Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[Daventry]

[QUOTE=TWF;6754054]
Sorry Folks…a correction was posted on FB
Evidently Grand Affair had a year’s rest. Was bred for one last time under the direction of a repro vet. As some astute COTHers here noted… ET was the only future option for Grand Affair.
I might add the article in the Chronicle about Grand Affair should shed some light on her career for those who are not sure about her ownership. The Posh Trophy of Upperville is retained by former owners of Grand Affair - Symmetry Ranch

Sorry for the snarks out there… the plot is not so very thick. The link to another thread posted by the “buyer” reads she’s the ONLY one who says the mare was SOLD.[/QUOTE]

Sigh, I am so sorry. What an absolute mess. Maybe besides a Marin Humane Society Jill Burnell/Gray Fox Farm Seizure Fund, we also need to start a defense fund for all of the innocent victims involved in this mess to help cover their lawyer bills, as this could have honestly happened to anyone!

Even more reason to go back and read my post regarding what happens if you sell a horse to someone with pre-sale conditions! http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?365037-Doing-business-with-JILL-BURNELL-BEWARE&p=6753768#post6753768

And I will say it once again, anyone who is currently fighting Jill Burnell/Gray Fox Farm and needs an equine appraisal or equine expert witness, I am waiving my fees for this matter! www.EquineAppraisers.com

[Laurierace]

That is a very kind offer Daventry! I know there is at least one other COTHer who is making an incredibly generous offer to others who were wronged by Jill Burnell. If you share your plight there is a very good chance you will be contacted.

[rosebudranch]

I’ve emailed Michelle, as I have a breeding contract with Jill, my mare lost her foal last year… This whole ordeal is very saddening… I personally would hate to just lose my money(being a young pup in college just trying to start life) and would still love a breeding, but I’m also with a Mare or the funds for breeding in 2013 so I was going to wait - as Jill has quite the lengthy return breeding privileges… But at this point I am more concerned about the health and good homes for these poor horses.

[rodawn]

Daventry, do you know of a good equine lawyer in the southern Alberta area?
Your post was super informative, really appreciate it.

[Daventry]

I’ve had a ton of people asking if they can copy what I posted today on the ins and outs of purchasing horses on a playment plan, so went ahead and turned it into an article online. www.equineappraisers.com/sellingonpayments.html

Rodawn, I sent a PM regarding lawyers in Alberta.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=Daventry;6753621]
Well, seeing as the mare has a 2012 foal at side and is for sale for $18,000 (as stated in Gray Fox Farms Christmas newsletter), one can only assume a buyer would only be spending that kind of money on a working broodmare, not a retired one! :no:[/QUOTE]

Again don’t forget this is the SAME person who bought the foal at her side in 2010(?) when those pictures were taken showing her in horrific shape and then published then on facebook gloating about the foal purchase.

Even if you negate the horses condition just a glance around the paddock their standing in and most people would have run like hell certainly not defended the women and continued to buy foals and support that ill care.

[COTHalter44]

@peskee;6753627

If Grand Affair had a BROAD LIGAMENT RUPTURE at age 12 why was she sold/leased to anyone as a broodmare at age 14/15? She did get loaded on a van by someone in Pa. and sent to Calif. for that purpose.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

[QUOTE=TWF;6754054] ET was the only future option for Grand Affair.

Something is fishy here and it’s not just JB (although she’s the smelliest fish). What I don’t understand is why TWF and Hunter’s Peak allowed a mare they obviously cared about to be bred to carry a foal in the first place if ET were the only option for her? Someone had to be involved in the breeding process because she certainly wasn’t in CA when it happened based on FB/forum posts. Then allowed her to be shipped clear across the country if she wasn’t paid for/leased/stolen/whatever? If the mare really needed retirement that badly, then why sell/lease/whatever in the first place? I’m not defending JB but this whole thing definitely doesn’t add up.

The comments on the new owner’s FB post state the mare is not in foal for 2013 but will be bred in the spring and she is looking for stallion suggestions. Interesting given the mare was being sold with 2 breedings to Redwine.

[COTHalter44]

@Lynnwood;6754977

Again don’t forget this is the SAME person who bought the foal at her side in 2010(?) when those pictures were taken showing her in horrific shape and then published then on facebook gloating about the foal purchase.

