Do horse stalls increase property value?

I have no doubt in my mind that the barn reno we’re doing does increase property value. But having sold a grand total of zero homes, does anyone know if this is true? We’re not selling, so this is largely an academic question.

Well, ok, it’s actually a response to this conversation today with hubby while building stalls:
DH: So, how much did these stall kits cost?

me: Oh, about $2000 by the time we got all the lumber. But trust me, a barn with 4 horse stalls totally adds to property value. (I don’t know that this is actually true, BTW)

DH: <quiet for a moment> Hmm, maybe. Well, I guess it’s better than if you had spent the money on drugs."

Why yes, dear, at least there’s that. Had I known his bar was set so low (for evaluating the merits of a given expense) I would have done this YEARS ago. :lol:

Between the structural work, painting, and stalls, I’d say we’ve got about $13k in this thing. If you haven’t seen my 21,565 other posts on this, it’s a 110yr old wood barn, about 25x60’ now with four horse stalls). So you’d never be able to build something like that for less than what we’ve spent. That’s kinda been my equation to decide whether we should do it or not.
Is that the way a buyer will think, though? Or do they see horse property and just consider 4 stalls as a given, like you’d assume the house has a kitchen.

I asked that same question to an appraiser before we built our barn, didn’t want to overbuild.

He said, with what I had in mind building, he thought right away I may only get 95% of the cost back, so a loss on the ROI, but that with the cost of everything going up, in a few years it would appreciate considerably more than it cost to build, way past that, so as to be considered an investment to build it, adding eventually to the value of the land over what will go into it.

Plus we get to use it all this time.

That means, if you are building and selling right away, you may lose on the deal.
If you are looking at selling years down the line, if maintained properly, it should be a valuable asset when selling.
That at least holds for our new metal barn, don’t know if an old wooden one would appreciate, but if done right, why not?

I suppose it depends if the buyer is a horse person?

I would agree it depends on if buyer is a horse person, if the stalls have ANY value added onto the property. Around here, they would probably not have any value. Barns are for storing stuff in, stalls limit that use. Most buyers we see, take the stalls out and sell them on Craigslist. Fairly easy to find used stalls, used stall kits, for sale there. I got a HUGE pile of stall mats from a person removing all the “horsey stuff” in a very nice Morton barn. He had just purchased the place, had no horses. Priced them cheap to take all of them. One of my BEST bargin buys this year! He had stall kit fronts with doors and divider walls to sell, all very nice, but I didn’t need them.

So I hate to say it, but I would take the stalls with me or sell the stalls myself, if you sold the place. If new buyer wants the stalls, sell them for a price, apart from the property price. Do spell out that stalls are NOT part of the property when buyer purchases it. Or better is to get stalls gone before listing the place with the Realtor. Never seen in the photos so no arguing about them.

Again, stalls are very cool to horse people, but of almost no interest to non-horse folks, very low value to them. Not like upgrading the kitchen, where nice cabinets are valued, useful to anyone.

to us they improve the property, to the rest of the world no.

So the stalls themselves won’t pay for themselves when/if you resell, but the overall barn reno will, I am sure.

However…what good is the property if you don’t enjoy it?!
Not everything in renovation has to recoop in the off chance (hopefully) you are selling the place.

[QUOTE=goodhors;7272648]
I would agree it depends on if buyer is a horse person, if the stalls have ANY value added onto the property. Around here, they would probably not have any value. Barns are for storing stuff in, stalls limit that use. Most buyers we see, take the stalls out and sell them on Craigslist. Fairly easy to find used stalls, used stall kits, for sale there. I got a HUGE pile of stall mats from a person removing all the “horsey stuff” in a very nice Morton barn. He had just purchased the place, had no horses. Priced them cheap to take all of them. One of my BEST bargin buys this year! He had stall kit fronts with doors and divider walls to sell, all very nice, but I didn’t need them.

So I hate to say it, but I would take the stalls with me or sell the stalls myself, if you sold the place. If new buyer wants the stalls, sell them for a price, apart from the property price. Do spell out that stalls are NOT part of the property when buyer purchases it. Or better is to get stalls gone before listing the place with the Realtor. Never seen in the photos so no arguing about them.

