Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=HunterRider992;6787094]
There are three young horses on the vet report which are not listed on her website or listed under different names. Paris is likely the 2012 filly out of Likide by Redwine listed on her website as due 8/7/12. The other two mystery foals on the vet report are the filly Sable and the colt Revelation. The filly Sable could be Devil’s Sis’ 2012 foal listed as Radiant (http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/radiant.htm), and the colt Revelation could be Rabbit Hill (http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/rabbit_hill.htm), as they are the only two 2012 foals not listed as sold on Jill’s website.

There are two 2011 foals which are listed as “For Sale” on her website, but are not included in the vet report. They are Remember When, and Rendition #1.

Since we can’t trust Jill to be accurate in reporting which horses are actually sold, it’d be helpful if anyone in the know can confirm the location of any of the 2011 and 2012 foals.[/QUOTE]

Remember When was one that went to MO. Devil’s Sis’ baby was born in July, the report said Sable was 4 1/2 mths old.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=LostAcres;6787012]
THIS whole escapade is an example of why I put on my search hat of the first Hanno double G line baby bred many years ago and selling at age 5. Went out of the horse business after I sold her. Have been reading so many horror stories over the years, so I started searching for that filly, and found her. Contacted current owners, and told them I want her back when they are ready to retire her or she was not useful anymore to them. She has been back with me now for a yr and a half, 25 yrs old now. Happy and healthy. I can sleep. I feel so bad for everyone that got involved with this sick individual[/QUOTE]

I’m with you would like to require background check, references (which I know some people do already microchipping for tracking, because it’s not always who you sell to but who THEY sell to Not cool that Diamonette did not get back to her owner despite the document with the BOS. That is on the woman who sold her to Jill. I’m sure she didn’t get much $$ so hopefully she is ashamed that she did not honor the owner’s request.

[Jack16]

If someone is in fact hiding Aloha and Redwine for JB that is so disturbing. It takes a fairly knowledgeable person to house and care for stallions. Those poor animals. I hope they all get out soon.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=Jack16;6787123]
If someone is in fact hiding Aloha and Redwine for JB that is so disturbing. It takes a fairly knowledgeable person to house and care for stallions. Those poor animals. I hope they all get out soon.[/QUOTE]

I would hope that it is within MHS rights to know where the stallions are. BUT I am happy they are elsewhere presumably receiving better care.

[wentworth]

Whoever Blaze is, he must have been in very poor condition if they issued a notice of intent to seize him after seeing him on that first visit. Names changing aside, none of the yearlings in the vet report sound to be in (relatively) bad enough condition to issue a notice of intent to seize. Hope nothing bad happened to this yearling between 12/26 and the next visit when the 2 other mares were taken…I may not want to know

[Joanne]

Another story from the patch:

http://novato.patch.com/articles/horse-breeders-lawyer-fires-back-at-marin-humane-society

[saje]

[QUOTE=DMK;6787088]
Seriously??

Because that vet came out EIGHT days before the stallion was injured. WTF was he supposed to do, look into his crystal ball and foresee that the horse would get injured in the future?

Because as far as I know, RS was not seized due to BCS, but due to injuries. Don’t just take my word for it, how about what MCHS states in their press release?

Mind you, they pointed out that the three other horses were seized due to malnourishment so I don’t think they missed the boat on RS’ body condition if that was an issue

They don’t charge by the word, it wouldn’t cost extra to say the stallion was malnourished AND wounded. It might would only help their case. He seems to have fallen into the category of “has not received medically necessary treatment in an appropriate time frame” seizure.

So with a little bit of (easily accessible) information, exactly what kind of coals do you think the vet should be raked over? The “I can’t see into the future” coals or maybe the “This stallion, who is not in great weight, is damned lucky to get out of this hellhole and how fast can I help him” coals?

Consider your answer carefully. This might be a test.[/QUOTE]

:yes: QFT*

*(Quoted For Truth)

[DownYonder]

FWIW, someone just pointed out to me that Dr. Ellis just received her DVM in 2010. I am thinking it may be far easier for someone like JillB to blow smoke up the a** of a fairly recent grad then a vet with many years experience.

