Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[ponyponyponi]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6775902]
The Romantic Star sale IS on the up and up, so leave that subject and Ronda alone and quit with the muckraking so you don’t scare other legitimate homes for the horses away.[/QUOTE]

And you know this how? What source you been getting YOUR information from?? Your posts are suspect. As I recall, you also sang praises about Jill’s place when you were out there last spring. Methinks perhaps it is self-ingratiating. A way to hopefully make sure you were one that “did” get paid? Hmmm? No, lets DO keep the subject of Ronda at the forefront of this discussion right where she probably belongs.

Here’s how I see it.

There are LOTS of people that are doing everything in their power to help rectify this mess NONE of which is their creation. There is an entire AUCTION dedicated to helping the cause and as far as I can tell, I don’t see ANY of Rising Star’s stallions donated to that. How odd? However, RSF has “heroically” laughs sarcastically swooped in and “rescued” Romantic Star from the evil hands of Jill Burnell/GFF. Gimme a break. Oh but wait - she’s also represented by the SAME attorney as JB/GFF. Hmmm. I’m unsure as to why that should be disregarded as fact. WHY is that, do you think? Birds of a feather? And then she has the audacity to whine about not getting updates on Romantic Star from the Marin Humane Society. REALLY?? Why don’t you call the vet that is allegedly claiming that Jill Burnell is taking GREAT care of those horses? Presumably they are also supporting the attorney in the attorney’s claim that a stallion injured on one day can drop to a body score of ??? - apparently low enough to be seized - the next as a result of the injury! Lets not forget that please, the stallion apparently went from A HEALTHY CONDITION TO NEEDING TO BE SEIZED IN 10 DAYS! :eek: In fact, I’d like to get the name of that vet so that I can make sure that no one “I” know makes the mistake of using his/her services if it turns out to be more than alleged. Surely someone can provide us with that name? (off to go search through court documents) - Oh! Here we go. Dr. Cheryl Ellis, Foothill Mobile Veterinary Service 3281 Luneman Road, Placerville, CA 95667 - 530-622-0174. I certainly think she deserves some of those well deserved accolades. <rolling eyes>. Obviously another “hero” willing to go the extra mile for who? I have been loosely following this saga, but I saw that Rising Star Farm (Yep. Right there on Ms. Stavisky’s Facebook wall!) had recently gotten a health cert for Romantic Star to be shipped, so his body condition must have been deemed suitable for the travel and yet suitable to be seized by a Humane Society and not returned by order of the Court when a writ is served? I think that says something about the stallion’s condition and perhaps the alleged “health” certificate. Hopefully if that is the case, the signatory on the health certificate will also be investigated.

But, let’s look at this a little bit further. By purchasing Romantic Star, she has essentially put funds into the “wonderful” JB/GFF’s coffers and thereby assists the woman in continuing on her way of shouldering people out of money, foals, mares, breedings, etc. Yeah…Ronda is a “wonderful” person, isn’t she. AMAZING! Worthy of all your glowing remarks. More like self-serving, self-agrandizing, conceited, self-absorbed and certainly villainous in this situation. She’s lost ALL credibility in my eyes and I will question anyone that sees her as a hero in this. Who is she helping here? Really? The horses? The humane society? Jill Burnell? Ronda Stavisky? Who? Shame on her and anyone else attempting to sweep any of this under the rug for the sake of keeping Jill the star of this disgusting mess. She’s as much a problem here as Jill.:mad:

The actual heroes in all of this are those people that HAVE gone above and beyond in trying to make this right. Anyone who has donated a penny, made suggestions, offered breeding services. The ones that get nothing out of this. Ronda Stavisky is NOT one of those and indeed has compounded the problem by essentially enabling and assisting the biggest crook of them all in this. Jill Burnell. Assisting her, sharing her same council, it stinks and you all know it.