Seems she either doesn’t care or ignores the “care” JB gives because she also bought a 2011 foal from JB (Redwine/All of the Above). At least that mare is in a much better home now.

[mbm]

i am not sure it is such a good idea to criticize those folks willing to buy horses away from JB - havent y’all been concerned with the horses care and wanted the horses away from JB in the first place?

[TWF]

To set the record straight… the show mare “Grand Affair” was issued two sets of registration papers. The foal papers in 1995 and the "NEW Pre-Mare Book papers "issued after Rain Boots was born in 2010.

I am her breeder, the mare and the SO. My interest is this matter is the fraud populated from JB presenting this Grand Affair as undocumented mare , using her show name, representing her as an offspring of my stallion and listing me as a breeder…simply because JB could game the system when she couldn’t claim ownership or get ahold of her registration papers. JB bred additional foals registered FOUR offspring using her “new” papers while her owner (with the original foal papers) has been trying to get her mare back. Only one of these four foals had the correct documentation.

The fact that MY name and that of MY broodmare and MY stallion were used to defraud the owner, the registry and the people who have the resulting foals doesn’t sit well with me. It’s a matter of principle.

Believe what you want about what transpired…the mare had foal papers and was registered twice : Only one can be legit. Which one? Guess?

Thanks to those who understand this bedrock issue. I just want Grand Affair off baby machine treadmill before it kills her AND for her to retire to the home of her rightful owner… who as a young rider had the VISION to buy my stallion’s “test” baby in the first few months of her life. Thanks Jill you did it right.

[mbm]

it really is mindboggling the things JB allegedly has done… amazing!

[Daventry]

Current donations

Several people have now stepped forward to try and help.

First, anyone who is interested in donating to the Marin Humane Society, donations can be made directly online to the Marin Humane Society at https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI3NLKgKYF/b.8490959/k.5C3E/West_Marin_Horse_Case/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=aiIOI3NLKgKYF&b=8490959&en=lwIRL7MWKmIVL9NXIdJRIeOZIqIbIpN2JmI4JiM0KnI3LmM8LAJ

Avalon Equine is offering their stallion Edward Scissorhands d’Avalon for free for anyone who is holding a valid Breeding Contract related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Mare Owners would be responsible for collection and shipping charges, and you can be guaranteed you will be receiving the best processed semen possible. Edward is a 16.1 HH homozygous black Oldenburg stallion who recently attended the 70-Day Stallion Test and is Fully Approved RPSI. He can be seen on their website at http://www.avalon-equine.com/edward-scissorhands-davalon.html

Barrington Hill is offering free breedings to Escapade to those holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use, as well as inutero and horse sales that were not fullfilled. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping. Escapade is a 16.1 1.2 HH black Hanoverian stallion Approved American Warmblood Society, RPSI & ISR/Oldenburg. He can be seen on their website at www.barringtonhill.com

Daventry Equestrian is going to waive the stud fee on their new Pony Hunter Stallion Daventry’s Power Play, who is a buckskin sabino (turning heterozygous grey) 12.3 HH Section B stallion recently Approved RPSI for those Mare Owners holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use, and are interested in “breeding down” ;). He can be seen on their website at www.daventryequestrian.com For A circuit Champion mares, or mares with outstanding inspection or Hunter Breeding show results, they are also willing to waive the collection fee. Those Mare Owners would just be responsible for shipping charges.

Daventry Equine Appraisal Services would like all Mare Owners & Horse Owners currently in an alleged dispute related to this matter to know that, in an effort to help, they are waiving their fees for anyone needing Equine Appraisals or an Equine Expert Witness related to this matter. Feel free to contact them directly for more details. www.equineappraisers.com

Deerpath Breeding and Development will offer free breedings to Sailor’s Spirit for any holders of a valid and unfulfilled Breeding Contract related to this matter. Sailor’s Spirit is a 17.0 HH dark bay stallion Approved RPSI and CWHBA. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping. Sailor’s Spirit can be seen on their website at http://www.deerpathequine.com/stallions.php

