Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[TWF]

[QUOTE=dianehalpin;6769246]
I’ve just read the newsletter feeling nauseated. What a pile of --------! Ms. Burnell, you belong behind bars. I hope that no one ran to PayPal to deliver more money for Jill to spend on Jill while the horses starve, cripple themselves, kill each other, etc. What an uncommon criminal the woman is! I probably should stop following this story, as she really does make me sick.[/QUOTE]

Now we see past the “Holiday Glow”… behind the “smoke and mirrors” of lush verdant pastures of GGF.
Beyond comprehension!

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773636]
Because he is black and blingy, which is all the rage in the hunter breeding world these days. And because Jill has in the past blown off concerns by mare owners - many of whom are novice enough to not know about or understand the disease. (Not to mention she has even gone so far as to tell some of them they didn’t need to worry about vaccinating their mares, as they would be “naturally vaccinated” against EVA by breeding to Redwine.)[/QUOTE]

No,that is not the reason. “Black and blingy” is not “all the rage” in hunterland, and compared to foals produced, there really aren’t that many black ones. The FACT is that he seems to be very prepotent in producing things a hunter breeder looks for: pretty, correct, good movers, good jumpers, great minds. I have yet to hear of/from an owner who was disappointedin their Redwine foal. I am sure there are some, but they certainly aren’t very vocal. Any idiot can see the consistency in typeand appearance he throws, bred to who knows how many mares. We have seen or had enough of them to be fans of the stallio, and regardless of Jill’s antics, will remain fans.

[lauriep]

Also, please excuse the excessive number of typos in my recent posts. I have a broken wrist and am typing with one hand and “hunting and pecking.” I also forget there is no auto capitalization and punctuation like ther is on my iPad. So sorry…

[Appsolute]

I think the fact that so many HAVE bred to GGF stallions, despite the rumors, and Jill’s subpar business practices speaks volumes about the horses.

I am not a breeder, but personally, I think Redwine is a very nice stallion. Now imagine how successful he could be a with a competent stallion owner!

[minnie]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6773890]
No,that is not the reason. “Black and blingy” is not “all the rage” in hunterland, and compared to foals produced, there really aren’t that many black ones. The FACT is that he seems to be very prepotent in producing things a hunter breeder looks for: pretty, correct, good movers, good jumpers, great minds. I have yet to hear of/from an owner who was disappointedin their Redwine foal. I am sure there are some, but they certainly aren’t very vocal. Any idiot can see the consistency in typeand appearance he throws, bred to who knows how many mares. We have seen or had enough of them to be fans of the stallio, and regardless of Jill’s antics, will remain fans.[/QUOTE]

I would just think that giving the option of breedimg to an eva positive stud, with all the extra risks and comcerns, or to an equally proven eva negative stud, one would choose the eva negative. Like I said, just genuinely curious.

[sid]

Sometimes mare owners are looking for specific bloodlines in a stallion, so I can see why they may opt for the EVA positive horse. However, management is paramount. I recall when Iron Spring Farm was “hit” years ago with several of their awesome stallions becoming EVA positive. But with careful management and education, they did just fine.

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773815]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;6773802]

Go Fish why does it look like my comment when it was Down Yonder’s ??? :([/QUOTE]

Don’t know…I tried to go back and edit, and it wouldn’t let me. Sorry!

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=minnie;6773939]
I would just think that giving the option of breedimg to an eva positive stud, with all the extra risks and comcerns, or to an equally proven eva negative stud, one would choose the eva negative. Like I said, just genuinely curious.[/QUOTE]

Breeding decisions are based on a number of considerations. Two stallions may be equally “proven,” but pedigree (both mare and stallion), conformation, intended discipline, offspring, etc. are all aspects that a responsible mare owner takes into account before selecting stallion.

While EVA status is certainly a concern, it would not preclude me from breeding to a positive stallion if that stallion was the best possible match for my mare.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;6773948]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773815]

Don’t know…I tried to go back and edit, and it wouldn’t let me. Sorry![/QUOTE]

no problem, when I quoted your post back the statement came out as Down Yonder,go figure

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;6773802]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773664]

I believe it’s an “unwritten” rule that you don’t come on this board and bash another member’s stallion. While I’m not sure why, it’s rarely done. There are several SOs that post regularly on this board that I’d dearly love to pick apart - I’d geld them in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

OK, how about I rephrase it: Some folks (and very experienced and well known hunter folks, at that) feel he is limited in scope and ability for upper levels of hunters, and for those reasons look elsewhere for stallions for their hunter mares. :winkgrin:

[Proud_To_Be_Spotted]

Quick question about the last Marin Independent Journal article. It states:

“The state of California has a very broad animal protection statute, Weems said. If it’s not enforced in a balanced way it’s subject to a lot of abuse.”

Is she trying to say that even though Marin County has tough laws re: abuse/neglect, what ever laws CA has on the books will over ride? Is it possible for them to use this and win?

