I seem to remember when RS was seized they said along with the broken jaw and injuries from the fight his BCS was 1.
Maybe it is in the original statement that was issued.
No doubt he thought the horse should just stay there? That was the better choice? There’s been plenty said on this thread, but not many people thought the better choice was no choice at all.
I also noticed that some people are saying that a horse scored as a 3 shouldn’t have the phrase “thin/bordering on very thin” following a score of 3. However the henneke scale describes 3 as thin and 2 as very thin. Sure, a 2.5 is more accurate, but based on the scale the Vet should be using, that description didn’t sugar coat it, so I’m at a loss as to why anyone has an issue with that? Unless of course the issue is that the horse is not a 3, but a 1 or 2, in which case your beef isn’t with the Vet, but the agency that didn’t seize the horse…
Is anyone making copies of these webpages in case the site goes offline? Meaning, the GrayFox site with all the info and pictures?
Horse flesh… I hate that term, but sadly that may be true. Happens all the time I guess. Call me wanting to be an ostrich.
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I seem to remember when RS was seized they said along with the broken jaw and injuries from the fight his BCS was 1.
Maybe it is in the original statement that was issued.[/QUOTE]
I seen to remember that was what the rumor mill said along that along with he was a 2, he had a broken jaw or not, but that was not officially stated anywhere that I have seen, just that he was seized due to untreated serious injuries.
Mind you, I have no doubt he was not in good condition, but I suspect the best thing that could have happened to him was to stand on a trailer with a bag full of hay in cool weather and head to a home that came with food. And vet care. And shelter. And safe turn out facilities.
I searched both Jill Burnell and Gray Gox Farm, LLC on USEF and there are several horses there which do not appear on her website or are listed as sold. Anyone know the deal with these: Collateral, Culpable, Envision, Accessorized, Action Hero, Apricot Hill, Finger Paints, First Kiss, Perfect Alibi, Rip Tide, Rocket Science, or Rumors Fly?
I know most of these are probably safe in homes which just have given them new names or haven’t yet done the USEF transfer of ownership, but I want to be thorough and make sure we aren’t missing any horses.
That is a pretty sad vet rapport, those horses are not doing well. Perhaps not in immediate danger, this is not a good situation. It won’t take much for an atty to turn that into favor of the MHS. Most of it, when explained by an expert, is actually in favor of the MHS.
For one, she notes her observations, but also her ‘hear say’ without providing That she has verified this information through receipts, purchase orders etc.
Any good lawyer would reply with ‘do you have any proof of that?’ I mean JB can say anything she would like, she can say the moon is blue. But as a business, she has to keep records for taxes, so she has to be able to provide this proof in discovery. Though I doubt that. She can come up with something, but a smart atty would subpoena the original receipts from the seller.
While she is qualified to determine and observe the horses, and what is right for the horses, it is obvious the rest is just the story spun to the vet by JB. Those are just meaningless with out proof.
And if JB did as said she did, providing this proof is easy.
I mean bad teeth don’t cause that much distress that quickly.
2 things caught my attention immediately.
Where are the other stallions? If they are gone, are other horses gone?
Those are very few mares actually in foal.
Was Porta Westfalica a Thoroughbred mare who was owned by a COTHer? Or maybe a WBxTB. If she’s who I think she is, she has a wonderful tail female.
Irony at it’s finest. If Mistyblue or any of the other COTH sleuths wants to connect the dots on who the breeder of the foal in this post is, please feel free. This web is so tangled not even a spider could negotiate it!