And in reading through her report, I am struck by how many horses she noted as in serious need of dental work. Really makes me wonder if JillB used the poor dental condition of those horses as an excuse for their poor body condition.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=Joanne;6787149]
Another story from the patch:

http://novato.patch.com/articles/horse-breeders-lawyer-fires-back-at-marin-humane-society[/QUOTE]

Would love for RMHP to get ahold the declarations from Jill’s “vet and farrier” guess it did answer the question about why there were not many horse pics in the ones on RMHP county was after land issues.

[Laurierace]

I realize that everyone is entitled to representation which means someone has to defend what seems indefensible to most of us ala Jerry Sandusky and such. My question is, in order to defend that person does the lawyer have to BELIEVE what their client has told them to be the truth or can they just repeat what they have been told? If that lawyer believes that crap she is as crazy as Jill Burnell.

[mpsbarnmanager]

@Lynnwood;6786768

A body score is not a 3 when its followed up with “thin /verging on very thin”

I thought the same thing!

[stripes]

[QUOTE=DMK;6787088]
Seriously??

Because that vet came out EIGHT days before the stallion was injured. WTF was he supposed to do, look into his crystal ball and foresee that the horse would get injured in the future?

Because as far as I know, RS was not seized due to BCS, but due to injuries. Don’t just take my word for it, how about what MCHS states in their press release?

Mind you, they pointed out that the three other horses were seized due to malnourishment so I don’t think they missed the boat on RS’ body condition if that was an issue

They don’t charge by the word, it wouldn’t cost extra to say the stallion was malnourished AND wounded. It might would only help their case. He seems to have fallen into the category of “has not received medically necessary treatment in an appropriate time frame” seizure.

So with a little bit of (easily accessible) information, exactly what kind of coals do you think the vet should be raked over? The “I can’t see into the future” coals or maybe the “This stallion, who is not in great weight, is damned lucky to get out of this hellhole and how fast can I help him” coals?

Consider your answer carefully. This might be a test.[/QUOTE]

Yes, seriously. When the facts come out about him and his actual condition on the day he was seized it will tell the true tale. And again, let me repeat, YES the vet who signed a health certificate for this horse should be raked over the coals.

[Kenike]

So now a (so far) three week hospitalization is considered a “slight” injury. :no:

[Lord_Helpus]

[QUOTE=hAlterHorse;6786866]
Did you read the document?

“Food Supply:… Mrs. Burnell stated that due to the condition of the roads, that they have been unable to purchase large amounts of hay to be brought onto the property. Their current program is to store the hay on their truck and to purchase more hay as needed until the contemplated hay barn is built. On this day, I observed a pick-up truck full of alfalfa hay, which arrived shortly after my arrival.”[/QUOTE]

Someone who knows how to stack bales can get a ton of hay on a pick up. (Amazing but true).

That is 2000#. MY horses get 20 - 25 pounds of hay a day (plus feed and supplements). Say JB’s horses are getting 20 pounds each/day x 30 horses = 600 pounds a day are being fed. At that rate, the hay will be gone in 3.33 days.

If JB is feeding only 10 pounds of hay/day (oh my, it makes me sad to even type those words), that means the hay will last a week. Please, someone report back how soon more hay is delivered…

I am also questioning that she is feeding alfalfa hay. No way can horses who are that malnourished process such a rich type of hay. It would be like giving a starving man a full roast beef dinner with a rich desert. It would go right through them and give then terrible diarrhea (sp?). Orchard grass or timothy would be more appropriate.

If the horses are NOT getting alfalfa, but a medium rich hay more suited to their precarious condition, then whoever reported the truck contained alfalfa (a) is not a horseperson, or (b) is not reporting accurately for some other reason.

[sid]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6787152]
FWIW, someone just pointed out to me that Dr. Ellis just received her DVM in 2010. I am thinking it may be far easier for someone like JillB to blow smoke up the a** of a fairly recent grad then a vet with many years experience.