Dreamscape Farm has also made a generous offer to Mare Owners. With any breeder that has a valid breeding contract related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use, they will honour it for Free - just the collections fees and they pay the shipping of course. They will offer this with Farscape DSF, Checkmate, Novalis and Bodyguard. Farscape DSF is a 16.2 HH black Westfalen stallion Approved Westfalen Verband, Oldenburg Verband, RPSI, KWPN-NA (Reg A), CWHBA, CSHA & Oldenburg NA/ISR. Checkmate is a 16.2 HH Imported Oldenburg stallion Approved German Oldenburg Verband, Westfalen Verband (Westfalen Mares) & RPSI. Novalis is a 16.1 HH Bay KWPN stallion by Olympic double gold medalist Jus De Pomme and is Approved Hanoverian Verband, AHS, Oldenburg Verband, KWPN-NA (Reg A), RPSI, CWHBA, CSHA & Westfalen Verband (Westfalen mares). Bodyguard is a 14.0 HH Imported black Weser-Ems pony stallion Approved German Weser-Ems, Oldenburg NA/ISR & RPSI. The stallions listed above can be seen on their website at www.dreamscapefarm.com Edited to also add Sagnol and Diamond Stud to the list. Sagnol is a 16.2 1/2 HH dark bay Oldenburg stallion Approved German Oldenburg Verband, Westfalen Verband, AHHA, ISR/Oldenburg, CSHA, CWHBA, RPSI, KWPN-NA (Reg A) and Southern German Associations. Diamond Stud is a 16.3 HH Oldenburg stallion Approved Oldenburg Verband, Oldenburg NA/ISR, RPSI, KWPN-NA Reg A and CWHBA (Pending).

Fair Wind Farm is offering free breedings to Ridley, a 15 HH black Hanoverian stallion Approved Weser-Ems and ISR Oldenburg, AWS, AWR and ASP to Mare Owners holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Collection & shipping fees apply. He can be seen on their website at http://www.fair-windsfarm.com/Ridley.html

Golden Venture Farm is offering free breedings to Saint Sandro, a 15.3 HH homozygous black Oldenburg stallion Approved ISR/Oldenburg to Mare Owners holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Collection & shipping fees apply. He can be seen on their website at www.goldenventurefarm.com

Hilltop Farm is willing to offer a limited number of free 2013 breedings to many of the stallions in our program for breeders with a valid, paid-in-full contract related to this matter that has been unfulfilled. Breeders will be responsible for all collection and shipping fees. Some stallions are available via cooled semen; others may only be available via frozen semen. Mares are subject to approval for each stallion. So far, Marydell Farm has committed breedings for both the Grand Prix stallion Don Principe and the newly licensed Doctor Wendell MF; Rock Solid Warmbloods has committed breedings for the 2012 USEF National Champion Hemmingway; Summit Sporthorses has offered breedings to the Westfalen pony stallion Popeye, the 2011 BLM Reserve Champion at Fourth Level; the Hilltop-owned stallions of Contucci, Riverman, Royal Prince, Bugatti, Qredit, and Parabol will also be available on a limited basis. There may be additional stallions available for GGF breeders through Hilltop. We’ll update this list as more is solidified. They can be seen on their website at www.hilltopfarminc.com

To those who ratified contracts related to this matter - Joni Watt is offers free breedings to Grande Sovereign by Grande Saber, who is Approved RPSI. This is the closest means to breed the Grand Affair bloodline. The terms - Mare owner is responsible for collection & shipping costs. ALL collections for Grande Sovereign are serviced through the New Bolton Center. Limited live cover may be offered. Please contact Hunter’s Peak for special consideration. www.hunterspeaksporthorses.com Edited to add Section A Welsh stallion Loafers Lodge Spring Ahead Approved ISR/Oldeburg, Section B welsh stallion Hunters Peak Spring Fling. As well as a test breeding to ISR pony stallion Grande Moonshadow.

Magic Rose Farm is offering free 2013 breedings to Beste Gold for those holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping and an affadavit of integrity (of sorts). I will also gladly offer discounts to anyone with proof of donation up to 50% of stud fee to either Beste Gold or our NASPR Sportpony stallion Hot Shot MRF (Welsh/Hanoverian pedigree). Beste Gold is licensed with the American Warmblood Registry and Hot Shot MRF is a Welsh/Hanoverian pony stallion Approved American Sport Pony. www.magicrosefarm.com

Marabet Farm is offering HUGE discounts, or in some cases free breedings to Balt’Amour, their 16.2 HH hunter stallion who is fully Lifetime approved by Belgian Warmblood Breeding Association, RPSI and ISR/Oldenburg NA. He completed the 2009 North American 70-Day Stallion Test with excellent scores. He can be seen on their website at www.marabetfarm.us/idstallion.html As well, they will offer half price breedings to Balt’Amour for ANYONE who is willing to donate the other half of the stud fee to the Marin County Humane Society. Contact me first, provide proof of donation and you will get your half price breeding.

