did you know that cleveland bays

which are one of the oldest driving horses are on the rare breed critical list,
there are as quoted in the nags mags mag a little mag that covers driving a lot
saying that there’s only about 500 pure breds in the world,

Cleveland Bays are now on sparks-- a single population animal records keeping system
i didnt know where to put this little bit of an article but as the Cleveland bay was mainly used as a driving horse and was at one time, the horse that everyone relied on, thought that the driving forum was the best bet,

quote - Article written by hilary britton
A horse with a history and a future
My Biggest concern whilse writing this was that it would be just another article
about a rare breed which leaves the reader feeling rather depressed and disinterested
With this in mind i aim instead to " sew a seed" in the hope that someone else out there might be inspired and consider thier options when buying there next warmblood
i worry this title of “rare breed” is a self fullfilling prophecy

the UNSUNG HEROES OF BRITISH HISTORY

the Cleveland bay is is Britain’s oldest breed, originating from Cleveland.
North Yorkshire, they date back as far as the middle ages. Where a clean legged sturdy
bay coloured horse developed they became known as " The Chapman- horse"

where they were used to carry goods,by travelling salesman of the same name.

They were refined over the centuries into a strong but athletic ride and drive animal
that could go hunting but could still plough the land and pull carts,
the same requirements that were sculpted the more widely known breeds ie
Oldenburg, Hanoverian , Trackehner, Gelderlander, Holsteiner etc,

Being as ancient as it is the Cleveland Bay can actually be found in all the acestories
in all the above breeds.
As roads improved there was a need for a bigger and faster animal and thoroughbred
blood was introduced, The Cleveland Bay adopted yet another name being the
“Yorkshire coach horse” although still true to type both the bloodier coach horse as well as the sturdier “Chapman” stamp is still apparent in breeds today.

During the 1800’s the trend for coaching horses opened up an export market, The cleveland
was used in Europe and thousands were sold to America
the Next century was not so kindand sadly the Cleveland,s lost there lives on the battle field
of the 1st world war.

They were then driven near to extinction in the 1960’s due to the use of modern
transport fortunately Queen Elizabeth 11 gave so much needed support and began using
the Cleveland’s they are still used in ceremonial duties to this day.

it also quotes-

thorough generations of traditional breeding we have lost much of the cleveland bays genetic
meterial.Given the small population this is scarey, intelligent breeding of the cleveland is paramount of the future.
One thing not helping i the cuase of the cleveland bay has with some nagative reputation
stubborn, aggressive, are descriptions used

from talking to other sand own experiences have found that they are basically intelligent
and if they mistrust you they will question your judgement having said that once you gain there trust they will walk through hell for you. Hence why they used them in years gone by as a stoic war horses and police horses.

Its sad that people even judge them as a breed given how few there are around these days
i cannot see how an opnion can be fairly formed. it begs the question that if they were not
" trainable" why on earth would people have continued breeding for centuries
especially when in days gone by the horses wasnt just a leisure it was a daily necesity

the Cleveland bay - are 16-16.2hh
bay with black points . black mane tail and legs and no white beyond a very small star

the feet must be in best should be blue in colour

i know Thomas gets the mag sometimes i know he has Cleveland bays i also have had partbred and x breds with Clevelands they are an eceptional horse to work with
even though i have only had part breds i didn’t realise how close to extinction they are
until i read the the aritcle

i always knew they had a lot to do with history and 1st world wars etc and some were shipped to Africa of which none returned

and i think its sad that this true general all rounder hat is so versitle in both ridden and driven- has to be on a rare breeds list

Thomas you must know more about clevelands i bet

Cleveland Bays

Thank you for posting this.

The Cleveland Bay Horse is in trouble. Its population numbers are low, so low it is in danger of disappearing. In North America, there are about 150 purebreds. Maybe someone in the know will post an accurate figure, but I am in the ballpark. There are more in the UK, but based on what I know, the number is apt to be around 700.

Since there are so few Cleveland Bays, many people have never seen a purebred in person. Most mares are used for breeding. There are a few geldings. For whatever reason, in N.A., the stallions remain in the breeding barn.

If you want to be involved with a breed where you can make a big difference, this is it. The breed desperately needs more people who want to own/breed these horses.

For a rare breed, prices are cheap. I suspect therein lies part of the problem. If purebred youngstock were selling quickly and at good prices, everyone with a purebred mare would try to make sure the mare had a purebred foal. Even before the rotten economy, this was not the case. Too many purebred mares, here and in the UK are bred to something other than a CB stallion.

Hopefully, others will add to this thread.

Clevies are magnificent! It seems there’s nothing they can’t do. Fantastic for driving, of course–that’s what they’re for–but also wonderful at hunting, jumping, and dressage. How I would love to have a Cleveland mare! In any case I intend to breed my little TB mare to a perfectly splendid Cleveland stallion from Idle Hour Stud in St. Michaels, PA.

I second Ashby CB’s are a magnificent breed. I grew up with them and have 2 crossbreds myself. They make great driving horses!!. A friend of mine had a very nice stud in the UK if anyone would like to know more about the breed. Her site is www.pembridgestud.com Her name is Kate.

Robert
Tandem Hill Farm
www.tandemhillfarm.com

And I forgot to mention: they have a great attitude.
Maybe someday I can have one.

heres another aritcle on a bb stable talk

they say on 22 mare were registered- thats shocking. your mate has a nice stud tandum

http://www.stabletalk.co.uk/articles/article82.php

They are handsome and impressive horses! It’s so important to use the mares for purebreeding when there are so few - every crossbred foal is a lost year in the mare’s breeding life. Although I’ve heard great things about TB crosses - maybe that is the destiny of the CB?

