Diann Langer’s abuse article

The video doesn’t have anything to do with the initials.

https://dihp.showgroundslive.com/classes/detail?cid=52002&sid=5136&cgid=200002299&ring=2

Yikes, that was gross. Poor giant horse. :frowning:

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Thanks for the link.

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I was actually taught how to give injections as a junior during a Pony Club clinic that a local vet did, many moons ago. For older, more advanced pony clubbers (C-2 and above, I think).

Anyway, after that, when our home vet came to do routine IM injections (vaccines, adequan), she would supervise me, and I administered them to my own horse, for a while, until I got comfortable and competent.

It was a good way to learn. And that’s proven to be a useful skill over the long run.

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It’s an invaluable skill to have, especially when your vet might be over an hour away, despite some people thinking that only vets should give injections.

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I allowed a 10 year old to give my horse an injection. I don’t remember what it was but I believe it was a tetanus booster since we were at the vet for a laceration down to the bone.

The kid had gone with the trainer to be a show groom and got to witness the whole disaster involving my horse. They spent all day at the show and then begged to go to the vet and watch all of that. No one batted an eye and it made the kid’s day. I think she was more excited about the vet trip than the show.

We debated having a vet at the show do it, but then the kid wouldn’t have been able to give the injection.

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Ok, I watched the video. Looks like almost every horse I’ve seen ridden and jumping in draw reins. So do I think you should ride in draw reins? No. But it’s not exactly as described. Yes, the horse trotted around some corners but what are you all seeing that’s so awful other than the fact that draw reins really impede the horse. (FYI, I had visions from the description of an overbent, “trantering” horse. Did not see that.

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Actually that is a German martingale not draw reins.

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I’d like to watch the video after reading all the comments. Can someone tell me which one to watch? Thank you!

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Are we really going to do drugs and draw reins in the same thread? I think I’m 20 years too old for this now.

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It cross cantered to several jumps…not mad about trotting changes, but the consistent cross canter. And entering the ring with illegal tack? (Granted it’s only illegal in this instance because that class offered prize money). I think I described it pretty accurately except for the fact that I couldn’t tell if they hooked draw reins to the breast plate or if it was a German martingale.

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For the record, I don’t equate the two. The round as a whole is what I have a problem with. And that that horse is in training with a well-known, high-level barn.

It’s just something I was adding to a conversation as a whole. That trainers at the highest level blatantly don’t follow rules and it’s the horses who suffer. That is all.

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The horse that was DSQ - at the bottom of the entry list, number 2135

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Back in the day many of us were allowed to do that at home. We now know better not to do that, especially where other peoples horses are concerned, and there is certainly no excuse for juniors giving injections to horses at USEF shows. That is the issue that Ms. Langer brought up in the article that was the subject here.

Some barns may still have unqualified people inject other people’s horses at home, but we aren’t discussing home barns’ best practices, policies, or lack thereof. This is a discussion about what USEF can do to get a grip on the abuse under its rules.

When people are caring for insured horses, or horses that they care about, they don’t allow kids to inject any horses other than their own, that they are willing to take a chance on, and it surely shouldn’t be happening at rated shows.

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"Some people " may object to a 14 year old giving injections in this day and age, because there can be very serious consequences when unqualified people, not to mention juniors, inject other peoples horses or their own at USEF shows, or at their local home barn.

I have never encountered an equine emergency that required a 14 year old kid to be the responsible party to give an injection at a USEF show. If that scenario exists, there is no excuse for adults allowing it.

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Please say the name.

That horse never missed a week last year at WEC Ocala. As in he showed every week on a three month winter circuit. Imagine what his med bill was every month

It’s disgusting and wow, I so badly wanted to send it to the USEF, I don’t even know these people but it was so irking to me.

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This an example of inaccurate reporting and what makes it hard to actually make progress in monitoring welfare.

This horse showed Week1,3,4,6,7,9 and 11. Easy to see looking at his record. Then had the month off before going North. So no- he had weeks off. I have no affiliation with this horse but since you put a horse and video that clearly identified the animal and owner- I did a quick check.

The video does not show a “clearly drugged horse” at Devon. I have no way of knowing that horse was or wasn’t, but the line he is coming down in the Wheeler/Gold ring has the fair to the left, booths, exhibitor lounge so the horse very well could have been distracted and not drugged, as he executes a pretty flawless change after almost falling on his face.

My point to everyone- inaccurate information such as the above is also part of the problem.

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Your whole post was amazing, but this line sums it up so perfectly.
Heck, There is all those things at pony club rallies, where safety and all that stuff is in theory one of hte main points of the teaching process.

What worries me about this is that though we (general) may ask questions and observe to the best of our ability, we still can not control what others might do that we do not know about.
It is easy to say we should know, but truly how do we know?
If you (general) are a working owner whose horse spends far more time at a show in the control of others, while you work the job that allows you to afford to do this, you have no way of knowing what is going on when you are not there.
Yes, hire people that you can trust. I would think that most (clearly not all) people think they are doing that.

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