Mountain Creek Sport Horses will offer 1/2 price breedings to Gatsby to those holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping. Gatsby is a 17.0 HH black homozygous stallion Approved Belgian Warmblood. Gatsby can be seen on their website at www.gatsbystallion.com

From Rebecca Pennington: I don’t know if there are any JB victims in Texas, but if there are and they have been hesitating about taking legal action because of the expense, contact me. I am an equine lawyer in Houston with over 25 years of litigation experience. I’ll assist you in drafting and getting cases filed with the appropriate court without charge for my time. I’ll also help you prepare for the trial of these cases (although I’m just about certain that most/all of them will result in default judgments against JB). I’m only licensed in Texas, now, so can’t help in other states. You can contact me directly at rpennington@equinelawyer.net

Prairie Pines Farm is offering free breedings to Lotus T & Logan T to those holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping. Lotus T is a Holsteiner stallion Approved with AHHA, Belgian Warmblood and RPSI. Logan T is Approved RPSI. They can be seen on their website at www.prairiepinesfarm.com/Stallions.asp

For anyone who is holding a valid Breeding Contract related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use, Rainbow Equus Meadows will offer a breeding to Baron Van Gogh or Pablito for FREE for those Mare Owners who may be interested. Mare Owners would be responsible for collection and shipping charges, Baron and Pablito can be seen on their website at www.rainbowequus.com Baron Van Gogh is a grey 17 HH jumper stallion Licensed and approved with the Oldenburg Verband, ISR/Oldenburg N.A., CWHBA and RPSI. Pablito is a bay 16.2 HH Hanover stallion Approved Hannover, AHS, GOV, Oldenburg/ISR, CWHBA and approved by SWANA for Swedish mares.

Rock Solid Warmbloods is offering free breedings to Rock Solid to those holding valid breeding contracts related to this matter that you won’t or haven’t been able to use. Breeder to be responsible for collection and shipping. Rock Solid is a dark brown Oldenburg stallion. He can be seen on their website at www.rocksolidwarmbloods.com/2013_breedings2_016.htm

Silver Creek Farm will offer free breedings to Apiro for any holders of a valid and unfulfilled Breeding Contract related to this matter. Apiro is a 16.3 HH Bavarian Warmblood Approved AHS, ISR/Oldenburg, Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society, RPSI, Pferdezuchtverband Rheinland-Pfalz-Saar e.V., and CWHBA. Please note that this is for frozen semen only, although it is a LFG contract. Collection/dose fee is $150 and then the shipping/packaging fees from www.equine-reproduction.com. Apiro can be seen on their website at www.silvercreeksporthorses.com

Susan Doner will offer free breedings to her stallions for any holders of a valid and unfulfilled Breeding Contract related to this matter. For those who are interested in h/j offspring, Argosy is a black 1995 Hanoverian. Please note; he longer licensed with the GOV (expired). For jumpers, the Dutch Warmblood stallion Boleem (frozen only). He is Approved GOV and RPSI. My website is being reconstructed so it is down. If anyone is interested would need to email me at littlebullrun@aol.com

True Colours Farm will offer free breedings to Guaranteed Gold, 16.1hh cremello TB stallion, Approved Bronze Premium CSHA, for any holders of a valid and unfulfilled Breeding Contract related to this matter. Regular collection and shipping fees only to apply. Guaranteed Gold can be seen on their website at www.truecoloursfarm.com

A huge thank you to all of the wonderful people who have donated their services to help make our industry a better place! :applause: Hopefully, this helps those affected start the year on a positive note!

Kathy St. Martin posted this on Facebook this morning. Her statement is shared by all of the Stallion Owners listed above:
“We are NOT interested in making anything off of this offer. Our goal is simply to try and make things right for those that have been put in an untenable position by this whole situation. So, if our offer makes it a little bit easier and a little less unpleasant, good. That’s our goal.”