Again, stalls are very cool to horse people, but of almost no interest to non-horse folks, very low value to them. Not like upgrading the kitchen, where nice cabinets are valued, useful to anyone.[/QUOTE]

That is why I always say, build an all purpose building.
Don’t frame the stalls in there, but use portable stalls, or at least build some you can take off without bringing the barn down, so you can market it once it is time to sell to the general public, not just horse people.

:yes: I was taught to never use your personal home as an investment. If you’re constantly looking to make money on it when you finally sell, you’ll never be happy.

I’ve been told by multiple individuals that horse-related upgrades do nothing for the value. I’ve probably put easily $30-40k into mine in the last year which I have no intention of getting back in an appraised value.
That being said, I think it will make it far more in demand. Small horse properties around here were selling like hotcakes when I was looking.

In my area - no. People are usually not wanting to spend more $$ on fancy horse barns etc., those properties are the slowest to sell, if they sell at all. One friend ended up taking the barn down and moving it to their new place, it was the only way they got the old place sold. That said, I feel it’s really depends on the area of the country you are in and what people are used to paying and expecting when buying a horse property. Don’t put the stall kits in with the expectation that they will add value put them in because its something you want.

at least were we are: No.

When we had the property appraised a few years ago our barn because it is clear span and all of the stalls are free standing the build appraised at twice the value of a barn being appraised as a garage $50K verses $25K

So for loan value it is a garage, for real estate property tax it is a barn

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So I hate to say it, but I would take the stalls with me or sell the stalls myself, if you sold the place. If new buyer wants the stalls, sell them for a price, apart from the property price. Do spell out that stalls are NOT part of the property when buyer purchases it. Or better is to get stalls gone before listing the place with the Realtor. Never seen in the photos so no arguing about them.

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Our stalls are Free Standing and not attacked to the structure therefore are considered furniture and are not part of the property.

Our intent was because of the cost of building a stall we want to take them with us if we were to move.

I don’t think it improves the value of a property, but it makes the property more attractive to a horse person.

[QUOTE=morganpony86;7273023]
:yes: I was taught to never use your personal home as an investment. If you’re constantly looking to make money on it when you finally sell, you’ll never be happy.

I’ve been told by multiple individuals that horse-related upgrades do nothing for the value. I’ve probably put easily $30-40k into mine in the last year which I have no intention of getting back in an appraised value.
That being said, I think it will make it far more in demand. Small horse properties around here were selling like hotcakes when I was looking.[/QUOTE]

Yup, and I’m worth it. I hope they take me out of here in a box

Yes And No…

It really depends on the buyer and the quality/look/build of the barn as well as the market. Some people buy farm properties and tear everything down to build their own stuff, some people just want the land and have no use for anything already on it and will let it rot until they can sell it or develop it when it’s worth more, some people want it as is, and some want the property for a country-experience but have no use for anything horse-related. My neighbors made their home unsellable by renovating the whole damn thing into a McMansion-type luxury home so that the appraised value - due to the work they had done - was way above anything else in the area by a few hundred K and then they thought they could actually sell it in a dead market with a recession and turn a profit. AFAIK, they are just renting out the place and were not able to sell it.

The best thing is to ask a local appraiser or real estate agent.

Here, yes, it would add value. It’s a relative “yes” though. Any structures on the property will add value. Structures are assessed by their condition in general terms. So if your house is a dump and needs a lot of work, the assessor will rate it low and the assessed value will be reflected accordingly. If the barn is a hazard and a teardown, it could negatively impact your property value. On the other hand, if your house is in excellent condition and then you add $70,000 curtains to replace the serviceable window coverings which were there before, and I use this example because I know someone who did this, then no, it won’t add to the appraisal which hasn’t changed. The house was in excellent condition before the curtains and is still in excellent condition.

Similarly, if your barn were an empty shell before and you upgraded it so that it would be excellent and useable, then it would add a little to the value of your whole property. How much? I have no clue. I would guess that things like bathrooms, which will show up on the tax rolls, will add more.