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6773890]
The FACT is that he seems to be very prepotent in producing things a hunter breeder looks for: pretty, correct, good movers, good jumpers, great minds. [/QUOTE]

Really now - how many people would have bred to him if he wasn’t black and blingy?

And I guess your idea of “good jumper” is different from mine. But then, I have been hanging around jumper folks a bit lately, so I guess my viewpoint is tainted. :lol:

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773977]
OK, how about I rephrase it: Some folks (and very experienced and well known hunter folks, at that) feel he is limited in scope and ability for upper levels of hunters, and for those reasons look elsewhere for stallions for their hunter mares. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

and some folks including very experienced and well known hunter trainers feel he is not limited in scope and ability

I like the other quote above your rephrasing better

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773983]
Really now - how many people would have bred to him if he wasn’t black and blingy?

And I guess your idea of “good jumper” is different from mine. But then, I have been hanging around jumper folks a bit lately, so I guess my viewpoint is tainted. :lol:[/QUOTE]

What do you get from tearing down the stallion? Since my comfort level maxes out at about 2ft, I imagine my foal will have more than enough scope for my tastes. My doctors don’t even want me to ride anymore let alone show grand prix jumpers so she suits me just fine. And mine isn’t black even though both parents were. Go figure.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773983]
Really now - how many people would have bred to him if he wasn’t black and blingy?

And I guess your idea of “good jumper” is different from mine. But then, I have been hanging around jumper folks a bit lately, so I guess my viewpoint is tainted. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yes I seriously doubt we want hunters jumping like a lot of jumpers I see. But then again there are some who can do both.

I think if you were to take a poll, that as supsected and as many have pointed out, they are quite pleased with their offspring. So not sure what your agenda is in trying to put down this stallions merits.

[Justa_Bob]

[QUOTE=Proud To Be Spotted;6773978]
Quick question about the last Marin Independent Journal article. It states:

“The state of California has a very broad animal protection statute, Weems said. If it’s not enforced in a balanced way it’s subject to a lot of abuse.”

Is she trying to say that even though Marin County has tough laws re: abuse/neglect, what ever laws CA has on the books will over ride? Is it possible for them to use this and win?[/QUOTE]

Weems is going up against Marin’s attorney, who is well-versed in the laws.

The best shot these horses have is through supporting the legal costs - donations are being accepted. Some of the older mares are not going to have anyone advocating for them. Mounting legal defense for this case involving so many horses (potentially) is not cheap.

Leg-up auction is amazing - some of the auctions end today. Check out the Stallion Services donated - its spectacular:

Cash donations can be made here:
http://www.leg-up.org/marin-county-fund-raisingauctiondonation-page.html

Auction items
http://www.legup-auction.org/main

Marin Humane Society - Horse neglect case:
https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI3NLKgKYF/b.8490959/k.5C3E/West_Marin_Horse_Case/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=aiIOI3NLKgKYF&b=8490959&en=6oKFJLOrEgICJNNsH4JFLSOxGoITJVOvGfJOJ0MvH7LBLTPIF

Kudos to all those working behind the scenes to protect these horses and create a future for the ones less known and older.

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773983]
Really now - how many people would have bred to him if he wasn’t black and blingy?

And I guess your idea of “good jumper” is different from mine. But then, I have been hanging around jumper folks a bit lately, so I guess my viewpoint is tainted. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Whatever, Down Yonder. Don’t breed to him. I know what we have seen in the KIDS, and I stand by my, and Junior’s opinion.

Oh, and I 'hung around" with some of the best jumpers and hunters this country has ever produced. I KNOW my viewpoint is “tainted.” And I still like his kids.

[Equine_Reproduction]

Okay, regardless of all the background machinations, speculation,e tc., I think that the general consensus is to help the horses, yes? So, how’s about we flip this a little bit onto a more positive note?! As Justabob stated, the leg-Up Auction has some PHENOMENAL stallions there. Anyone here disagree that it’s for the right reason? :). And, I definitely think that all of those who stepped up to help deserve HUGES accolades. I truly cannot say enough. I am heartsick about all that has transpired, but when I wander through the pages, looking at all the beautiful stallions and the wonderful items donated, it gives me a REALLY good feeling! Heartwarming. Inspired! Doing something good! So, take some of this vitriol and channel it! Go for a walk! Pet the dog! Polish your halos :D! Go bid on something in the auction!!! Yeah!! That’s it! Go bid!

Five items a night will close. Tonight is the first five items. They close before midnight on the east coast! So, Bid and bid often! And remember, it is hopefully helping those that need the help the most! The horses!

http://www.leg-up.org/marin-county-fund-raisingauctiondonation-page.html

[Lulu]

I found it curious in the RMHP article that it said the new owner “is unaware of the horse’s present condition.” This doesn’t make sense to me. Not sure what the legalities are, but I sure hope someone is going to repay all of those vet bills.

[sid]

Ditto. Time to refocus. :yes: