Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[stripes]

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6786956]
She has had that mare a couple of years, not months, as a friend of a friend gave her to JB in late 2010 or early 2011.

It was stated earlier in this thread that Corlandia & the Hawaii du Moulin mare were shipped to a vet in CO. She defaulted on them and the vet obtained ownership and sold Corlandia. According to his website, they still have the Hawaii mare.

Next Best Thing has never been at her farm.[/QUOTE]

Kalypso on this list is a mare that she did acquire about 4 months ago FAT and happy! She is a Hanoverian mare by Kalypso out of a Diamont daughter. Her name is Krown. Waiting to hear when we can go and get her out of this crappy situation.

[AndNirina]

And Rain Time’s barn name was Riley, so she’s not listed and looks MIA as well.

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=stripes;6786970]
Kalypso on this list is a mare that she did acquire about 4 months ago FAT and happy! She is a Hanoverian mare by Kalypso out of a Diamont daughter. Her name is Krown. Waiting to hear when we can go and get her out of this crappy situation.[/QUOTE]

If there is no impound order on the horses, and you have proof of ownership that Jill can’t trump, why not just go get her?

[COTHalter44]

[QUOTE=stripes;6786970]
Kalypso on this list is a mare that she did acquire about 4 months ago FAT and happy! She is a Hanoverian mare by Kalypso out of a Diamont daughter. Her name is Krown. Waiting to hear when we can go and get her out of this crappy situation.[/QUOTE]

Good to know. The other mare was also Kalypso and is now missing from her website. Hmm, wonder what happened to her? I will try to find out.

Yes, go get that mare as soon as you can if at all possible!

[Kenike]

MRF, can you go get Diamonette? Or hire an agent to do it for you? I would imagine a Power of Attorney and copy of papers with your breeder information would suffice…though I don’t know for sure.
At the very least let MHS know so you can maybe work through their lawyer.

[Callmeacab]

I was told that everything is in the hands of the district attorney, now. So it would be a good idea for any with missing horses or concerns to contact them.

Their website is: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/da/

If enough valid claims can be made against her, through the DA’s office, perhaps the judgements against her can result in a forced sale of the horses, to pay off all the judgements? I would think getting them out of her hands, one way or another, would be the only hope for them to have a better life.

What a mess.

[RubyTuesday]

What about the farrier’s report? I would think you would need all that on that document as well. Any horse can be called by any name.

[LostAcres]

THIS whole escapade is an example of why I put on my search hat of the first Hanno double G line baby bred many years ago and selling at age 5. Went out of the horse business after I sold her. Have been reading so many horror stories over the years, so I started searching for that filly, and found her. Contacted current owners, and told them I want her back when they are ready to retire her or she was not useful anymore to them. She has been back with me now for a yr and a half, 25 yrs old now. Happy and healthy. I can sleep. I feel so bad for everyone that got involved with this sick individual

[oldernewbie]

[QUOTE=HunterRider992;6786967]
Oldernewbie, I was focusing on the mares but Redwine, Aloha, and several babies are also missing or not identified by their proper names. I’m working on sorting out the info with the babies currently.[/QUOTE]

I saw you had Aloha in the last paragraph and thought you missed RW by accident. Unless there’s a mare named Aloha too? No big deal, carry on!!!

[AndNirina]

[QUOTE=oldernewbie;6787013]
I saw you had Aloha in the last paragraph and thought you missed RW by accident. Unless there’s a mare named Aloha too? No big deal, carry on!!![/QUOTE]

There’s supposedly a grey Artos Z mare named Aloha, too. She’s listed on GFF’s website.

[FalseImpression]

I read on FB that the breeder of the mare at MHS had contacted them and was willing to take her back. I so hope many will be lucky to go home and be loved again.
I have not had time to read the whole report, but I am not surprised at the discrepancy between the website and the real horses.
And JB confused re the horses’ names? you are kidding… she is muddling the waters on purpose. Vet should have insisted on registered names…

[lauriep]

Of course I was kidding…

[Go_Fish]

Breeding and foaling season is just around the corner. I’m curious how current conditions of the farm/housing is going to affect JBs ability to foal out mares and collect and ship semen. While this thread has probably gone a long ways towards informing mare owners and possible buyers to beware, it would appear that standing stallions and selling offspring are Jill’s main source of income. What happens to the horses she has now when any sort of income stream dries up?

I’m hoping that the MCHS is closely monitoring the situation. It could go from bad to worse right quick when Jill is unable to sell semen or horses. Conditions may be okay now, but the next 6 months could spell disaster.

[minnie]

I also noted from the report that Dr. Ellis recommended JB contact an equine nutritionist and gave recommendations for several of the horses be fed more and separated while they eat. Also recommended blankets for those that didn’t have them. Noted snotty noses, etc. I got the impression that there wasn’t a single horse that she thought was in optimal condition. She merely stated their condition could improve with better care and feeding and that JB seemed amenable to her advice.

I can only imagine the thoughts going through her head as she scored one horse after another a 3, 3 minus or a 4. And the poor stallion in the mud with nowhere dry to stand. I bet she was sick to her stomach.

[wentworth]

Sorry if I missed this, but what happened to the yearling “Blaze”? In the petition, Jill states she was also served with notice that a yearling would be seized, but Blaze was not mentioned as one of the horses seized at a later date, nor is he listed in the horses inspected on the property by Dr. Ellis.

8. On December 27, 2012, Sgt. Rogers also served me with a NOTICE OF INTENT TO
SEIZE ANIMAL(S) for a yearling named “Blaze”, a true and correct copy of which is attached
as Exhibit B.

[Callmeacab]

[QUOTE=Go Fish;6787052]
Breeding and foaling season is just around the corner. I’m curious how current conditions of the farm/housing is going to affect JBs ability to foal out mares and collect and ship semen. While this thread has probably gone a long ways towards informing mare owners and possible buyers to beware, it would appear that standing stallions and selling offspring are Jill’s main source of income. What happens to the horses she has now when any sort of income stream dries up?

I’m hoping that the MCHS is closely monitoring the situation. It could go from bad to worse right quick when Jill is unable to sell semen or horses. Conditions may be okay now, but the next 6 months could spell disaster.[/QUOTE]

Other than turnout sheds, she won’t be able to build a barn, without going through the planning process, and getting a permit. That takes months to years, with Marin County Planning Dept. She also won’t have electricity on the property, without the proper permits, either. I’d hate to think she’d be running her lab in the back of a pickup.

[HorseKrazy]

[QUOTE=sid;6786912]
Re: feeding hay by the flake. A “flake” can weigh 2 lbs. or it can weigh 10 lbs.

The number of “flakes” mean nothing. It’s the poundage that matters. And whether or not each individual is getting the poundage (calories) they need…even in a herd environment. Horsekeeping 101, unless this was a “survival of the fittest” mentality, because she simply did not have enough money to feed them and pretended she could, as she pretended she had a fabulous farm with a bogus website.

Smoke and mirrors.

Carry on.[/QUOTE]

This is worthy of repeating and exactly what I was thinking when I was reading the report. Here in CA I believe most of us use ‘large’ bales that are roughly 100-120 lbs. I feel the need to try and do the math on how many pounds she “should” be feeding, but dont have the energy to do it just yet… I know I have done the math for my 3 horses and I feed roughly 50-60 lbs of hay a day (with 6 lbs of a complete feed on top of it). That’s a lot of bales a day if I’m feeding 20 plus horses that are in foal, nursing, or are growing youngsters… But I digress… What I also noticed was the report mentioned the piles of hay appeared fresh. Ah, we’ll at least they are eating.

I find myself going back and forth on my opinion of this vet (not that my opinion matters to anyone else but me). I can appreciate the hard position she has put herself in, she probably means well and is doing her best in an undesirable position. But, when I was reading her reports on the horses individually and giving her professional opinions for the record, how was she able to give her opinion on the two horses that were blanketed and uncatchable? I would think she would reserve her opinion in those two cases ( horses #14&15) if she was unable to properly evaluate them? What if they had blankets on for a reason? Just speculation here, of course, but with my professional name on the line here I would be very diligent and careful.

[DMK]

[QUOTE=stripes;6786929]
All this talk about the vet that inspected the horses that were not seized, what about the vet that gave Romantic Star his health certificate??? That’s the vet that deserves to get raked over the coals. JMHO…[/QUOTE]

Seriously??

Because that vet came out EIGHT days before the stallion was injured. WTF was he supposed to do, look into his crystal ball and foresee that the horse would get injured in the future?

Because as far as I know, RS was not seized due to BCS, but due to injuries. Don’t just take my word for it, how about what MCHS states in their press release?

A badly wounded stallion known as “Romantic Star” was seized as a result of untreated serious injuries

Mind you, they pointed out that the three other horses were seized due to malnourishment so I don’t think they missed the boat on RS’ body condition if that was an issue

Another malnourished mare known as “Pookie” was also impounded and transported to MHS for evaluation, treatment and rehabilitative care.

…Officers seized an additional two mares known as “Nutsie” and “Blackie” from the property. Both were found to be nearly emaciated…

They don’t charge by the word, it wouldn’t cost extra to say the stallion was malnourished AND wounded. It might would only help their case. He seems to have fallen into the category of “has not received medically necessary treatment in an appropriate time frame” seizure.

So with a little bit of (easily accessible) information, exactly what kind of coals do you think the vet should be raked over? The “I can’t see into the future” coals or maybe the “This stallion, who is not in great weight, is damned lucky to get out of this hellhole and how fast can I help him” coals?

Consider your answer carefully. This might be a test.

[horsenut93136]

what about the Sable filly,presumably born in Sept? “poor conformation due to genetics, poor doer appearance”

[HunterRider992]

There are three young horses on the vet report which are not listed on her website or listed under different names. Paris is likely the 2012 filly out of Likide by Redwine listed on her website as due 8/7/12. The other two mystery foals on the vet report are the filly Sable and the colt Revelation. The filly Sable could be Devil’s Sis’ 2012 foal listed as Radiant (http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/radiant.htm), and the colt Revelation could be Rabbit Hill (http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/rabbit_hill.htm), as they are the only two 2012 foals not listed as sold on Jill’s website.

There are two 2011 foals which are listed as “For Sale” on her website, but are not included in the vet report. They are Remember When, and Rendition #1.

Since we can’t trust Jill to be accurate in reporting which horses are actually sold, it’d be helpful if anyone in the know can confirm the location of any of the 2011 and 2012 foals.