Honesty doesn’t always pay, but dishonesty always costs! And I think in this particular situation, it’s cost Ms. Stavisky her reputation - as it should. I know I certainly won’t be sending ANY of my mares or business her way and I’ll make sure to suggest that there are other considerably more reputable stallion owners who have shown their true colors in this situation. Anyone looking for a breeding to a wonderful stallion, I would suggest that they look at the list of stallion owners that “have” contributed to the auction for Leg-Up and throw their resources to those that are proving that they are an asset to the sporthorse industry. Not some blood sucking leech that sucks the life force out of all that is right and good.

[Laurierace]

I understand your position but I think anyone who gets a horse away from Jill Burnell is doing the horse a favor first and foremost. I also think if you really had faith in your position you wouldn’t have created an alter to say it. I don’t really care about the details until they are all safe, then we can attempt to figure out who the good guys and the bad guys really are.

[onthebit]

[QUOTE=Cartier;6776458]

We have shipped stallions, and have a bit of experience with the topic (but do not claim to be experts here). I am a bit surprised that one could get a vet out to do a health certificate and have the results back in time to schedule transport…. in such a brief period of time. Horse owners in Marin County, and / or Kathy and Jos would have more info… but it does seem rather quick.[/QUOTE]

We have horses shipped to us for retirement from all over the U.S. and Canada. You can get a coggins and a health certificate with a 24 hour turnaround with no issues, this is done routinely. You can also arrange cross country shipping quickly and easily with a good shipper, I’ve helped our clients do it dozens of times. I see nothing odd about the timeframe of coggins/health certificate and shipping at all.

[ponyponyponi]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;6776512]
I understand your position but I think anyone who gets a horse away from Jill Burnell is doing the horse a favor first and foremost. I don’t really care about the details until they are all safe.[/QUOTE]

It doesn’t help a single horse if the legitimacy and legality of rehoming, selling, or transfer is questionable. It adds red tape to the mess and makes it more difficult for Marin and the proper officials to get the remaining animals to safety. Muddies the waters.

[Ladybug_Hill]

Yes, it would be helpful if people would post under their own identity. And consider only speaking the way you would directly to someone’s face.

I had heard that Romantic Star had a broken jaw. It was somewhat of a rumor but from a source that often does “know” things because of extensive networking. Often, rumors are right in these cases. Too bad we can’t know.

I do agree that the sale may be in question if Jill owes so much to so many. Seems that nothing she owns should be free and clear for her to sell. Would like to see all the horses in good homes though.

[Stella_M]

[QUOTE=ponyponyponi;6776507]
And you know this how? What source you been getting YOUR information from?? Your posts are suspect. As I recall, you also sang praises about Jill’s place when you were out there last spring. Methinks perhaps it is self-ingratiating. A way to hopefully make sure you were one that “did” get paid? Hmmm? No, lets DO keep the subject of Ronda at the forefront of this discussion right where she probably belongs.

Here’s how I see it.

There are LOTS of people that are doing everything in their power to help rectify this mess NONE of which is their creation. There is an entire AUCTION dedicated to helping the cause and as far as I can tell, I don’t see ANY of Rising Star’s stallions donated to that. How odd? However, RSF has “heroically” laughs sarcastically swooped in and “rescued” Romantic Star from the evil hands of Jill Burnell/GFF. Gimme a break. Oh but wait - she’s also represented by the SAME attorney as JB/GFF. Hmmm. I’m unsure as to why that should be disregarded as fact. WHY is that, do you think? Birds of a feather? And then she has the audacity to whine about not getting updates on Romantic Star from the Marin Humane Society. REALLY?? Why don’t you call the vet that is allegedly claiming that Jill Burnell is taking GREAT care of those horses? Presumably they are also supporting the attorney in the attorney’s claim that a stallion injured on one day can drop to a body score of ??? - apparently low enough to be seized - the next as a result of the injury! Lets not forget that please, the stallion apparently went from A HEALTHY CONDITION TO NEEDING TO BE SEIZED IN 10 DAYS! :eek: In fact, I’d like to get the name of that vet so that I can make sure that no one “I” know makes the mistake of using his/her services if it turns out to be more than alleged. Surely someone can provide us with that name? (off to go search through court documents) - Oh! Here we go. Dr. Cheryl Ellis, Foothill Mobile Veterinary Service 3281 Luneman Road, Placerville, CA 95667 - 530-622-0174. I certainly think she deserves some of those well deserved accolades. <rolling eyes>. Obviously another “hero” willing to go the extra mile for who? I have been loosely following this saga, but I saw that Rising Star Farm (Yep. Right there on Ms. Stavisky’s Facebook wall!) had recently gotten a health cert for Romantic Star to be shipped, so his body condition must have been deemed suitable for the travel and yet suitable to be seized by a Humane Society and not returned by order of the Court when a writ is served? I think that says something about the stallion’s condition and perhaps the alleged “health” certificate. Hopefully if that is the case, the signatory on the health certificate will also be investigated.