And in reading through her report, I am struck by how many horses she noted as in serious need of dental work. Really makes me wonder if JillB used the poor dental condition of those horses as an excuse for their poor body condition.[/QUOTE]

Well that may well be. But in the end the owner of a horse or horses should not be excused for “ignorance” of all their care. What…blame the dentist of lack of one. Geesh. Do you blame no feed because the hay or grain wasn’t delivered on time? That is a victim state of mind, and often you can see this with people who have no more money.

Very clever defense, but ignorance or creating a defense of ignorance doesn’t cut it. Not with someone so "experienced’ with horses and breeding that was the CV that was out there and is being expounded upon by her own court papers.

Clearly she thinks she knows better than anyone else. And that IS a bug that plagues horse people.

In this case the ego will hopefully fail. It is what it is. Even a non horse person can see that. Power and facade gone wild, with the scoring on the USET for the unsuspecting to buy hook line and sinker.

In that defense, they look at the horses they see in front of them as they should. The horse nor the owner that was “able” to get that progeny should be punished from where that horse came.

But these offenses, terrible offenses, in the horse world should be announced before things like this go on and on and on.

[lauriep]

Stripes, how do you figure? The horse wasn’t injured at the time, his body condition hasn’t been addressed, but even if he was thin, thin horses are shipped all the time! As said before, he probably saw it as a way to get the horse out of the situation. Why harp on that vet who did nothing wrong?

[Callmeacab]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;6787217]

I am also questioning that she is feeding alfalfa hay. No way can horses who are that malnourished process such a rich type of hay. It would be like giving a starving man a full roast beef dinner with a rich desert. It would go right through them and give then terrible diarrhea (sp?). Orchard grass or timothy would be more appropriate.

If the horses are NOT getting alfalfa, but a medium rich hay more suited to their precarious condition, then whoever reported the truck contained alfalfa (a) is not a horseperson, or (b) is not reporting accurately for some other reason.[/QUOTE]

Alfalfa and oat hay are the cheapest hays, locally. Orchard Grass is, currently, at about $22 a bale (140#). For all we know, it could be cattle alfalfa. She owes the local feed store, so, who knows where she’s buying her hay.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=sid;6787221]
Well that may well be. But in the end the owner of a horse or horses should not be excused for “ignorance” of all their care. What…blame the dentist of lack of one. Geesh. Do you blame no feed because the hay or grain wasn’t delivered on time? That is a victim state of mind, and often you can see this with people who have no more money.

Very clever defense, but ignorance or creating a defense of ignorance doesn’t cut it. Not with someone so "experienced’ with horses and breeding that was the CV that was out there and is being expounded upon by her own court papers.

Clearly she thinks she knows better than anyone else. And that IS a bug that plagues horse people.

In this case the ego will hopefully fail. It is what it is. Even a non horse person can see that. Power and facade gone wild, with the scoring on the USET for the unsuspecting to buy hook line and sinker.

In that defense, they look at the horses they see in front of them as they should. The horse nor the owner that was “able” to get that progeny should be punished from where that horse came.

But these offenses, terrible offenses, in the horse world should be announced before things like this go on and on and on.[/QUOTE]

It sounded like she admitted to not having a handle on her dental program, assuming that was her excuse for the horses being thin. Sounds better to say they are starving because of bad teeth rather than because I can’t feed them?

[Lord_Helpus]

[QUOTE=3Dogs;6786934]
Penny - she was sued within 6-8 months by the “co-owner” partner in Redwine
She was sued by John French- public record - for not paying fees
She by the grapevine never paid Peter Pletcher

Thus I am not sure she EVER had the money to do anything she has done.

Wish I could get my horses shown by top trainers for no payment - have to work on my spiel :)[/QUOTE]

Peter Pletcher is listed as owner of one of her Redwine babies (per her web site). I am GUESSING that she paid him off in horse flesh, which is why he has not sued her.

[RubyTuesday]

If they had blankets on, how could they have been “uncatchable”? Somebody would have had to catch them sometime for the blankets to be on…did anyone try very hard to catch them? How about offering some food?