Did USDF shut down Centerline Scores?

[pluvinel]

Back probably 10-12 yrs ago, the founder of Centerline offered/asked to collaborate with USDF. What does USDF do, they exclude him from their information.

They could have easily done some “cost sharing” arrangement where he could have done the Web design and IT backbone for the the site score lookup in exchange for information. It would have been a “win/win” as they say in business consulting.

But Nooooo…USDF spends member moneys to support an inferior system that they could have had for little or no cost.

[yaya]

@asterix

Another crossover from eventing here who cannot believe how horrible the dressage entry online system is. I do this stuff for a living and haven’t seen something this bad in years.

Which system are you talking about? There is no central entry program, but a couple of independent ones with no ties to USDF. There is Equestrian Entries, Horse Show Office, and I’m sure a few others I have never heard about or used.

[Glyphica]

I’m another person who likes USDFScores over CLS. Accurate information, and apart from not showing horse awards and championship placings, the site has all the features of CLS without the faulty info. I do think it should be made public, and I would like to see horses awards and championship placings added.

I also don’t understand the complaints about entries. All the shows I’ve done this year used Equestrian Entries, which is super quick and user friendly.

[AZ_TD]

I have no problem with the USDF system, takes a bit to become familiar with it. Also, I am happy that USDF does not allow CL scores access to its data base, which I help pay for as a member.

[atlatl]

I wasn’t a big fan of the USDF system when it first debuted, but since then, I’ve figured out how to make it work for me.

Would I have designed it that way; probably not, but I also recognize that not all end users like the same thing.

I echo the sentiment regarding requiring membership to access materials generated by membership fees. I like having a single source of “truth.”

For years, AQHA has kept records and archives that are “members only.” I don’t have a problem with that.

[TwoRoads]

With today’s obsession with data privacy I’m really surprised you can even look up other people’s records at all to be honest. Like, I can’t do anything with that information that is nefarious, but I don’t know that I love the idea of people being able to look up every single score I ever got. People are mean and social media can get nasty.

[soloudinhere]

@yaya

Which system are you talking about? There is no central entry program, but a couple of independent ones with no ties to USDF. There is Equestrian Entries, Horse Show Office, and I’m sure a few others I have never heard about or used.

On the Eventing side of the house, USEA has its own entry portal that events can use that makes it very easy to enter. Evententries is slightly more complicated than Xentry. The horseshowoffice thing that most dressage shows use is terrible and the website/forms are straight out of 2002.

[atlatl]

@TwoRoads

With today’s obsession with data privacy I’m really surprised you can even look up other people’s records at all to be honest. Like, I can’t do anything with that information that is nefarious, but I don’t know that I love the idea of people being able to look up every single score I ever got. People are mean and social media can get nasty.

Given that total scores are routinely posted out in the open at shows, mean people can still be nasty. It’s just up to the rest of us to ignore such behavior

[TequilaMockingbird]

Does anyone have something more than hearsay to prove it was the USDF? Could be completely false.

If that really was the reason, that is very unfortunate. It’s certainly possible that the owner(s) of Centerline Scores wanted too much money from the USDF. Or maybe they asked for a totally reasonable amount for the dev time required but USDF still couldn’t pay it.

Regardless of what really happened, I am going to miss it. Had they partnered with USDF, that would have been an amazing source of information. I know it was incomplete but the GUI was so well designed. I loved that it pulled up possible search results as you were typing. I thought everything was very well laid out and user friendly.

Has anyone on here ever worked for USDF beyond just volunteering for something local? I’m curious how organized they are in general.

[Hilary]

Another USEA comparison - the general data about how a horse/rider fared at a USEA event is public back a couple of years. If you want the full report on a horse’s life history you need to be a member, but the public can easily get the basics. it is not organized the way CL or DD is - one place for horse, one place for rider, another place if you want to see the whole show, but you can do some linking between pages.

[3rottenponies]

@Magicboy

I also agree that Dressage detective is an ok alternative for horse rider and judge info. I have several friends who were abscessed with the centerline scores star rating system and were chasing scores to get stores on that page. Guess that’s all for nought now…

Oh man, the hots for the star rating system was ridiculous. I have seen several drapes/banners/business cards that now sport "5* CL rider*…reeeealllllyyyy…lol

[3rottenponies]

When you all mentioned USDF, are you talking about the actual USDF website or USDFscores.com? I am REALLY not a fan on USDF’s website, in fact I try to avoid it as much as possible. But I find navigating USDF Scores to be a breeze. Am I the only one?

[meupatdoes]

@Guyot

I’m sorry to have to report that compared to the eventing entry system, you will be frustrated.

Im not the most computer literate person but setting up my horses and myself for the show season the first year required hours and I had to enlist help because it was confusing. Then when I tried to enter my first show; I wanted to cry… it was like I had been transported back to the late 80s, early90s entries… complete with mail in your memebership cards!!

I still cant believe there isn’t a standized entry for every recognized show. Or that there is no date hold for shows in each region. Anyone on any day can hold a show… so some shows are over full and the rest strugggle… or all struggle. I think in July there is one week with 5 recognized dressage shows less then an hour from me. More if you added in schooling shows, and those are the ones I know about, could be more.

When I dragged myself forth from the home farm to get my bronze scores, I remember the utter morass that was trying to get every last rider and horse membership number in order and all of the things that were required to send in a complete entry.

I finally gave up trying to keep track of it all in my head and just typed out a closing checklist like I did in my BigLaw days.

It should not require legal experience to keep track of all the parts of a horseshow entry, I’m just saying.

[Silverbridge]

@3rottenponies

When you all mentioned USDF, are you talking about the actual USDF website or USDFscores.com? I am REALLY not a fan on USDF’s website, in fact I try to avoid it as much as possible. But I find navigating USDF Scores to be a breeze. Am I the only one?

Not sure what you mean. They are the same site.

You can access the score check and history pages by typing in “usdfscores.com”, but you are routed through usdf and you still need to log in. And the URL at the top of the site reads “usdf.org” while you are negotiating through score lookups. You’re on the USDF site.

OR, you can type in “usdf.org” and go to the usdf home page and locate “score checks” under the “competition” pull down menu.

It’s two different routes to exactly the same site and the same pages.

[Silverbridge]

@TequilaMockingbird

I loved that it pulled up possible search results as you were typing.

The USDF site does that, too.

[asterix]

Equestrianentries is the one local shows seem to use. Gah!!!

[AZ_TD]

@asterix

Equestrianentries is the one local shows seem to use. Gah!!!

I like equestrian entries, very easy to use. What don’t you like about it?

[joiedevie99]

I always liked CL scores. I guess I’ll have to get used to the USDF system.

Our local shows all use Horse Show Office for entries. The interface is primitive, but it works completely fine and is much faster than filling out the entry form manually. I don’t have to type everything - I enter USDF numbers and it autofills the rest.

[NJRider]

update: https://www.patreon.com/centerlinescores

[Guyot]

UGH!