But, let’s look at this a little bit further. By purchasing Romantic Star, she has essentially put funds into the “wonderful” JB/GFF’s coffers and thereby assists the woman in continuing on her way of shouldering people out of money, foals, mares, breedings, etc. Yeah…Ronda is a “wonderful” person, isn’t she. AMAZING! Worthy of all your glowing remarks. More like self-serving, self-agrandizing, conceited, self-absorbed and certainly villainous in this situation. She’s lost ALL credibility in my eyes and I will question anyone that sees her as a hero in this. Who is she helping here? Really? The horses? The humane society? Jill Burnell? Ronda Stavisky? Who? Shame on her and anyone else attempting to sweep any of this under the rug for the sake of keeping Jill the star of this disgusting mess. She’s as much a problem here as Jill.:mad:

The actual heroes in all of this are those people that HAVE gone above and beyond in trying to make this right. Anyone who has donated a penny, made suggestions, offered breeding services. The ones that get nothing out of this. Ronda Stavisky is NOT one of those and indeed has compounded the problem by essentially enabling and assisting the biggest crook of them all in this. Jill Burnell. Assisting her, sharing her same council, it stinks and you all know it.

Honesty doesn’t always pay, but dishonesty always costs! And I think in this particular situation, it’s cost Ms. Stavisky her reputation - as it should. I know I certainly won’t be sending ANY of my mares or business her way and I’ll make sure to suggest that there are other considerably more reputable stallion owners who have shown their true colors in this situation. Anyone looking for a breeding to a wonderful stallion, I would suggest that they look at the list of stallion owners that “have” contributed to the auction for Leg-Up and throw their resources to those that are proving that they are an asset to the sporthorse industry. Not some blood sucking leech that sucks the life force out of all that is right and good.[/QUOTE]

ABSOLUTELY! Thank you SO much for spelling it out. I agree 100%. If you told me she was fighting to get the oldest, sorriest broodmare out of there and on her way to Fla, I would still be disgusted for funding Jill, but cheered the efforts to rescue a horse.

But rescuing Romantic Star? You are looking at continuing to make money off a VICTIM of Jill’s, who has suffered enough. AND you keep allowing Jill to be a control-freak and let her decide where the horses she starved and didn’t feed (while she went inside and sat down at her trailer for dinner and a warm bed) are placed. Personally, Id rather see MHS place every horse in loving homes.

[Acertainsmile]

Not trying to be snarky, but LadyBug, do you mean that we should all post our first and last names?

I have to agree with poniponyponi, I’ve thought these thoughts as well. Especially when it comes to sharing an attorney, just seems odd, but may serve a purpose somehow.

For what it’s worth, I have personally seen horses lose body condition quickly when they are injured or sick (especially if they cannot eat due to a broken jaw). That would not surprise me, although quickly and overnight are two different things.

[Ladybug_Hill]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6776527]
Not trying to be snarky, but LadyBug, do you mean that we should all post our first and last names[/QUOTE]

Yep. My profile here should show my name. So tired of all the anonymous crap. I don’t say anything unless I am willing to stand behind it.

