In reply to Baroque pony:
It’s easier to be a railbird than to actually walk the talk.
Anyone can take videos then use selective editing and slo-mo to make a point. It’s called advertising or marketing to promote whatever you are selling or whatever view you might wish to promote.
It’s not LDR In Three Easy Steps. If you want that, switch to cooking shows and hang up the bridle. It is a system. Not one you learn overnight, not one you learn on videos. If you want to learn about it, I suggest you spend time with a trainer who works with that system; bring an open mind and just maybe you will learn.
And can we please stop all the accusations about bullying. People express their ideas with passion and sometimes it gets (inappropriately) personal, but no one is going to reach through the screen and take your lunch money. If it bothers you, use the ignore option
:lol:
Yes the bullying accusation seems to be the refuge of those who can’t bear to have anyone ever disagree with them.
The camerman is the camerman and the rider is the rider.
Thanks for the clarification of the already obvious, BP.
Anyone who rides will experience bad moments, often many in a ride. The more you ride, the more this may happen. When people go to a show with a video camera and an agenda to make people look bad, they can do it easily. So what? Only a fool would believe that is a compete representation of anything.
IRL, I have seen more horses crippled by supposedly “classical” riding than any other method. But I know that this is the result, not of classical riding, but of just plain bad riding. The same could said about any training method; bad riding can be injurious to horses.
The anti-rolkur people make the leap that rolkur is bad riding, ipso facto. My experience (and many other people’s) is different.
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Don Rafe,
May I join you and Caddy. Purely platonic and we can even go Dutch on the cheque!
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Yes you can join us - and I’ll buythe wine:)
Well count me in too. I’ll bring the Bols Genever.
And I’ll bring the castinets.
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I would love to see a video of rollkur being used in a manner that looked like it was just another excercise in a balanced training program for the specific horse. [/QUOTE]
I wish I had a video of my guy at that clinic. He looked fabulous once we got the kinks worked out, and it would have been nice to have a sales video from it. I’d love to go out and recreate it, but I’m lucky enough to have wonderful ponies now that really wouldn’t illustrate the benefits of the method. Even the cheeky ones just need a boot and a “pack it in” and they’re back to being good. :lol:
YES! I know that the top riders can ride better than I can, but I do not think that they are applying the exercise properly. At all. Just because you have talent doesn’t mean you make good decisions.
Coppers mom - thanks for sharing your perspective.
i have some thoughts… i am not sure what the situation was with your guy… but in my mind i always wonder - if the horse is resisting or being as ass - the question is why?
if a horse is “forced” to release all tension - what happens if that tension was there for a reason? ie: to protect something sore or weak?
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And I’ll bring the castinets.[/QUOTE]
Goody, we can eat drink and be merry and duct tape our chins to our chests and do the hookie-pookie to the beat of casinets:)
Hello old friend. Even with a belly full of wine, you are a breath of fresh air. Please, do continue.
Goody, we can eat drink and be merry and duct tape our chins to our chests and do the hookie-pookie to the beat of casinets
Dancing, oh goodie! I’ll be wearing my borium high heels and a rose in my teeth.
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Coppers mom - thanks for sharing your perspective.
i have some thoughts… i am not sure what the situation was with your guy… but in my mind i always wonder - if the horse is resisting or being as ass - the question is why?
if a horse is “forced” to release all tension - what happens if that tension was there for a reason? ie: to protect something sore or weak?[/QUOTE]
Go back and read my previous posts, his issues have been covered 
gotcha gotcha gotcha that’s all you guys want :yes:
I am now so happy!To have a great party sounds wonderful!But,please no duck tape.I am not as wild as I used to be!But the wine sounds fantastic.I sometimes like beer too.I dont always drink beer,but when I do,I prefer Dos Equis!
A Dos Equis for me and one for my horse!
“DRR” - I do remember the “one for my horse.” But you gotta get with the program, darlin - Dos Equis has been replaced by Great White.
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DA.You are again dead wrong regarding Baucher.In Kerbrecht it clearly states that these flexions are done at a standstill,then put in motion for longer periods.Will you agree to a friendly wager,shall we say 1000 euro?Then I will post these pages and let the gallery decide which of us has understood them.Again.I own these books!You do not have your FACTS straight.By the way.You continue to insist,in spite of what I have already explained,that LDR riders dont practice release and or lightening of the aids.This is preposturous!If that were true and frequently is with horses ridden at the vertical it would be bad riding!In LDR if it were true it would be bad riding!The great and prominant LDR riders of today are riding very light horses. I have been trying to help you.Perhaps more than to share with the others.If you continue your obtuse,confrontational diatribe full with half truths and outright fasle information that has the very real possibility to be trouble to many good persons ability to make a living,I must concede that you are beyond my ability to help you.I am 67 years old and have been trained to ride artistic dressage horses since the age of ten.I will not debate further.As I said I have hoped to help.
Don Raphaelo Rollkurista[/QUOTE]
“again dead wrong”
“This is preposturous!”
“your obtuse,confrontational diatribe full with half truths and outright fasle information”
And this is what you call a “rational discussion” from the pro-rollkur supporters? And that is NOT considered an “emotional” post? And that is NOT considered a “quite vicious attack”? And that is not considered a source of "nastiness? Huh? Or double standard is just too strong for some to see?
Oh God, quit whining. :rolleyes:
DA, I know you’re going to think I’m a big meany poo poo head for saying this, but MOST of your posts have nothing to do with RK. All you ever do is complain about being picked on.
I think you really just want to play the victim.
I know other training methods that came out of Baucher: such as Philippe Karl who is a classical master who uses the Baucher flexions in his training methods. He clearly illustrated them in his books and videos. As well as Monty Roberts who calls his Baucher flexions as carrot flexions as well. As well as the Manual of Instruction for the German Cavalry from 1912 to 1926 that includes a series of Baucher exercisers to flex the neck.
All of those different training methods came out of the Baucher discovery that it is beneficial to flex the horse’s neck. That is the reason why you can’t claim with out any proof that Rollkur = Baucher. And just try to bully me with your age 
No, rollkur moved far, far away from him Baucher teachings and it’s a whole another can of warms now. It’s definitely different than Baucher.
Someone else please ask her to leave me alone.
Don Raphaelo Rollkurista
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