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What are the pending warrants against her and where do they originate from?[/QUOTE]
Info is here: http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/equine-court/civil-matters/waldenbrook-farm-inc-plaintiff-v-jill-burnell-defendant.aspx
It is the defrauded people that have the strongest case, IMO. Unpaid bills, warrants in debt, bounced check, chicken feed to law enforcement. But selling something you don’t have to sell, and often never had, and taking full payment for it, is a much bigger deal. THOSE people need to really go after her.
Well according to this, people have a right to comment on line.
http://bristowbeat.com/news/va-court-decision-defends-right-to-comment-online/
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It is the defrauded people that have the strongest case, IMO. Unpaid bills, warrants in debt, bounced check, chicken feed to law enforcement. But selling something you don’t have to sell, and often never had, and taking full payment for it, is a much bigger deal. THOSE people need to really go after her.[/QUOTE]
agree. if they banded together and fought it could do some good. the AC stuff will all be dropped… is my guess.
If I remember correctly there was mention of shipping semen to Canada without proper protocol. It seems like that would be a big thing to the Federal folks that are in charge of that.
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if it wasnt for this thread; Marin County wouldnt even be investigating Jill Burnell of Gray Fox Farms right now.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe that, people still have phones to contact them directly.
Several people wondered why she would leave all the negative posts on FB. I’m thinking that might have been deliberate. Combine that with this thread and i think mbm is correct.
There is an awful lot of speculation, f/u on rumors (such as the body score) and then there are the facts. The fact thread was started but only got to 7 responses.
Of course people are allowed to comment (to FalseImpression) but that doesn’t mean she can’t use those comments to support her case of harassment.
What I myself find a bit odd is this:
According to Weems, on Dec. 26, two stallions got into a fight. Weems said a young stallion jumped out of his paddock and into another stallion’s pen. She stated that both animals were immediately attended to. While the stallion owners, veterinarians and the Burnells, who care for approximately 30 horses on the property, were deciding whether to take one of the stallions to a clinic for additional treatment, the Marin Humane Society responded to a complaint about the property, at which time they impounded one of the stallions and an older mare
The MHS seized the horses on the 27th…but the way Weems statement is written above, they happened to show up just after said stallion fight on the 26th. So the story doesn’t match facts. Is anyone else reading it that way?
But if the wronged people have proof, then it isn’t just trying to tear her business down. I DO think that anyone not having a direct business/horse roblem with her should refrain from posting, as that could be construed as piling on. But if the people, and i am assuming they have all the documentation/communications, that are really wronged are posting, I don’t see how it can be used agaist prosecution.
Well a picture is worth a thousand words and those photos of where she processed the semen and the dead chicken, etc. was sent to the California State Veterinarian. So there are valid issues here that the State should be considering. Also the dead chickens - well any municipal or county health officer can get involved when something like that happens.
I don’t believe for a moment there has been “piling on” here - just complete disgust that we have situations like this in our industry and layers of government and equine organizations have been slow to get involved.
I find it a bit hard to believe that she would file harassment charges against so many people. But then again - she does have a lawyer on her payroll ( no doubt paying her off in Redwine breedings or foals).
And don’t know how CA criminal court treats “harassment”, but in GA, typically a plaintiff gets a temporary restraining order issued against the defendant (through Superior Court). I believe TRO’s typically expire within 10 days of issuance, unless the court extends the expiration date with agreement from the defendant. To get a full protective order issued, there has to be a hearing, in which the defendant is allowed to present evidence and cross examine witnesses.
And I for one am rather skeptical she would show up in court time and again to testify in harassment hearings. It would rather open the door for her to be picked up for the outstanding arrest warrants.
The MHS seized the horses on the 27th…but the way Weems statement is written above, they happened to show up just after said stallion fight on the 26th. So the story doesn’t match facts. Is anyone else reading it that way?
The timeline could make sense. Entirely unrelated to this particular situation, I could certainly imagine a scenario where a vet is called out on emergency to treat an injured animal. That same vet could have knowledge that his office has an unpaid balance and may assess that there is no active plan to get the animal to a facility where the animal could receive medically necessary care… just hypothesizing, mind you, that vet might then call the local authorities to make absolutely sure that the medically necessary care was arranged for one way or another. In such a situation, the authorities might take possession of the animals promptly especially if the owner was faced with a surrender or get medical care immediately option. Since most clinics require your credit card to enter the building before the animal does, that makes surrender the only option available to people with limited financial means. Or so I gather from watching Animal Planet. 
