Did USDF shut down Centerline Scores?

From what I can tell from their Facebook page, it sounds like Centerline Scores has been shut down for good by the lovely folks at USDF so that people have to use their (members only) score database (which I can’t access because I’m not a USDF member, but based on the login page looks like it was designed by a 12-year-old using Geocities).

If so … what a great way to keep newcomers and people from other disciplines out of their sport. I’m an eventer, and was hoping to be able to research a dressage instructor that I am thinking of taking lessons from.

If they want to make scores available only on their website, they should at least make them available to the public, like USEA does.

Your absolutely correct! So sad they took centerline scores down… it wasn’t perfect by any means but it was allowing people to access information that should be available to the general public.

Of course don’t even get me started on how horrible USDF.org is… horrible format and non user friendly. You should see how archaic entries still are. Just unbelievable! I came over from eventing 6 years ago and I’m still gobsmacked that the dressage community thinks their entry system and omnibus is at all useful.

Just to give you an idea… long term friend been in dressage for years and had no idea of a show an hour from her… I was like yes they have shows… she’s like but not recognized shows… I’m like yes they are recognized and there are 5 a year… she’s like but it’s not on usdf… nope it’s on their own website (who does that??? And then wonders why numbers are down!!)

Plain and simple it’s a mess! And evidently the dressage community, at large, likes it that way.

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Interesting. I’ve been tryng to get on Centerline periodically over the last week or two. Kept wondering why it wasn’t working. Nice of someone (USDF or Centerline) to put a notice somewhere. Or did I miss it?

@Guyot Thanks for the information!

It’s a shame they choose to do it that way … it’s certainly discouraging for people who may cross over from other disciplines, or are interested in dressage but don’t quite know where to start. Centerline scores was a bit glitchy, but at least they allowed the public free access to scores.

USEA may not be perfect, but at least their website is reasonably user friendly (both the public site and member services) and the last few years of results are free to the public.

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I’m sorry to have to report that compared to the eventing entry system, you will be frustrated.

Im not the most computer literate person but setting up my horses and myself for the show season the first year required hours and I had to enlist help because it was confusing. Then when I tried to enter my first show; I wanted to cry… it was like I had been transported back to the late 80s, early90s entries… complete with mail in your memebership cards!!

I still cant believe there isn’t a standized entry for every recognized show. Or that there is no date hold for shows in each region. Anyone on any day can hold a show… so some shows are over full and the rest strugggle… or all struggle. I think in July there is one week with 5 recognized dressage shows less then an hour from me. More if you added in schooling shows, and those are the ones I know about, could be more.

How do you know CLS is shut down by USDF? I have been trying to access it too, and came to COTH to see if anyone else knows. I messaged CLS on Facebook but they have not replied. I am a USDF member but CLS is much more user friendly, plus I like their ratings system.

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My opinion is that the USEF website is better than USDF and CS. You can see things on USEF, that were not on USDF/CS. For example, if a horse was showing in the hunter/jumper, their scores will be there. Also, some breeding classes. The other thing the USEF has (and USDF I think) is the list of people in the class, the placings, and the judge. I find this valuable. I won’t miss CS as I rarely went there.

Not a real solution, but if you want to PM me, I can look up scores for you as I am a USDF member.

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I haven’t been able to get on the website for weeks but I don’t see any “official” announment that USDF shut them down.

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What a shame. When I was looking for a horse to buy I looked up scores of the horses and their riders.

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I’ve gotta say, I prefer USEF’s records and usdfscores.com to Centerline any day-mainly because for the last TWO years, my information was not UTD. I would click on my name, the page would take a bit to load, and then it would tell me that I last showed so and so 4 months ago…when the show was 2 years ago. Click on that link, and then nothing would load at all. I thought it might be my laptop. So I tried on my phone, and then my work computer. Same problem. As far as CS was concerned, the last time I showed anything was 2 years ago. :confused:

After a while I became curious if maybe USDFscores was not on the 8-ball. They were. So was USEF. No problems there.

ETA-for those mourning the loss of Centerline Scores, Dressage Detective is a reasonably good alternative. I actually liked it better than Centerline as well, as the judges database is pretty nifty. Now, whether or not it stays online is the question!

I have heard about Centerline scores being absent or completely inaccurate. I wish the USDF had a public results section however.

I used Centerline Scores to research horse and rider capabilities, and I am going to miss it. You enter a horse name and see quickly how many times they showed at a level, lowest score, highest score and average. USDF scores dp not compare, and the the data presented there was a like a bad printed report - with no way to pull out the data and aggregate it. Yes, it is also annoying that this information requires a membership to see what little is there. If the motive for the shutdown is to increase memberships, that was shortsighted.

Another crossover from eventing here who cannot believe how horrible the dressage entry online system is. I do this stuff for a living and haven’t seen something this bad in years.

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You do exactly the same on USDF. It has all that information including the judge’s names, the accurate name of the show, and the placing. The Centerline had neither the judges’ names nor the placings and they often called the shows something other than what they are officially titled. USDF also indicates whether the tests were GAIG qualifying tests. And they show the medians not only for each level, but for every test at a level, both horse and rider. They list a rider’s medal achievements shortly after the requirements are met, CL got around to adding those within six months to a year, and sometimes not at all.

I don’t understand what you mean by this. It compares very favorably and is accurate, easier, and better. It’s easy to switch a lookup from rider to horse, or horse to rider, and to view the entire history of either.

USDF’s records are easier, better, more in depth, and most importantly ACCURATE, in addition to being official. Centerline scores is just someone at home entering whatever they feel like from other sources, whenever they feel like, skipping what they don’t, ignoring requests from individuals whose info is listed inaccurately on their unofficial site, and to top it off, arbitrarily assigning a rating system.

CL is like a ham radio operator as compared to PBS. Kinda fun that they’re out there, playing around on their own, and there’s nothing wrong with their hobby. Maybe you listen in for a giggle every once in awhile. But you wouldn’t want to claim that’s where you get all your news.

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Dressage Detective is pretty good, but only goes back to 2010 for show records.

I miss CL scores. I don’t show and will be starting up lessons again in the near future. I look for instructors who’ve ridden many horses and done well at the upper levels, in addition to other factors. I’ve heard people tell others that they were a Grand Prix rider or PSG, but didn’t show because of the money, so they just gave lessons. What few scores they had on CL showed they did marginally well (50s and really low 60s) at 1st and 2nd level. I’ve moved and while I was traveling 68 miles for a lesson before, it’s a longer distance now. I need to find someone closer to me who knows what they’re doing. I’ve been trying to access CL for a few weeks and nothing. I’ll miss it!

I also agree that Dressage detective is an ok alternative for horse rider and judge info. I have several friends who were abscessed with the centerline scores star rating system and were chasing scores to get stores on that page. Guess that’s all for nought now…

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Wonder if they just shut down access to the DB and that ended Centerline piggy backing off their data. Something I thought should have been done years ago since data is NOT free (contrary to what everyone out here seemed to think at the time). It’s gathered, compiled, and entered by people and then managed on systems paid for by the USDF (at least where I believe Centerline was drawing their data from) members. So I have no problem with it being locked down by USDF. My only issue is with anyone thinking the USDF site is good. It sucks. It REALLY sucks. Their developers are awful, and their IT manager(s) are not very educated in web design and usability. It could be SO much better, but they won’t listen to members with a lot more experience who are willing to help them for free. (Yep, I’m one of those disgusted by the USDF these days.)

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