Disappointed with eventing performance

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=Home Again Farm;6492697]
:yes::yes::yes: I would. The horse would not be a show jumper or an event horse, but I think any serious breeder’s dream is to get one of their’s to the highest level, either nationally or internationally. I can dream, anyway. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

<smile>…Me too HAF, me too. And am doing so this year. Stuck Belafonte d’Avalon under Rebecca Brown and sending Dracula d’Avalon to Philesha Chandler in two months. Both are young. Both are American. Both are talented. The riders, of course…it’s a given the horses are right? <LOL>. Will they go international? Who knows. But, it will be fun to see if they can do it and I really see it as a win/win situation. If it doesn’t work, oh well. What have we lost.

Another question for discussion…do you think riders that have at least a partial ownership in the horse are more committed to success with that horse? Let’s face it, many of the horses get sold out from under the top level riders and while I can certainly appreciate that it would be virtually impossible to turn down a multi-million dollar offer, would it make a difference if the rider “does” have a vested interest financially? What say you COTH readers/posters :D!

[JER]

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6492664]
I dunno about the rest of you breeders here, but if I thought I had the horse that “could” represent our country, I’d be MORE than happy to put it under a U.S. rider that could take it all the way (emphasis being on U.S. rider). Forget having the rider having to figure out how to buy the horse.[/QUOTE]

As I’ve said earlier on this thread, I actually do this with the horses I breed. Not that I’m interested at all in the USEF Team pageant (I’m not) but because I believe that, as a breeder of event horses, I need to show that I’m breeding horses that will be successful at the top levels of the sport.

I just read through most of this thread and it’s a head-spinner. Lots of ignorance floating from the mouths of people who don’t know much about eventing or breeding for the sport.

[Snaffle81]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6486580]
They said the course was like a 5*…read the words from the course designer. This Olympic Games was a 3*…once again , read.[/QUOTE]

How can it be “like” something that doesn’t exist? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6487318]No. you people don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about. You don’t even know how to look something up for heavens sake. With every post you make yourselves look more and more and more and more foolish.

It’s right there if you take your blinders off.[/QUOTE]

And you seriously think you have “a clue” when you think that there’s such a thing as a 5*. :lol:

[_Tradewind]

I remember there was a rumor circulating a few years ago, right around the time the newer European 4s were introduced, that Badminton, Burghley and Rolex were going to receive the new designation of 5 as they were considered to be tougher than the other 4s (Adelaide, Luhmuhlen and Pau). This obviously never came to pass as there is currently no 5 competition in eventing, but perhaps this is where the confusion stems from?

[RyTimMick]

@Snaffle81;6493675

How can it be “like” something that doesn’t exist? :rolleyes:

And you seriously think you have “a clue” when you think that there’s such a thing as a 5*. :lol:

Snaffle, read for comprehension. It was a quote, not what Bayhawk said himself.

Tim

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Snaffle81;6493675]
How can it be “like” something that doesn’t exist? :rolleyes:

And you seriously think you have “a clue” when you think that there’s such a thing as a 5*. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Read…go back and read for comprehension. I posted the article that verbiage came from. You would know that if you bothered clicking on the link and reading the article.

[subk]

Just an FYI, Eventing Nation reported that Sue Benson predictied before XC ran that only two combinations would make it around her XC course clean and inside the time. (http://eventingnation.com/home/surprise-sunday-links.html Sorry, the accompanying video interview link with the article is no longer valid.)

I am completely mystified how a course designer could supposedly design a 3* course, yet believe that so few of the top 4 star horses in the world would master it.

[Snaffle81]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6493995]
Read…go back and read for comprehension. I posted the article that verbiage came from. You would know that if you bothered clicking on the link and reading the article.[/QUOTE]

Oh I did read.

[DLee]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6476066]

In my opinion the US Team was absolutely complacent in their preparations and training and it was magnified to the fullest in London.

.[/QUOTE]

I would love to see you say this in a room full of our top riders that just spent the last month or so in England.

You know them personally and their training program intimately… right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=DLee;6495212]
I would love to see you say this in a room full of our top riders that just spent the last month or so in England.

You know them personally and their training program intimately… right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I would absolutely say it. I’m not the only one either.

23 faults in stadium accompanied by a refusal by one of the ‘top dogs’…please. this was certainly complacent preparation.

[shea_smom]

If you ever spent 5 minutes around Phillip, you would know this is a ridiculous statement.

[Renascence]

Advanced eventing wins usually go to long term partnerships on tbs or tb types.

Captain Philips pushed a different model on the team. He wanted riders with a string of big $ made up horses with big $ owners to keep buying more of the same for them.

I hope DOC trains our team with a different philosophy.

[RyTimMick]

@Renascence;6496012

Advanced eventing wins usually go to long term partnerships on tbs or tb types.

Captain Philips pushed a different model on the team. He wanted riders with a string of big $ made up horses with big $ owners to keep buying more of the same for them.

I hope DOC trains our team with a different philosophy.

Again, our best performance was by Karen who was riding the “big $ made up horse” not the TB or TB type you are speaking of. Maybe the Captain is on to something?

Tim

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=shea’smom;6495911]
If you ever spent 5 minutes around Phillip, you would know this is a ridiculous statement.[/QUOTE]

23 faults and refuse over fences my German Shepherd could get over…the proof is in the taste of the pudding.

[omare]

But Mystery Whisper also meets you description RTMK and he is the one with 23 faults in stadium…

I don’t think you can blame the thorughbred when that is not what was sent by the USA and what competed well for all of the countries for the most part had plenty of blood up close (except the Swedish horse and maybe that breds more like blood?? like the french horses??? )

I guess if someone had enough money, a USA ULR could have bought Jung’s gold medalist horse pre-olympics and how would that have turned out? (I suspect not as well without the established partner Jung in the irons.)

[ponygirl]

And Minor Frolic bested Mr. Mendicott’s score in all 3 phases so can we really stop with breed volleys? Maybe I’m just grumpy today but it’s starting to wear thin on me.

I truly do not believe that our riders were complacent. I do know some of them personally, have ridden with them, watched them train and compete and complacency is not in their vocabulary.

[RyTimMick]

@ponygirl;6496135

And Minor Frolic bested Mr. Mendicott’s score in all 3 phases so can we really stop with breed volleys? Maybe I’m just grumpy today but it’s starting to wear thin on me.

I truly do not believe that our riders were complacent. I do know some of them personally, have ridden with them, watched them train and compete and complacency is not in their vocabulary.

“Miners Frolic” can’t beat Mr. Mendicott in all three phases, because they both went clean and under time for stadium. Also, only 2 of the top 20 were TB’s. I think the #'s speak for themselves. Saying that full TB’s is the best is ignorant of the facts.

Tim

[Renascence]

Yeah my bad, for instance the 2012 lndividual Gold Medalist is only 3/4 tb and is a Baden Wurttemberger. Excuse my ignorance and good luck with your youngsters.

[RyTimMick]

@Renascence;6497070

Yeah my bad, for instance the 2012 lndividual Gold Medalist is only 3/4 tb and is a Baden Wurttemberger. Excuse my ignorance and good luck with your youngsters.

You clearly are not understanding that the Gold Medalist was not a TB. It was a WB, specifically a Wurttemberger. The percentage means nothing, because it isn’t a TB. The TB breeding world did not produce this horse. The WB breeding world did. All that I am saying is, the WB method is better then the TB method in the production of Sport Horses, because they actually breed for them.

Tim

[Renascence]

Irregardless of the registry, it is exciting that an F2 thoroughbred won gold, and it is exciting that the rider trained and developed it himself for the gold. That is a good roadmap to successful eventing performance.