The issue that jumps out at me is that of ratio of the value of structures to land. If your ratio is near the borderline of qualifying for many loan products, then any structural additions or improvements which can put you over the top into a favorable ratio will increase your pool of prospective buyers (because there will be so many more loan products available) and could seriously increase your property value. (However, some loan products will be based on just the house and two of your acres and will give a zero value to the rest of your land rather than outright refuse to finance the property.)

The value of land/value of lot ratio and its importance depends on many factors, including your area, the types of financing available in your state, how much land you have (a real farm or a small gentleman’s farm), the market in your area, and the zoning.

For what it’s worth, here is a link which explains how property is assessed for tax purposes by the state of Iowa. I don’t know if a market appraisal would be done the same way:
http://www.iowa.gov/tax/educate/78573.html

How does an assessor value property?

Residential, commercial and industrial real estate is assessed at 100% of market value.

The assessor must determine the fair market value of the property. To do this, the assessor generally uses three approaches.

Market Approach: Find properties sold recently that are comparable to yours. Analyze sales of similar properties that were recently sold. Determine the most probable sales price of the property being appraised.
Cost Approach: Estimate how much money at current labor and material prices it would take to replace the property with one similar to it. This is useful when no sales of comparable properties exist.
Income Approach: If the property produces income, such as with an apartment or office building, estimate its ability to produce income.

[B]
Agricultural real estate is assessed at 100% of productivity and net earning capacity value.

The assessor considers the productivity and net earning capacity of the property. Agricultural income as reflected by production, prices, expenses, and various local conditions is taken into account.
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I highlighted the Ag part assuming your farm is agricultural, but you can see the difference if it is residential. If it is agricultural, and reading the statement above, I’m wondering if your earning capacity would be increased by adding stalls? Maybe the square footage is the only issue taken into account as to how many horses could be in the barn?

If your property is residential, then part of the appraisal is based on replacement cost. In that case, you would definitely be adding to the value with your stalls and improvements.

Who knew this could be so complex?

Interesting link on lot-to-land ratios and investment:
http://www.realestateconsulting.com/blog/don-walker/lot-price-can-get-investors-trouble

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if your house is in excellent condition and then you add $70,000 curtains to replace the serviceable window coverings which were there before, and I use this example because I know someone who did this, [/QUOTE]

rita crundwell ??

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I don’t think it improves the value of a property, but it makes the property more attractive to a horse person.[/QUOTE]

That would be my anecdotal experience. Horse people will be more attracted to the property but they won’t pay more.

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rita crundwell ??[/QUOTE]

:lol: No, it was a wealthy friend and neighbor of one of my inlaws. The couple were shocked and bothered when the appraiser wouldn’t give them a bump for their very expensive, custom-made, taste-specific (read ugly-ass) drapes.

Some of it depends on whether you are in a equestrian area. Being at the beach, where keeping horses is completely impractical, my way overbuilt 4 stall barn is of no value to anyone but me. We recently had our property appraised to refinance and the barn added virtually nothing (not that we expected it to.)

I would assume that if you live in an area where there are a lot of horses being kept, there would be a better chance of getting some money out of your barn as it is more likely a horse person would be shopping.

On the other side, the appraisers here won’t give much value, but for selling to horse people it does. I know someone who bought a small farm, and before they could even put their other small (5 acre) farm on the market, they were offered full asking price for it much more than realtors said they could sell it for (and wish they had asked for more). So it really does depend on the area - here small horse farms are rare and go fast.

My husband and I bought our small acreage farmette 15 years ago. It has been appraised recently for insurance purposes at over twice what we paid for it. I am sure we could get more than that as we live in a desireable area with a lot of preserved farmland and land is dwindling .We improved the property by adding a 200’ x 80’ outdoor arena and re-did the barn. We gutted it and built 5 nice size stalls and put up new fencing. We built the stalls and did the fencing ourselves and my brother-in-law redid the electric with all new wiring from the meter box in. Everything is encased in metal so no wiring is exposed.Our house has been rerooofed as well as our barn.
So to me, improving a property to a turnkey horse property is a worthwhile investment. We are 15-20 minutes away from the heart of Unionville horse country in Chester County. A great investment although we have no plans to move. We could not replace what we have for what we could sell for in this area.