[QUOTE=Toadie’s mom;6775883]
Yet another of my worthless observations, but “dilligaf and Silver Balls” do seem to go together :lol:
:lol:[/QUOTE]
You win!!!
The Romantic Star sale IS on the up and up, so leave that subject and Ronda alone and quit with the muckraking so you don’t scare other legitimate homes for the horses away.
This whole thing just rips me apart. Defenseless animals in questionable circumstances…seeing the pictures… hearing the stories… brings out the worst in me. No one can turn back the clock, and I have to understand that everyone handles these things in their own time and their own way.
I feel horrible and wish I could make this all better NOW!
[QUOTE=Toadie’s mom;6775883]
Yet another of my worthless observations, but “dilligaf and Silver Balls” do seem to go together :lol:
:lol:[/QUOTE]
You win!!!
Just curious but if Romantic Star was suffering from not only a broken jaw but ALSO poor body condition. The body condition certainly was not an effect of the broken jaw from the supposed fight the day prior yes/no??
Doesn’t the poor body condition sort of make the “fight” obsolete from a defense point of view?
[QUOTE=SilverBalls;6775906]
This whole thing just rips me apart. Defenseless animals in questionable circumstances…seeing the pictures… hearing the stories… brings out the worst in me. No one can turn back the clock, and I have to understand that everyone handles these things in their own time and their own way.
I feel horrible and wish I could make this all better NOW![/QUOTE]
Amen 
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6775926]
Just curious but if Romantic Star was suffering from not only a broken jaw but ALSO poor body condition. The body condition certainly was not an effect of the broken jaw from the supposed fight the day prior yes/no??
Doesn’t the poor body condition sort of make the “fight” obsolete from a defense point of view?[/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding! :yes:
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6775926]
Just curious but if Romantic Star was suffering from not only a broken jaw but ALSO poor body condition. The body condition certainly was not an effect of the broken jaw from the supposed fight the day prior yes/no??
Doesn’t the poor body condition sort of make the “fight” obsolete from a defense point of view?[/QUOTE]
I have been loosely following this saga, but I saw that Rising Star Farm had recently gotten a health cert for Romantic Star to be shipped, so his body condition must have been deemed suitable for the travel.
[QUOTE=CrowneDragon;6776103]
I have been loosely following this saga, but I saw that Rising Star Farm had recently gotten a health cert for Romantic Star to be shipped, so his body condition must have been deemed suitable for the travel.[/QUOTE]
But let’s not forget the health cert was acquired by Jill. Depending on which vet was used, it’s possible she may have used one with questionable judgment considering the fact that she has likely stiffed most if not all of the reputable vets in her area.
Also, if RS had in fact been seen by a vet after the fight as Jill’s lawyer claims, why wouldn’t they have taken him straight to the clinic considering he had a broken jaw? Instead they were still discussing that option 24 hours later. If the same vet did the health cert that tended to RS after the fight, that’s another reason I question the judgment of that vet.
Or maybe the vet didn’t see Rising Star. Maybe s/he saw a horse that looked like Rising Star.
[QUOTE=Molly Malone;6776369]
Or maybe the vet didn’t see Rising Star. Maybe s/he saw a horse that looked like Rising Star.[/QUOTE]
Romantic Star. Rising Star is the farm that bought him.
I doubt any vet actually saw the horse. This woman has been known to forge official documents before.
This is the wording with the dates from the new SO’s page: On December 19th the vet came out to pull blood for coggins, do paperwork for the transport health certificate and administer a rabies shot. Shipping through Brook Ledge Transportation was arranged with pick-up scheduled for December 28.
I doubt the shipping would have been arranged without these needed papers in hand, but who knows.
I still fail to see how this is anyone’s business, but the two party’s involved. Also, while I’m mot wishing hundreds of PM’s on Rhonda, for those who think she did something shady, or do not approve of the deal, why not just ask her, instead of speculating on a BB?
Edited to add: I do understand that there are made owners who are waiting to see if their contracts will be honored, but so far those that have posted here, are folks with no dogs in the fight.
NJRider, I’m not doubting that’s what the new owner was told, nor that shipping was arranged. On the contrary! I am simply doubting she was told the truth of HOW it all came together.
Owners pull blood, fill out the coggins paperwork (including markings), and drop it all off at the vet’s office all the time (NOT saying I necessarily agree with that method, nor do I do it). There is any number of theories that can be tossed for the health certificate, I won’t go there.
I just sincerely doubt Jill let any vet on her property, even with the new owner paying for it. And she has a history with shippers, too…so that could have been interesting. Could have.
I am on the buyer’s side here.
It think it is related to whether a vet actually examined the horse about 10 days before the seizure and what the condition was of the horse at that time. If the horse was in poor condition then, perhaps any inappropriate actions by either the vet or JB will be added to the mix as well.
[QUOTE=Kenike;6776411]
Owners pull blood, fill out the coggins paperwork (including markings), and drop it all off at the vet’s office all the time (NOT saying I necessarily agree with that method, nor do I do it). There is any number of theories that can be tossed for the health certificate, I won’t go there.[/QUOTE]
Holy crap, seriously? I have NEVER known a vet that would let me do that! Well, maybe I know some, but I’ve never used one that would let me…
Sorry, back on topic…
There is a pattern on COTH that we’ve all seen hundreds of times over the years… where someone raises a legitimate concern, and gets shot down (and attacked) by a bunch of groupies and/or aliases of the one at the center of the concern. Some of these protective groupies are well meaning, but mis-informed.
Many posters on this thread have commented that they tried to call attention to the mess before it got so far out of hand, and they were attacked and maligned for doing so.
I think that there are legitimate concerns about some of these details, and given the track record of one of the parties involved… it seems appropriate to question things. I don’t think anyone has anything but good intentions, to see that things move in a good direction for the horses involved, and for all of the parties involved, including the creditors who are legitimately owed money from the dispersal of assets. And anyone reading this thread knows that there are credible reports of judgments against one of the parties here.
[QUOTE=NJRider;6776384]
This is the wording with the dates from the new SO’s page: On December 19th the vet came out to pull blood for coggins, do paperwork for the transport health certificate and administer a rabies shot. Shipping through Brook Ledge Transportation was arranged with pick-up scheduled for December 28.
I doubt the shipping would have been arranged without these needed papers in hand, but who knows.[/QUOTE]
We have shipped stallions, and have a bit of experience with the topic (but do not claim to be experts here). I am a bit surprised that one could get a vet out to do a health certificate and have the results back in time to schedule transport…. in such a brief period of time. Horse owners in Marin County, and / or Kathy and Jos would have more info… but it does seem rather quick.
Never had a positive Coggins and a stallion could be on the road in 24 hrs as that is all it takes to get blood results back for the shipper. One sets up shipping often before doing the coggins as it is not likely to be positive.
I have seen both, vets that if they know you and generally know the horse will fill out a HC without an examination. That being said, I’ve also had a horse examined for a HC to ship out of state and recieved the HC on the spot. Of course these horses already had a current negative coggins and vaccination record.
Could someone link to where they read that RS has a broken jaw? Just curious as I can’t seem to find it.
