I will agree with you that it was a very nice horse that was brought up by the rider. It is also apparent that TB’s and Anglo Arabs on top of a WB motherline is a proven method for production of top level event horses. The ISP breeding world has been doing it for a long time. The only difference is they use a Draft horse instead of a WB motherline. Regardless of the reason for breeding to a TB sire, the outcome is clear.
Tim
I never said “full TB’s is the best”. I do not voice my personal opinions on such things. I just posted that a full TB had a better overall score (better in dressage) than a non-TB as the breed volleying that happens on just about ever thread nowadays is wearisome.
It seems for the most part you need a very thoroughbred type horse that has been tweaked genetically to do dressage.
As for pulling rails in showjumping I always wondered if that was not also a product of --not only fatigue-- but the training or emphaisis or desire for an efficient x country jumping style (flatter) which did not necessarily translate into a good staduim round?
It just seems as a group (whatever the breed) --generally–event horse do not use their backs in the staduim jumping and have no bascule to speak of -causing rails to roll.(Or conversely because they are not using their backs you need a horse that jumps significantly higher to not pull a rail at that flatter trajectory.)
On a more positive note,
My daughter had a wonderful OTTB and together they galloped around 5 CCI**** courses including one long format. They were awesome together.
In walks Twin Gates Farm. TG had posted on COTH that she had some wonderful horses who needed a rider. I had a rider who needed a horse. A few phone calls and a trip to meet in person and low and behold Twin Gates horses started arriving at our farm! We each took a chance and so far everyone is happy.
DD got a $5k inheritance from her grandfather and together with help from this person and that person, and many other persons, and selling everything that isn’t nailed down, DD relocated herself and a TG horse to Germany. Smack in the middle of German culture, both human and horse.
It is hard, very hard to drop your life and go, but it is a life experience to beat all. The days are extremely long, the horses and the people work extremely hard. There have been ups and downs as there always are with horses, but they are on target to reach their goal.
The cost of competing in EU is way less than it is here and the training is the best in the world. There is no substitute for being able to school at places like Luhmuhlen and Sarhendorf multiple times per week. They load up 8 horses and go ride. DD gets on 8 to 10 horses per day, everyday. There is lots of dressage work and lots of show jumping, and galloping, and cross country, and trail riding. Every horse is ridden twice per day. She has very few days off, but her plan was to train and train some more. That fits right in with the German system.
TG gave us the boost that we needed in providing the right horse and DD is giving a huge return on investment.
I hope more breeders give this a try. It may not work for everyone, but it has certainly worked for us.
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I will agree with you that it was a very nice horse that was brought up by the rider. It is also apparent that TB’s and Anglo Arabs on top of a WB motherline is a proven method for production of top level event horses. The ISP breeding world has been doing it for a long time. The only difference is they use a Draft horse instead of a WB motherline. Regardless of the reason for breeding to a TB sire, the outcome is clear.
Tim[/QUOTE]
What ISP? AOL? Irish? Irish DRAUGHTS aren’t really draft horses, more like all around farm horses. Fox hunting has traditionally been a large part(maybe most important 
) of their skill set.
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The cost of competing in EU is way less than it is here and the training is the best in the world. There is no substitute for being able to school at places like Luhmuhlen and Sarhendorf multiple times per week. They load up 8 horses and go ride. DD gets on 8 to 10 horses per day, everyday. There is lots of dressage work and lots of show jumping, and galloping, and cross country, and trail riding. Every horse is ridden twice per day. She has very few days off, but her plan was to train and train some more. That fits right in with the German system.
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Just… WOW.
I’ve often thought of her and wondered how it was going, so glad to hear this update!
She is competing her horse in the two star at Bad Harzburg this week. Last week was a competition for young horses where she rode 3 of the babies.
Two to the ring at a time in the dressage! DD says not so much fun when the 5 yr old stallion, (huge), you are riding is paired up to go with a pony mare! I bet that was a sight to see.
I wish your daughter and Twin Gates all the best! Your daughter sounds like a talented girl who work hard and give it her all. TG gave her what she did not have and she gave them back value in kind. :yes:
Sorry, Typo. ISH is what I meant. I stated draft because they are a pure breed and not a WB. I can certainly understand that they aren’t as heavy as say a Belgium Draft.
Tim
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Sorry, Typo. ISH is what I meant. I stated draft because they are a pure breed and not a WB. I can certainly understand that they aren’t as heavy as say a Belgium Draft.
Tim[/QUOTE]
one of my favorites
http://www.adsagsona.com/oisin.htm
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She is competing her horse in the two star at Bad Harzburg this week. Last week was a competition for young horses where she rode 3 of the babies.
Two to the ring at a time in the dressage! DD says not so much fun when the 5 yr old stallion, (huge), you are riding is paired up to go with a pony mare! I bet that was a sight to see.[/QUOTE]
Friend of mines´daughter doing the same as yours!
To do the dressagetest at the same time as another rider is absolutely “crazy”, also if you have a horse with troubles meeting another horse on course head to head as she has… good luck in Bad Harzburg, think Helle will be there too - maybe they´ll meet in the dressagetest!!
Bottom line of this endless long threat - there is no simple answer. You need TB to succeed, but it doesn’t have to be a full TB. And there is the odd one out with almost no TB still doing well. Facts.
The person that posted what comes closest to the truth I think is Brenda (tuppysmom) - it is about the training of horse and rider, the versaility and the ability to compete at the top level in all three disciplines. Which happens to be what the best riders of today pull off all the time. It is no big secret that e.g. both Michi and Ingrid can win a Grand Prix Special one day and a S** show jumping round the next. The high consistency of horse but especially riders at those high levels make them ideally suited for eventing, and proof is in the pudding, no?
The best OTTB/part TB/Holsteiner/AA/Franch/Trakehner is NOT going to run at the top if it is not RIDDEN to do so.
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I wish your daughter and Twin Gates all the best! Your daughter sounds like a talented girl who work hard and give it her all. TG gave her what she did not have and she gave them back value in kind. :yes:[/QUOTE]
Thanks Mary Lou. This has certainly been a wonderful partnership. Better than tuppysmom or I ever imagined when we started trading messages online several years ago. It seems some of my best equine relationships have formed online (Maren ;).
The story of us meeting online has certainly made the rounds, and Sara was asked about it during an interview @ Galway last fall: http://youtu.be/p76kIF4pUlY
As tuppysmom said, it may not work for everyone, but it certainly has for us. Given the theme of this thread, I hope other breeders/riders will look for creative ways to get talented horses/riders together.
Jane Sleeper’s breeding damn fine eventing horses
I noticed she has done embryo transfers from her multiple Rolex mare UN (Cavelier Royale?) to Kannan, #6 (?) world eventing sires and sire of London Gold show jumper Nino…
Denny Emerson breeds fine eventing horses too.
Since I dabble in breeding, myself, I must admit that it’s easier to sell a well bred horse to a show jumper than an eventer. (and I am an eventer!) An Olympian looked at a darco x voltaire mare for me and said, “for the money, you could do better.” A grandprix vetran looked at the exact same mare and said, “you could get a hundred grand for this mare stateside, easy.” Both opinions were from americans with no skin in the game (no commission). So if I’m breeding for sale, I’m gonna lean toward showjumpers’ fancies just so I can pay my hay bill.
I have my views on what went wrong in London but it’s too snarky to post -since I have no proof, just hunches…
Wega had some Irish blood in her as well.
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Wega is “only” 54.5% blood and got a silver medal.
http://www.horsetelex.nl/horses/pedigree/1505866
She impressed me as being one of the best jumpers cross country and did not look to be labouring despite her size /build. Maybe the WBs just need a different conditioning programs and the Europeans are starting to figure it out??[/QUOTE]
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