This is a link to some photos of two of Gray Fox Farms, Jill Burnell’s stallions; Romantic Star and Redwine. According to the person who took these photos they were taken a couple of months ago in July 2012. The photos were recently posted on HorseGroomingSupply BB.
To be clear; I did not take these photos. I do not know the poster Lissette10.
In addition, Lissette10 did give permission for someone to post the links here.
Redwine looks IR.
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Redwine looks IR.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree.
Aside from needing a trim and a mane pull they couldn’t look much better. I hope that puts that part of the discussion to rest so we can concentrate on the deceptive business practices instead.
Redwine’s feet, in the closeup shots, have rings in two places, indicating, to me at least, past illnesses or stress or major change of diet.
Those pictures are from the now foreclosed on ranch. I wonder where the stallions are living now?
You would expect a stallion with a $1,700 stud fee to have his feet trimmed at least…
Oh well, they look healthy on a basic level, like the back yard horses down the street, out of work, and out of condition.
I think Redwine would qualify as obese.
[URL=“http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/members/lissette10-albums-redwine++romantic+star+7-22-2012-picture126062-img-1205.html”]The crest in this photo is alarming.
Not maintained in top notch condition like you would expect of a big name stallion.
I thought Redwine looked a little stout too! But maybe the camera is just adding some pounds. 
What does “IR” stand for?
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I thought Redwine looked a little stout too! But maybe the camera is just adding some pounds.
What does “IR” stand for?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know either (what “IR” stands for) but having seen Redwine at Thermal - he was stout then - to me - a type of Rotspon - heavy on top, short legs - big bodied. Not saying not a great cross for a particular mare -just reporting in
IR = Insulin Resistant.
Yes, stallions have big necks/crests…I know, I have stallions.
But his crest is fatty, looks hard and he has the telltale muffin butt.
My stallion, Boleem developed IR when he was about 24 yrs. old. Dreadful. RW’s neck looks much worse than his did. And Bo didn’t get much of the fat pads elsewhere.
Kinda good he has no access to grass. She’s got a lot of hoof on him as well. Not sure that’s related or paying for a farrier.
BTW, I think the other stallion looks a little “light”. Typically they are heavily muscled and I can see his hip angle a bit too easily. Too dark to see if there are ribs. He’s not bad though, but he should have a nice full rump.
Dianehalpin…I didn’t really study his feet, just that he was long.
Rings+IR almost always equal laminitis. 
3Dogs…Boleem was also “stout”, but not a real heavy type.
Often it is the stout, easy keepers that develop this later in life.
Google his earlier photos and compare the crest. His is now a massive chunk of grotesque fat where he did not have it before – which is a big, big sign of IR. If he is not foundering, yet it’s only a matter of time before he does unless she is managing it. I did. The rings may have been mild cases gone unnoticed. Who knows?
Years ago Edgar, who posts here, I discussed the issue of IR and stallions when I was so distraught about Bo. Pilot, Secretariat and other notables he mentioned were afflicted later in life…and cost them their lives. No proof, but Edgar seemed to think they are more prone.
They do not look nearly as good as they did when I visited last spring. :no: I agree that Redwine is IR looking. Very sad.
EEK, and from the other photos posted earlier , it looks like they are fed sweetfeed. sigh.
Thanks Sid
as a MD I interpret this to mean they have become Type 2 diabetics. WOW - that is a sorry state of affairs
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Thanks Sid
as a MD I interpret this to mean they have become Type 2 diabetics. WOW - that is a sorry state of affairs[/QUOTE]
Yes, and where do most diabetics first begin to have problems? With circulation in the feet, horses are no different.
You guys were speculating that the horses weren’t being fed and now you are complaining that they are too fat?
Redwine IS too fat and it appears a lot like founder in his feet. What is interesting to me is that my Redwine filly looks to be trying to head in a similar direction. She’s only getting a handful of grain now with supplements but is prettily round. I can really see some similarities, though, especially in the tiny throatlatch, in spite of the weight problem.
Mine too.
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You guys were speculating that the horses weren’t being fed and now you are complaining that they are too fat?[/QUOTE]
Laurie…People have talked about the MARES that apparently hoarded and foals in poor shape…but the stallions and their shape not really a topic till now!
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