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Well a picture is worth a thousand words and those photos of where she processed the semen and the dead chicken, etc. was sent to the California State Veterinarian. So there are valid issues here that the State should be considering. Also the dead chickens - well any municipal or county health officer can get involved when something like that happens.
I don’t believe for a moment there has been “piling on” here - just complete disgust that we have situations like this in our industry and layers of government and equine organizations have been slow to get involved.[/QUOTE]
Sorry disagree wholeheartedly. Plenty of pile ons. Plenty of rumors and false statements. Some corrected some not. Combine that with lots coming from stallion owners with competing stallions and of course a court is going to see conflict.
I completely disagree with you horsenut 93136. Burnell would have to prove a DIRECT relationship between comments and loss of business. Judging by that office/laboratory that looked like an overturned dumpster - any paper work necessary to prove a negative impact on her business probably doesn’t exist. And I’ve seen no one on here using the thread to promote other stallions - except to offer free breedings to raise money or help out mare owner who were defrauded.
I see you just joined the BB last week.
whatever happens, don’t you think her name is dirt now? If people are still ignorant and stupid enough to deal with her, then it’s a very well deserved mess they will get themselves in.
I only hope that the ones that have been wronged, have proof, will grow a spine and get together to put her out of business…
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Sorry disagree wholeheartedly. Plenty of pile ons. Plenty of rumors and false statements. Some corrected some not. Combine that with lots coming from stallion owners with competing stallions and of course a court is going to see conflict.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Since there is already “a pile on” of 300ks of views and responses and not any dissent that there are not serious problems that need to be addressed…then I say keep bringing it. This thing is snowballing as more become aware and more experiences are shared. That is why anything at all is finally being done.
Weems, whose office is in Fairfax, said she also represents a Georgia woman who bought the stallion and was waiting for it to be shipped before it was injured and confiscated.
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And here starts the spin that they are not really her horses.[/QUOTE]
Well I for one would not be surprised to learn that Jill’s silent supporter, Rising Star Farm/ Ronda Stavisky is helping her by ‘buying’ the stallions from her. She was afterall saying on FB that a big announcement was soon to be forthcoming.
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my suggestions? that Coth take this tread down asap and that folks that were allegedly wronged lawyer up asap -
this thread will be used against the prosecution and it will be spun as a attack and attempt to destroy her etc etc.
I am telling you this is going to get UGLY.
oh, did they say Georgia? That would be David Adamo or his partner… so transparent here what is going on…[/QUOTE]
Just popping in to say, David Adamo has to the best of my knowledge been back in Ca since the early fall training out of Hawkwood in Petaluma, and his former partner has been in Alabama (not Georgia) for at least 40 years.
One has to question why a supposed buyer in GA would use Weems as an attorney. As for David Adamo, don’t drag his name into this, just because the attorney seems to think putting a grooming job on her resume is impressive (weird). Also, Weems seems to have “groomed” for Adamo, after he moved from the area, which doesn’t sound likely, looking at both timelines.
Having met Adamo and his family, he’s a very nice guy and doesn’t deserve to be dragged into all of this, just because Weems put a grooming job on her CV.
Now I’m curious as to horsenut…sure seems to be supportive right now…
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I completely disagree with you horsenut 93136. Burnell would have to prove a DIRECT relationship between comments and loss of business. Judging by that office/laboratory that looked like an overturned dumpster - any paper work necessary to prove a negative impact on her business probably doesn’t exist. And I’ve seen no one on here using the thread to promote other stallions - except to offer free breedings to raise money or help out mare owner who were defrauded.
I see you just joined the BB last week.[/QUOTE]
and? because I joined last week I can’t have an opinion different from yours? I’m not the only one who has suggested this thread could work in the wrong direction. And did not say SO’s were using the thread to promote their business, simply feel a lot of statements from SO’s would sound like sour grapes. This was mentioned on FB as well.
I think if the thread were to stay true to facts it very well could have been used to help MHS and their case.
