing 2 billet straps. The saddle is definitely still usable though. it may need to be re-flocked, for the first time in its life. I am taking much better care of my new saddle with the hopes that it will last the rest of my life (I’m 67.) I have some hope of this since I only ride 1 1/2 hours a week. That Stubben I may be moving on–well I rode in it at least 14 hours a week for many years, and in the past twenty years I could still lard it up and it was in good shape every time I needed to use it since it was the only saddle I had that fit some horses. My 46 year old Crosby is also going strong.

My first bridle, a cheapo Argentine bridle that I got used, just lasted for around 20 years.

I find that if I work a LOT of lard into modern strap goods that I can finally get the leather to resemble the leather of the old time English leather bridles, nice, supple, and strong (keep the lard away from all rubber and metal, though, and make sure to put the ends of the straps into the keepers because the leather will swell.)

We will probably never see that type of quality ever again.

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Brand new Frank Baines custom dressage saddle: $4395.

I was quoting English made brands, not French.

Ah. I’m in Canada so add 30 % just for the exchange rate :slight_smile:

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That’s why I cannot give up on all of my gorgeous hunter bridles and martingales, or even my jumper tack and saddles, even though it is all 20 years old or older. I take it out every year or two and condition it and put it back. I guess I should put all of it in my will to go to - whom? My dressage stuff is also gorgeous, much of it is Jerry’s and he retired recently. Sigh.

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SHHH! Don’t tell anyone! For the last 30 years or so I have quietly snapped up older saddles that are in good shape at extremely reasonable prices simply because they were ‘old’ and the modern trend has been strongly in the direction of valuing newness over quality. If you know good quality when you see it and are good at leather care, age is not a problem.

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I disagree that the trend values newness over quality. The trend values fit over quality and many 30 year old saddles are much too narrow in the gullet for modern sporthorses.

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Fit is a completely separate issue.

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I do not know if this is true, but I was told that the hides have decreased in quality because of the fact that the cattle are sent to slaughter at a younger age. Also, I don’t think it is done anymore, but at one point I think they were given steroids to make them gain weight quickly Certainly some are still given antibiotics.
Supposedly all this has resulted in thinner, weaker hides.
I have no proof, just hearsay, but it is an interesting thought. I wonder if any COTHers have any thoughts or info?

Europe saw a drop in leather availability after the cattle herds were called for Mad Cow Disease.

Tangential, but did anyone else notice that wool sweaters disappeared a few years ago and only slowly are making a comeback? Wildfires in Australia that killed off a huge number of sheep. I was in a knitting supply store about ten years ago the year of the fire, and they warned me a wool shortage was on the way then.

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Right, and I’m telling you that the vast majority of those old, “good deal” saddles don’t fit.

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Another issue is that few people will pay $150 for a vintage Stubben or pancake Passier, and then pay $300 to get it stripped and reflocked. So there are some scary hard lumpy saddles out there.

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Fit is fit. The ones I have fit quite well, thank you. And the leather is better than anything I see in the tack shops new.

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Many saddle fitters have concerns about the generally narrower channel on I would say all older saddles, compared to modern ones. This isn’t necessarily going to cause trouble on every horse, but you will get a comment about this from every saddle fitter who looks at your older saddles :slight_smile: even the independent ones that aren’t trying to upsell you.

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The lack of quality is not limited to leather goods. I was looking for an additional set of cross ties. I found the product but thought the quality of the hardware was nothing like the 20 year old cross ties I had. It felt lighter. Within 7 days of very easy use the hardware failed. The snap is completely useless. Very disappointed.

I was talking to a saddler a couple of months ago who told me that modern leather is much drier than it ever used to be: that greasy coating has disappeared, and the colour of dye is not as deep into the leather either. Leather is now tanned using non-vegetable methods and I think this affects the quality considerably. There is, I believe, only one tradional tannery left in the UK and their costs are massive because the tradional methods take months of time whilst the modern method are much faster.