[Cartier]

[QUOTE=Edgar;6776486]
Never had a positive Coggins and a stallion could be on the road in 24 hrs as that is all it takes to get blood results back for the shipper. One sets up shipping often before doing the coggins as it is not likely to be positive.[/QUOTE]

About getting a health certificate in 24 hours, sure if you’re Edgar or a reputable breeder /horse owner, who pays their bills and has all the health records on file and up-to-date… it’s not a problem to have the vet you’ve used regularly for years drop everything to fit you in at a moment’s notice. I guess I should have phrased it that “in the context of this thread, and the stories here,” it seemed rather quick, and a bit odd that he got a health certificate under these circumstances, given the Marin County feels he needed to be seized.

Without question this thread has raised issues that tug at our heart strings… it has been something of an emotional roller coaster to say the least. Many of us know the horses and the people involved. You can read the frustration in every line of ponyponyponi’s post. It goes a bit far, but I agree with some of the points he/she makes, and I completely understand wanting to say that all anonymously. I think that post of ponyponyponi’s touches on some of the things we were thinking…

[mbm]

fwiw, if a horse has a broken jaw and presumably cant eat - it would drop weight rather quickly i would assume? so how much weight can a horse drop in 10 days if it cant eat?

also, re: purchasing horses from JB - i dont quite understand the angst here - hopefully any $$ (if there is any) going to JB will pay for feed for the horses - which is a good thing…

it is not good for the horse to have to be seized and then put in foster care etc… having been around there are good places for horses to land, but there are also not so good places - and since there are so many - it seems to me better to work this all out with the horses remaining where they are as long as they are being fed/watered/etc.

eta: i do not get this attack of folks wanting to help the horses by purchasing them? this is going to make it very difficult to re-home them if folks are afraid to take them for fear of rumors of “helping JIll”

[vineyridge]

Unless I’m wrong, and I very well could be, California law will determine if a sale is valid. I would think, without knowing California law, that unless there is a recorded lien on a horse, it could be sold and funds received. The buyer would probably be what is called a Bona-fide Purchaser for Value and would own the horse. The creditors would go against the seller for any money and other assets.

If the sale is somehow fraudulent, then the buyer would not be a BFPV.

I can easily see how a stallion station would like to have RS because he is a lovely, lovely horse even without having any prior or long term relationship to JB. Get a call that a lovely stallion must be sold / is for sale, and would you be interested? One would think that a stallion station like RSF might get several such calls per month on mares and stallions.

The fact that she is sharing a lawyer with JB could well be from ignorance. If I got a call from the seller’s attorney that the horse had been seized, I very well might say, without knowing more, “Would you handle this for me since you’re already involved against the people who seized him?” If such a call came from JB, remember how convincing she can be.

All of the above is just guessiing and supposition.

[Kenike]

@mbm;6776565

fwiw, if a horse has a broken jaw and presumably cant eat - it would drop weight rather quickly i would assume? so how much weight can a horse drop in 10 days if it cant eat?

His jaw was broken within 24-hours of his being seized, so not that much. He would have already been WAY thin before he and the other stallion fought.

[Stella_M]

[QUOTE=mbm;6776565]
fwiw, if a horse has a broken jaw and presumably cant eat - it would drop weight rather quickly i would assume? so how much weight can a horse drop in 10 days if it cant eat?

also, re: purchasing horses from JB - i dont quite understand the angst here - hopefully any $$ (if there is any) going to JB will pay for feed for the horses - which is a good thing…

it is not good for the horse to have to be seized and then put in foster care etc… having been around there are good places for horses to land, but there are also not so good places - and since there are so many - it seems to me better to work this all out with the horses remaining where they are as long as they are being fed/watered…[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Foster homes and care provided by a humane society in the eye of the public is a thousand percent improvement over remaining in Jill’s care. She doesn’t have the money for feed, sounds like she is about to lose the property and the horses will continue to be used or given to people who may give them back to Jill later.

She no longer deserves to make decisions reguarding their care. NO ONE should support her, give her money, or hide horses. She should be left alone under the scrutiny of a humane society that so far has acted quickly and in the horse’s best interest. My only wish is that they would release the photos of the horses that they seized, and THEN see how many folks here would support her.