I have two partbred mares. One is a CB/TB and the other is a Perch/CB/TB.
Very affectionate, low key (unless someone drags a green hose through the grass that looks like a huge snake :winkgrin:–black hoses OK but green not???). They follow me up the hill to dinner, hang out in the round pen, then follow me downhill back to the pasture for evening grazing.
Very smart horses. Excellent feet, excellent legs. My husband loves them and he is not a horse person.
There will be pures at KHP in Sept for the rare breeds show. I’ll be there sans horses, scribing for the dressage classes.
I believe there are CB classes at Warrenton on Thursday.

Forgot to add that as with other horses and the down market, there are some wonderful CBx’s available at good prices. (Hope this is legal, Moderator :confused: )

It won’t be their destiny for long if no one dedicates themselves to populating the hillsides w/purebred fillies and colts. sylvia

The problem with crossbreeding for the Cleveland Bay is that without the purebred, there will be no crossbreds. It is both a blessing and a curse that the cross so well, especially with the Thoroughbred. Often a CB/TB cross is very athletic with a good mind and great looks. Some of the crosses have sold for more than the pures.

As 3dogfarm as noted, there are some bargains out there. Heck, even the pures are often bargains when you consider the scarcity of this breed.

The population numbers are so low that unless some of the current & future stallion owners begin showing their stallions, the public will continue to be unlikely to encounter a purebred.

CB sires are often prepotent and the crosses look very CB-ish.

How about a purebred filly for $500!!

http://spokane.craigslist.org/grd/766097881.html

Producing more purebreds means that breeders need to be able to sell their youngstock at a fair price. I hope that more threads like this one will get more people interested in the breed — and interested enough that they become owners and perhaps future breeders.

3dogfarm, Did you buy your Perch/CB/TB from me in VA?? I sold a pair to a nice lady up there that drove.
If so how are they doing? I kept two myself. They are both doing very well, the one is growing like crazy, I think there both up to 16h already. They will make a nice drivng pair one day.

Robert
Tandem Hill Farm
www.tandemhillfarm.com

Msrobin, the $500 filly on Craiglist is not a purebred. Her sire is half CB. I suspect this filly is 1/4 CB. However, she is still a bargain. The filly’s grandsire that is the purebred CB is a lovely horse that stands in Oregon named Tregoyd William.

Hi tandem4u-
Nope, but I sure like your horses! I’ve looked at your web site in the past.
Both of my mares I got through Maria @ Frosty Oaks Farm. Lilly, the Perch/CB/TB is from Michigan, Contention is from Legacy Cleveland Bays in BC. We are trying to trace Lilly’s CB line-think her grandsire was Levenmouth Kyle. Contention is by Forest Fellow and is registered.
Met Kate at Upperville a few years ago. We didn’t make it this year, won’t be making it to Warrenton. We met Colin at Anna and Daniel’s a few years ago.

Tracie is taking her pure stallion to KHP (Wolfie, not sure about Tees).

I always tell my husband “never take me to the UK”…CBs and Border Collies-I’d never return to the USA! My mother’s family came from Wales.

I LOVE Clevelands!!

This is the first time I’ve been on this forum, but HAD to pop in when I saw the thread.
I’ve loved Clevelands for 20 yrs, since I saw a CB/Tb eventing in Ontario. To paraphrase that Remington shaver guy, I liked the breed so much I went out and raised me one:winkgrin:! I have been lucky enough to see a purebred CB stallion in my mare’s sire Harrington Majestic(RIP:(), and he lived up to his moniker.
Had to add, CBs and CBx’s make excellent eventers; my mare was far better than the Preliminary level she evented to- her rider held her back.
Now that my mare(who is gray, btw, out of a gray TB mare) is retired from eventing due to those dratted melanomas growing around her throat, once she’s weaned from her AFR filly I’m going to try bringing her back for dressage, as she was at upper 3rd level before her “maternity leave”. I’m also going to look into starting her into driving (unless you all feel 13 is too old to be teaching her a “new trick”?)
As a last resort, she’ll be my broodmare extraordinaire, and I have definitely thought about contacting CB and CBx stallion owners as potential mates for her, or as a “loaner” (or ET donor) to get up to 3/4 CBs on the ground.
Let’s hope aspenlucas joins in-she’s got a CBx (and yummy, too:D).
msrobin- I may have to forward that ad onto the CB breeder here in BC- she’s not far from Spokane! Not Forest Fellow’s owner, the other one in the Slocan Valley. Ha- I didn’t think I recognized the filly’s sire as a purebred CB, but I definitely have heard of her grandsire, and I thought she had too many markings!!!

Yes, TN Lilly-too much white on that foal to be pure CB, but cute nonetheless and what a deal!

3dogfarm, I know the breeding of your horse! If you E-mail or call me I can give you all his info.
Take a trip to the UK ! Go and see Kates place, you will fall in LOVE with her horses. My father has a CB stallion over there in Scotland, so if you get up there, you could visit him! He’ll talk your ears off about CB’s Lol

Robert
Tandem Hill Farm
www.tandemhillfarm.com

I have a CB/TB gelding by Ramblers Renown that I love to pieces. We event at Training/Prelim. I love the cross, it combines the two breeds to make an ultimate event horse, in my opinion-a great mind, athletic, durable, brave… I guess that is a bad thing though, if everyone is breeding for the crosses the purebred will disapear. Lately I feel like I have been seeing more CB’s out eventing and kinda felt the breed was growing but I guess if they are all crosses…

I really want to find another. I dream of finding a nice mare and breeding to IdleHour Night Flight- I love the look of that horse!