If anyone else has something they would like to donate towards this cause, please let us know and we will add you to the list!

As well, a live online auction has been created to help raise funds for the Marin Humane Society. This is separate from the above. The auction can be found at http://www.leg-up.org/marin-county-fund-raisingauctiondonation-page.html There is an email link on the auction page for anyone wanting to donate additional items to the live auction.

[Edgar]

That is a great idea , thanks Daventry, Katy, Jos and Maggie!
I will join in doing the same and offer free breedings to Baron Van Gogh and Pablito for those who are not able to get their valid GFF breeding agreement fulfilled.

For anyone who is holding a valid Gray Fox Farm Breeding Contract that you won’t or haven’t been able to use, Rainbow Equus Meadows will offer a breeding to Baron Van Gogh or Pablitofor FREE for those Mare Owners who may be interested. Mare Owners would be responsible for collection and shipping charges, Baron and Pablito can be seen on their website at www.rainbowequus.com

[alliekat]

I just have to say that I am blown away with the generosity of our fellow breeders. While I personally was not taken by Jill, I know several people who were. It does my heart good to see so many working together to begin to right this situation. Donating to the Marin Humane Society will be the way we are able to help. If we were not clear across the country, I would be happy to open our farm up to foster some of the horses in the most need. Keep up the great work everyone. I know the horses will be forever thankful.

[cnigh]

I appreciate the generosity too and for sure many services could be donanted to help. Legal, vet, transport etc.

This is not the time IMHO to promote breeding or other stallions/programs. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth actually.

Kudos to those who truly do want to help.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=cnigh;6756759]
I appreciate the generosity too and for sure many services could be donanted to help. Legal, vet, transport etc.

This is not the time IMHO to promote breeding or other stallions/programs. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth actually.

Kudos to those who truly do want to help.[/QUOTE]

Always someone who looks at the glass half empty. There are going to be many many people that will be if not are already out breedings that they may never see a return on because of JB. I think the community stepping forward and trying to help those people is a VERY noble gesture.

[gabby.gator]

[QUOTE=cnigh;6756759]
I appreciate the generosity too and for sure many services could be donanted to help. Legal, vet, transport etc.

This is not the time IMHO to promote breeding or other stallions/programs. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth actually.

Kudos to those who truly do want to help.[/QUOTE]

I actually was happy to see the other stallion owners offer their stallions… the ones who have been taken by JB spent $$ on stud fees, etc, meaning they WANTED to breed, whatever their specific reasons… so if they wanted to continue on that path, they would have to come up with more $$, and having the generosity of other SO’s, makes it so those people can continue.

[Proud_To_Be_Spotted]

@cnigh;6756759

This is not the time IMHO to promote breeding or other stallions/programs. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth actually.

Why?? Most are not big breeders, but people with a mare they wanted to breed to a stallion they thought would be a good match to their mares. They had no ideal of the mess they were stepping in to.

I thank the stallion owners with such high quality stock for stepping up.

[Daventry]

[QUOTE=cnigh;6756759]
I appreciate the generosity too and for sure many services could be donanted to help. Legal, vet, transport etc.

This is not the time IMHO to promote breeding or other stallions/programs. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth actually.

Kudos to those who truly do want to help.[/QUOTE]

(banging head on desk)

Sorry, but offering free stud fees, and in some cases, waiving collection fees does not make any of the Stallion Owners any money. If anything, it puts many of them in the hole.

The following post put on Facebook by Kathy says it all:

“We are NOT interested in making anything off of this offer. Our goal is simply to try and make things right for those that have been put in an untenable position by this whole situation. So, if our offer makes it a little bit easier and a little less unpleasant, good. That’s our goal.”

For many of us that have no other way to help out, cannot afford to donate cash, cannot provide legal help, transport, vet work or what have you, this is just one more way many of us can give back to the Equine Community and show that we are willing to work together. If you want to be a Debbie Downer about it, that’s your choice.

[Laurierace]

The kindness and generosity of COTHers never ceases to amaze me! I knew of Kathy’s offer but to see so many others willing to share their lovely stallions blows me away! I think the 2014 foal crop is going to have some shining stars in it. I can’t wait for their arrival.