Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[Renascence]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6792982]
Even scarier is that a registered nurse would be so lax about sanitary conditions in the semen lab and so dismissive about EVA and other viral diseases that can be transmitted in semen

Someone from Vermont responded to one of the online news articles that she had gone to GFF for one day to look into working there. She observed that Jill used the same dirty needle with no alcohol swab to dope up about 4 mares before she attempted to move them somewhere even though they were acting fine. She also observed that a foal about to be shipped to a new owner was in a paddock with other foals with active herpes warts.

[Dead_Lame]

[QUOTE=Renascence;6793227]
Someone from Vermont responded to one of the online news articles that she had gone to GFF for one day to look into working there. …She also observed that a foal about to be shipped to a new owner was in a paddock with other foals with active herpes warts. [/QUOTE]

Aside from the fact that someone commenting online in a VT newspaper is considered an expert witness in this case, did the RN take tissue samples from those warts, which she said were herpes? Horse warts being papilloma virus, not herpes, plus self limiting and all that nonsense, it sounds like she must have found something very special.

I’m super impressed that posters are no longer vilifying the individual vet who examined Burnell’s horse, and have moved on to vilifying the entire veterinary profession as a bunch of inexperienced, no horse experience, egghead idiots. Idiots who are so incompetent, they have to use new-fangled machinery like ultrasounds instead of their hands and divining rods and owl scat and other time honored techniques. I mean, one poster has met every vet student, and they’re -all- ignorant!

[RubyTuesday]

Vineyridge - the cavalier attitude a lot of people adopt toward dead poultry bothers me…people seem to think that because poultry are primarily food animals, that they somehow suffer less or their suffering is not as “important” as that of other animals or people. I think everyone should take a moment and reflect on that if they are bothered and concerned about how horses are treated or whether or not any humans have suffered somehow…why exactly is it that you would be less concerned about another animal, especially if it has already paid the ultimate price? Doesn’t this sorting of beings’ sufferings into categories of important > less important > not so important > not important at all begin to be a trip down into the wrong way of thinking?

[daisycutter87]

I was reffering to the "majority"of vet students I came in contact with; not all. I do have quite a few friends who are now veterinarians and they all have a very extensive large animal background. I posted in reply to another post regarding the lack of knowledge from the vet who made the statement. Somehow I didn’t “quote” the post properly. I’m just finding it hard to believe that a competent “veterinarian” could write the GFF horses’ issues off as “teeth problems” when not one horse was physically touched by the vet. I seriously hope that Marin County is siccessful in their pursuit but this is starting to look like your typical California State Court result. I’m still waiting patiently to hear some news from the human society on where they are going to go from here. Carry on-

[CathyKb]

This! - Thank you DMK!

[QUOTE=DMK;6793140]
So many conspiracies. So little time.

Let me see if I can keep count.

The attorney hired to represent JB is obviously violating every ethical code known to humanity, never mind that pesky right to representation thing.

The farrier who came out to trim the feet is an enabler of the first order by not having receipts handy.

The vet who issued the health certificate for RS (before he was injured) should be raked over the coals because I guess that horse should have stayed in his muddy, shelterless pipe corral.

The vet retained by counsel to conduct an exam - who used almost to the word - the UK Henneke scale guidance is clearly on a campaign to help JB keep her horses. Or she’s incompetent. I haven’t sorted that one out yet. But whatever she’s done is outrageous <stamps feet>

Anyone who purchased a horse from JB is obviously just helping in the cover up. I’m only shocked that those who purchased semen and have 2012 or upcoming 2013 foals haven’t been drug into this yet, but you gave her money. You are probably the worst of them all. Be ashamed.

Am I missing anyone? Oh yes, Some random trainer. Other than to note he really has nothing to do with JB, he can still be drug into this thread. Awesome. Wait! How about DeNemethy? I mean he’s dead, but seriously folks, are we really that picky about facts anymore?

Can somebody please track down the vendors who sold her hay and grain and even the water so we can get this witch hunt fully up to speed? I mean talk about enabling. Let’s get right to the source!

Seriously, JB is most likely not the mentally well-est person in the room, but when I read the stunning display of rationality and intellect (or lack thereof) in some of these posts, she is surely not alone. I mean either that, or there is a bunch of posters who give a box of rocks a run for its money in the IQ department.[/QUOTE]

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=Kenike;6793115]
Too bad! I’d like to have read that article, as I’m sure many others would.

I hold no ill will to the vet, but I do have to say Daisycutter is probably quite right. This vet does have experience, though, and she was straightforward in her assessment. It’s pretty obvious things were set up for her; I’m betting she was aware of that, too. But she can’t state that.

On the same type of note, I’m a nursing student. It’s extremely frustrating to watch educated idiots get the accolades. I’m no slouch as a student (graduated with one degree in July Magna Cum Laude), but the three (3!!!) B grades I received (two in French, one in A&P II) out of all the other courses I have taken (everything from all the English Comp and History classes…my degree is in History…to biology sciences and math through College Algebra. Many of those classes were shortened or were ones I had to miss 2-3 weeks for military orders and travel) are A’s. That left me with a GPA of 3.85, which was not good enough for the two nursing schools closest to me. They only accepted those with 4.0 GPAs…and people wonder why so many nurses aren’t clinically competent? I would not say it’s the majority, but maybe half.

Jill, however, is obviously a “special” case. And I shudder to imagine what her patients may have been exposed to because of her.[/QUOTE]

Do MOT sell Jill’s intelligence short. She is very, very intelligent. How she uses her intelligence, or what overrides it, is her problem. But she is not stupid.

[BaroquePony]

Smart would be coming up with a system that would give the end result that Jill Burnell would be banned for life from profiting from horses. Period.