http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-feed-and-care-for-your-baby.html
Ah, someone who can do math and knows how to figure the rate of what is being fed by weight, number of horses being fed, and how many days that will last. Rate of consumption by number of horses and expected/necessary daily intake should also have been calculated for water as well as the hay and compared to the storage capacity of the tank mentioned for any status report on Burnell’s situation that even mentions hay and water. Those figures would dictate how often it would be necessary for the Burnell’s to maintain the supposed rates they claim the horses are being given in food and water. Where’s the water coming from? Are they paying for it? Where is the hay coming from? Are there receipts to back up the rate that they claim they are feeding? These things can be quantified, somebody just needs to mandate that they do prove it, otherwise it’s just Jill opening her mouth and some sound coming out of it. Btw, the scenario with the pick-up truck coming with a load of hay on it? Deja vu; that is exactly what happened on the day in March two years ago that I visited GFF in Petaluma to take a look at Redwine. It was a red flag then and still is: there was only a couple of bales of hay in the “storage area” which was nothing more than a small RV cover. When I saw hay being delivered by the pick-up truck load for the, idk, 25 or more horses on the place that I saw, I didn’t count, I KNEW she had bad credit with the hay brokers or feed stores, and was probably on a cash-only basis. I used to be a licensed vet tech that worked with a large animal vet practice, and had seen scenes like that at least a few times. It’s a red flag for anyone holding this many horses. I personally have far fewer horses than GFF to feed, and I buy hay 40 ton at a time and have the hay barn to house it in. Buying hay by the pick-up truck load is BS when there are this many horses.
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I realize that everyone is entitled to representation which means someone has to defend what seems indefensible to most of us ala Jerry Sandusky and such. My question is, in order to defend that person does the lawyer have to BELIEVE what their client has told them to be the truth or can they just repeat what they have been told? If that lawyer believes that crap she is as crazy as Jill Burnell.[/QUOTE]
No. A lawyer does not have to believe his client. This is one of the reasons I got out of practicing litigation – I could not stomach representing someone who I did not believe was being truthful. The only thing a lawyer cannot do is suborn perjury — letting his client take the oath to tell the truth when he KNOWS that his client intends to lie on the stand.
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Was Porta Westfalica a Thoroughbred mare who was owned by a COTHer? Or maybe a WBxTB. If she’s who I think she is, she has a wonderful tail female.[/QUOTE]
Porta is a Trakehner who was listed for sale on Warmbloods for sale on 11/2009 by http://www.castell-trakehner.webs.com/
I have been following this story for a long, long time and am more disgusted than ever. Perhaps the vet’s experience helping horses in impoverished areas has given her a skewed view of acceptable practices. Those poor animals. Skinny, pot-bellied, snotty noses, crusty eyes… what did I miss?
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Was Porta Westfalica a Thoroughbred mare who was owned by a COTHer? Or maybe a WBxTB. If she’s who I think she is, she has a wonderful tail female.[/QUOTE]
The Porta Westfalica you’re thinking about is standing in my barn, safe and sound. It is a completely different mare ( you did do the pedigree research on my mare for me 
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Ah. I was wondering if it was this mare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/porta+westfalica2
Thanks, Hillside H. I remembered the pedigree that went with the name, and hoped you weren’t one who had been cozened by JB.
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I have been following this story for a long, long time and am more disgusted than ever. Perhaps the vet’s experience helping horses in impoverished areas has given her a skewed view of acceptable practices. Those poor animals. Skinny, pot-bellied, snotty noses, crusty eyes… what did I miss?[/QUOTE]
You forgot mud in stallion areas encompasses entire area. Poor Federalist. 
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Ah. I was wondering if it was this mare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/porta+westfalica2[/QUOTE]
That one’s mine, and neither she (nor I) have ever been affiliated with Jill Burnell (thankfully).
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Irony at it’s finest. If Mistyblue or any of the other COTH sleuths wants to connect the dots on who the breeder of the foal in this post is, please feel free. This web is so tangled not even a spider could negotiate it!
http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-feed-and-care-for-your-baby.html[/QUOTE]
Oh. Em. Gee.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;6787282]
Irony at it’s finest. If Mistyblue or any of the other COTH sleuths wants to connect the dots on who the breeder of the foal in this post is, please feel free. This web is so tangled not even a spider could negotiate it!
http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-feed-and-care-for-your-baby.html[/QUOTE]
I think on the “Jill stole my horse thread” It was disclosed who the foal belonged too and why the mares name was not listed on its Reg and the actual breeder omitted by Jill.
[QUOTE=Lulu;6787302]
I have been following this story for a long, long time and am more disgusted than ever. Perhaps the vet’s experience helping horses in impoverished areas has given her a skewed view of acceptable practices. Those poor animals. Skinny, pot-bellied, snotty noses, crusty eyes… what did I miss?[/QUOTE]
Seriously.