[mbm]

ok, to be blunt: 30 horses is a lot of horses to foster. 30 horses that includes stallions, mares ready to foal and yearlings, is even harder.

Given some of the facilities we have here are not really equipped to handle theses kinds of horses i worry about the horses going to conditions/experiences that are no better than what they have now… but folks will be happy becuase they were “rescued” … that is my concern… at least where they are now is in the eye of a very public situation…

locals will know what i am talking about.

[RutlandH2O]

[QUOTE=Stella M;6776576]
I disagree. Foster homes and care provided by a humane society in the eye of the public is a thousand percent improvement over remaining in Jill’s care. She doesn’t have the money for feed, sounds like she is about to lose the property and the horses will continue to be used or given to people who may give them back to Jill later.

She no longer deserves to make decisions reguarding their care. NO ONE should support her, give her money, or hide horses. She should be left alone under the scrutiny of a humane society that so far has acted quickly and in the horse’s best interest. My only wish is that they would release the photos of the horses that they seized, and THEN see how many folks here would support her.[/QUOTE]

^^^THIS!!

[Daventry]

[QUOTE=mbm;6776565]

also, re: purchasing horses from JB - i dont quite understand the angst here - hopefully any $$ (if there is any) going to JB will pay for feed for the horses - which is a good thing… [/QUOTE]

I think the bottom line is, this can be looked as as enabling. Basically, allowing her to continue doing the same thing over and over again. Isn’t that what has apparently been happening for several years already? From the Judgements listed on RateMyHorsePro.com, it sure seems like there just isn’t enough money coming in to pay for the expenses that are going out. A logical business owner would get to the point that they realize they NEED to cut back to a more reasonable number of horses so that bills can get paid in a timely manner. With someone just mentioning, from what it sounds like, that Jill has leased yet another mare…I’m sorry, but the lady just ISN’T gettin’ it! :no:

As far as Ronda Stavisky goes, a few have hit on the problem with the whole thing. And as someone else mentioned, at the end of the day, I guess it’s really none of our business…that is, if it was a ligitimate sale from a seller to a buyer. But if that is the case, if Ronda was just simply purchasing stallions from a seller, then why not cooperate with the Marin Humane Society? Why lawyer up with the same lawyer as Jill Burnell? I think this is what’s making everybody wonder if that “is” the real story.

I don’t claim to know the laws, but maybe Jill is not legally allowed to sell any animals when she owes so many people so much money. The one Judgement posted on RateMyHorsePro.com shows that she owes someone over $60,000!! I dunno, maybe a lawyer can chime in on how that works when you go and sell a horse when you owe a bunch of money to other people?

[horsenut93136]

wow 10 likes for pony’s post makes me sad that I feel like some would still rather see every mare/stallion/baby reach a point where they had to be seized rather than letting them get out of a bad situation. Knowing that in the end there is a possibility the horses will still land with Jill because it is not 100% certain she will lose.

i can understand the part about questioning things, but, Ronda has not been accused of shady business dealings, neglecting horses etc. so really seems tacky to drag her into it.

[Daventry]

[QUOTE=Kenike;6776574]
His jaw was broken within 24-hours of his being seized, so not that much. He would have already been WAY thin before he and the other stallion fought.[/QUOTE]

Though, wasn’t it Jill Burnell that said he was injured the day before the seizure? I wonder if the vets at UC Davis can determine how old the injury actually may be?

[mbm]

i suppose you can think of it as enabling - i just think of it as getting money for feed.

[omare]

"also, re: purchasing horses from JB - i dont quite understand the angst here - hopefully any $$ (if there is any) going to JB will pay for feed for the horses - which is a good thing… "

Agreed. Not sure why RSF is the target of anything here - I suspect she is taking the straightest and least costly legal path to getting the horse in her custody (which one would reasonably assume is also in the the stallion’s best interest.) Sounds like she is going to come out of this with a big enough bill.

(I suspect if she was really self-serving she would try to void the sale -in light of the horses condition–and leave the horse to JB and the MHS because heavens knows what the vet/legal bill will be.)