[Kenike]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6793437]
Do MOT sell Jill’s intelligence short. She is very, very intelligent. How she uses her intelligence, or what overrides it, is her problem. But she is not stupid.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly what I meant. She is very clearly extremely intelligent. She is book smart, not people smart or friendly (in terms of care. She is people smart only in terms of manipulation). You got my point perfectly!

[currycomb321]

This snotty attitude is why vets LOVE working with animal science majors.

[QUOTE=daisycutter87;6793384]
I was reffering to the "majority"of vet students I came in contact with; not all. I do have quite a few friends who are now veterinarians and they all have a very extensive large animal background. I posted in reply to another post regarding the lack of knowledge from the vet who made the statement. Somehow I didn’t “quote” the post properly. I’m just finding it hard to believe that a competent “veterinarian” could write the GFF horses’ issues off as “teeth problems” when not one horse was physically touched by the vet. I seriously hope that Marin County is siccessful in their pursuit but this is starting to look like your typical California State Court result. I’m still waiting patiently to hear some news from the human society on where they are going to go from here. Carry on-[/QUOTE]

[currycomb321]

Oh wait, THIS is why vets love working with animal science majors. Quoted the wrong post. Sounds like sour grapes re not getting into vet school to me.

[QUOTE=daisycutter87;6792864]
As an Animal Science graduate who did not persue a vet career; I can honestly say it’s a SCARY sight to see “what” actually makes it into vet school. The majority of students who persue vet school (and I say the majority) are extremely book smart but have zero common sense when it comes to working with large animals ex: horses, cattle, sheep, etc. The majority of them have a dog or cat at home but have never touched a large animal.They can barely put a halter on a horse, they are extremely smart. They go to college and study the “science” of animals in a classroom and rarely actually learns the necessary animal skills to work with them.

I went to school and graduated with an associates and a bachelors in A.S. because I had worked with large animals since I was very young and I wanted to make a career out of it. I have a lot of common sense large animal knowledge that I gathered frommy years and years of working with these animals. I was never good in a classroom or studying and I hated working in lab conditions. I was the type of student who’d much rather be in the barn getting my hands dirty. With that being said; I had no interest in vet school because I never had a 4.0 GPA and I was never going to make it in if I applied. When we were working in the barns, hands-on, with any animals I always found myself assisting the non-experienced pre-vet students with any and all of the activities they had to do. They were simply-put: clueless. I wasn’t the only one to notice;it was an ongoing joke with my fellow classmates about the pre-vet students. Extremely book smart but no skills when it actually came to working with the animals they would one day be working on.

The above story doesn’t cover all vet students; there are a handful out there who have the entire package: brains and real-life working with animal skills.

The fact remains and it’s the honest truth: the majority of vet students or recent graduates are in-fact pretty “dumb”; you’d probably be scared for your horse’s life if you witnessed their “skills”[/QUOTE]

[Joanne]

DMK you forgot mine: — > Why, of all the vets in the surrounding area, the lawyer had to go 120+ miles to find this particular vet, whose daughter had a bad experience with Jill.

[lauriep]

DMK, I love you…

[JanM]

DMK-I think I love you too.

I think there’s enough bad already aired on JB, without dragging people into this who aren’t to blame.

[Perfect_Pony]

OK, so now we are entering bizzaro world, is this THE spacely of the Bay Area that went to jail for fraud and abandoned several severely neglected horses?!
http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/gray-fox-farm-jill-burnell-481679-33.html#post7012018

And before anyone says anything… I had someone try to sell me her (spacely’s) abandoned 3 year old mare that looked a lot like the mare in that picture at the time. She was in such bad shape my vet told me to not even take her for free, she was that infested with parasites (not to mention terrified of people).

I cannot imagine anyone else would use the name “spacely” on the internet after everything she did…

[FLIPPED_HER_HALO]

From page 197 - Rio Vista was NEVER at GFF. This is my friends mare. Rio Vista isn’t even her name. So don’t fall for buying her imaginary in-utero foal by Red Wine. She canceled sale when she found out what JB was really like last year.

[mbm]

oh come on PP! you know that there are only good honest people on the internet, and that what people write is the truth…

get with the program!

[dilligaff2]

DMK, why must you mock the beliefs of others?

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

[QUOTE=DMK;6793140]
Am I missing anyone?

Seriously, JB is most likely [/QUOTE]

actually you are missing someone whose “name” has been drug thru the mud repeatedly on this thread - COTH poster “JB” who has nothing to do with Jill Burnell.

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=CathyKb;6777572]

Concerning RSF-Ronda I am appalled at some of the posters slamming her. She purchased a lovely stallion to stand that fits her breeding program and how is she to know the condition of the stallion when he is in California and she is not. [/QUOTE]

Preface: I do not know Ronda, have never heard of Ronda until this thread, and have never seen her website or Facebook page. I will take it that she has an excellent breeding program as many have said.

That said, you ask how is she to know the condition of the stallion when he is in California and she is not. The answer is that she goes and looks before buying him. It’s a big investment so it wouldn’t be unusual for her to travel to have a look. Or if that’s not possible, the pre-purchase exam done by her vet of choice would have revealed his health. Good or bad.

Providing there was a PPE…and those who have top breeding programs would have certainly had one done; assessing his reproductive health would be a priority.

[Acertainsmile]

Not all vets are good vets, I can assure you that is a truth. I’ve witnessed it one too many times.

Do we know for sure if RS has actually purchaced RS or is that still speculation at this point?

Mardi, you are preaching to the choir, this was my point 2 weeks ago. And if in fact the stallion was actually purchased, why wouldnt the new owner go out at this point with paperwork in hand and find out his condition?