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As in the case of Dressage Hub being banned from the venue in Florida.

I participate in a clinic series where you get an official video of all your rides but are not supposed to post it publicly and are not allowed to take other photos or video of rides.

It’s quite a sensible rule and since it’s a relatively small group and ongoing it can be enforced.

Not everything needs to go public.

The vast overload of random stuff on the internet protects most low level folk in all areas from much attention or scrutiny unless something “goes viral.” How many of us were actually watching the Del Mar feed in real time to catch this versus finding out about it on social media? A very bad ride like this could slip under the radar if no one who saw it was inclined to post it to a large forum.

I expect most ammies never thought through the fact that live feed means they are being broadcast to the world unedited and unfiltered with a commentator you didn’t even hear during the ride.

That’s pretty intimidating. Especially if you figure the whole world will be scrutinizing the next feed looking for click bait.

I agree that in a reasonable world most ammies should have nothing to fear. But as we see with Dressage Hub and Writing About Riding and no doubt lots of personal FB pages, anyone can be the focus of intense and not fully warranted attack.

COTH is probably more level headed than most other sites that allow actual discussion and opinion.

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Agree, yeah, this situation brings to light many concerns.
However, this is “a warranted” attack.

“not everything needs to go public”… perhaps. yes,

In the end, did we/are we accomplishing anything here? I am heartened to see many agree with me, so I am not alone in cringing for the horse. It really does upset me. I am not just typing here because I am bored or want to hear myself…um type. I have a lot going on but this is worth my attention.

At least I said something and if that helps someone else who is reading along and is able to better educate themselves on dressage, I am greatful for this platform to do so.

Dialog is very important in problem solving, it’d be even better to have the players involved-- but we can at least be heard here “on record”.

This is just like Maryanne Little- that was the same storyline. I don’t think things changed from that. However, you can’t lie in those photos. I no longer support her as a rider and I turn the channel :slight_smile:

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This. This exactly.

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I have been mulling over this thread. Today I was trying to think of other human endeavors that sometimes result in a strong audience response and I thought of opera. Audiences have a long history of booing opera performances:

http://www.broadstreetreview.com/music/Why_opera_audiences_boo#

I would equate the response to the Friday ride to opera booing. The railbirds in both settings are entitled to their opinions IMHO. If it’s too strong for some people, well, knowledgeable folks were offended by what you did. Some self examination may be in order.

Even Axel Steiner’s commentary was telling - he said “while this rider is using the ring… I’ll answer a question sent in”. I honestly believe he remembered her from the day before and was just not going to comment. Booing by omission? Saying she was “using the ring” was a subtle but catty dig, doncha think?

The only part of this whole mess that I have yet to see discussed is what should have happened? Can some of you rule mavens spell out what the judges are expected to do? Is there a hole in the rules so that judges don’t have the process spelled out for handling this kind of performance?

Dressage folks are, for the most part, earnest rule followers with the interest of the horse foremost. Could it be that this situation caught everyone by surprise? Sure seems like it…

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She was disqualified for this ride for taking her hands off the reins. There is a lot of grey area here, but apparently those at the show can bring this to the attention of the staff.

I had hoped an inquiry would happen from the stewards.

The problem is not just in no opening of an inquiry, it was the blatant cover up and “high score” of 51%. No one stepped up to the plate.

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Based on the video there were few to no spectators, so unlikely that someone at the show would file a complaint to the powers that be either at the show or w/ USEF. If, in fact, someone did file something, we may never know.

Second, buried deep in the USEF Dressage rules is a statement that the judge at C can eliminate for cruelty or abuse during the ride. Given that the elimination happened after the fact for the hands violation, either they didn’t see abuse/cruelty or they didn’t want to acknowledge it and had an easier, “fact based” reason. Most likely we will never know…

Last, while there may be disagreements here re other things, I suspect there is 100% agreement that the score was higher that deserved. The details of that we will likely never know.

IMO it would be useful and good for the sport if someone - show manager, TD, judge or whoever - would step up and address the second two points.

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Seems there is some thread started here from the farm where that woman trains. I have not opened it.
Interesting.

It’s just a list of testimonials from students. Nothing surprising.

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Didn’t mean to pounce on anyone. I’m sorry if you took my reply personally. Trying to make the point that the ride speaks for itself.

Every time I view this thread I see, to the right, the pics flicking past on the Chronicle Headlines bit… and this pic of what appears to be what I would want in my relationship with my Dressage mount, and it makes me sad for Vorst D

http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/…estival-cdi-w#

Sorry, 12th pic of Nick W and a chestnut horse who clearly likes Nick W.

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nope, I did not say that. Deduce all you want though!

You are welcome? Did you thank me? :wink:

I am not insulting anyone, but I am encouraging people to use their trained eye to examine carefully what the aids Actually are.

I am sure your eye is just fine and fabulous, far better than my myopic old peeper.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

oh my I found another one. Somehow my saying that it takes a trained eye is taken to mean that everyone but me is stupid and ignorant. I did not mean that! I just would like for folks to examine closely.

Geeze Louise. I need a glass of whine and a long weekend.

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How would you expect people to take it? Seriously.

Maybe you need to look again. Did you watch the Friday test?

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the aids are ineffective and the rider has no influence positively over the horse, therefore she has to get all waky and slappy.

A horse on the aids might need a kick here and there, but geez this is a complete abandonment of any thoughtfulness.

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@trubandloki

@SendenHorse @Ambitious Kate @meupatdoes , is this an okay edit? Bolded words are added.

If you are riding at that level and have to Pony Club kick your horse with spurs because you are water skiing on the curb rein - you have ineffective aids.

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Beautiful picture…I know this is from another discipline, but I have always loved this picture of Michael Jung and Sam at Rio:

http://eventingnation.com/michael-jung-to-make-show-jumping-team-debut-for-germany/

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I agree and I don’t think there is anyone on this board who has suggested or implied that these videos suggest otherwise.

Or did I miss some errant post?

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Exactly.
It’s what I miss most about horses, is when they make it clear that you are their person, in large part because you’ve earned that designation.
Sad that some may never get that out of whatever discipline they are in.

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