An incredible story it was indeed!
More like people that believe in the truth and nothing but Cheek. Lies only make legit stories less credible.
omg that was too funny
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Hell, when I move my things go in boxes and I always make sure and bubble wrap my dog feces so it don’t get broke.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
eagle74, i was a victim of jill burnells. i didn’t pay her. and there were no credit cards used just as an fyi. you might want to get your facts straight.
but regardless of who you are i just done understand why you would want to be involved in this whole mess.
[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6510812]
No…collecting semen isn’t a “sterile” process. Horses are NOT known for their personal hygiene. With that said, semen “is” sterile, so you do EVERYTHING possible to attempt to maintain that. Probably more appropriate terminology would be aseptic technique. You wash the penis in order to avoid debris and surface pathogens getting into the AV and the ejaculate. You have a filter in place to avoid any dirt or smegma that you didn’t wash off from getting into the collection. You use sterile equipment for everything, including centrifuge tubes, etc. Even doing surgery is not 100% sterile. You do EVERYTHING possible to avoid introducing any pathogens or contaminants. Dirt and debris lying around, dirty counters, garbage not thrown out, perishable items not removed from the area, etc., is not conducive to even an aseptic environment.
Yes and no. All that debris, dirt, dust, etc., creates the very real possibility of introducing pathogens to the ejaculate. If she’s not processing the semen correctly, you as a mare owner, stand the very real possibility of introducing those pathogens to your mare. Let’s look at it this way. Would you prepare dinner in that environment? If not, why not? And if you’re comfortable preparing it in that type of environment, please don’t invite me over for dinner ;).[/QUOTE]
Semen might be sterile, but once it hits the non-sterile equipment that is used to collect it, it is no longer sterile. I worked at a breeding farm 20 years ago, so I am familiar with the practices involved in semen collection (at that time), which is why I asked my questions the way I did. I also work in a truly sterile environment today (vaccines, which are subject to the most stringent controls of all pharmaceuticals); this is why I believe the term “sterile” is being thrown around incorrectly here.
Even if your equipment is sterilized prior to collection, as soon as you unwrap it at the (non-sterile) location in which you perform your collections, it becomes non-sterile. You just wasted whatever money you spent sterilizing your equipment (if you in fact did that).
Filtration can’t get rid of all contaminants (ask me how I know), and even if you are carrying out that filtration in a sterile environment (which I doubt), you are again wasting time and money. Your filter is also non-sterile.
I’m not trying to start an argument, but I maintain my position that there is nothing STERILE about semen collection, processing, shipping, and use. And there is clearly nothing wrong with that, which is evident in the fact that probably billions of mares have foaled successfully since the practice started. Obviously keeping the areas used for processing semen as clean as possible (i.e. no dog feces or dead chickens) is hugely important, but clearly nothing in the process is truly sterile.
Comparing semen collection to surgery is like comparing apples to styrofoam. No offense intended, because I respect that you know semen collection and processing, but it’s just not sterile by the true definition of the word.
Just because I don’t post on the COTH often, doesn’t mean I’m not a real person with a factual story. The very reason I don’t post here is because all of you seem a bit crazy, and quite frankly, I have a real job and a real life. But, I did want to share my story as others have shared theirs simply to point out that Jill’s horses are not being mistreated. That seems to be the thing so called ‘horse people’ tend to forget is that isn’t it all for the love of the animal anyway? If it’s all about politics, and BNT this and that, and who the handler at so and so show…then that is pretty pathetic.
If all you hate Jill so much and have factual evidence, then sue her and shut up. And, my name is Marjorie Vizethann and I have zero affiliation with Jill or GFF other than being a satisfied customer.
[QUOTE=S A McKee;6510522]
This thread is great fun for sure BUT
The fact remains that she is the USEF # 1 HB Breeder
Redwine is the # 1 HB sire, Aloha is # 3
1 HB Yearling in the US is by Aloha, # 8 by Redwine
1 HB 3 yr old in the US is by Redwine, # 3 is by Redwine ( and looks to be owned by the person who started this thread )
The rest of you are where in the rankings?
A lot of this sounds like sour grapes. If you were all so upset then why didn’t you file criminal charges against her?
I have no dog in this fight because I don’t do feed and lead. Just wanted to make that clear.[/QUOTE]
wrong, i didn’t start this thread, but i do intact own the filly in 3rd.
Ever think of the # of people with positive experiences? Ones afraid of being slammed. Bet the ratio might really be enlightening.
Alright alters or newbies, if you are going to defend grey fox farm, at least get with the times. nIlOONE is say the horses are abused. However, we’ve got photo proof she is a hoarder, and she has two (one is current) ARREST warrants. On paper. From a government. That’s not made up either. She is a criminal, or, if you’d like a better term, scam artist. There’s proof. You can’t get around that.
Please new alters/newbies/Jill burnell , defend an ISSUED warrant 
[QUOTE=Daventry;6510741]
So are you saying that the brother and sister-in-law came over the night before, fed the dog a whole lot of Taco Bell, came back the next morning and squeezed the crap out of him, then choked the chickens, then grabbed the camera and snapped a bunch of photos and then stole the camera?
Sorry, I’m just trying to get all of the facts straight.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
Welcome. I’m glad you shared your experience, and I hope your filly gets to you safely and in good health.
Also, not all of us here are crazy. Or, well, some of us hide it better than others. Most of the time. I think.
And you have to realize that JB (and many others) have a history of making alters to support themselves. So newbies are automatically looked at skeptically, however wrong that may be at times.
[QUOTE=ldaziens;6510525]
First of all, EFF YOU!!! I grew up an AF brat & have a military husband. My current place is a hot freaking mess b/c we moved from big place to a tiny place – all for these darn animals-- then after planning for a big cross country move, we just found out we’ll be delayed until next Spring. It’s a cluttered friggin’ catastrophe; but guess what – no effing poor dead baby birds and garbage in my damn bathtub AND, b/c I’m classy like that, no poop all over the damn house - though there is some dog hair build up in the corners. HOWEVER, I am not subjecting children or my poor damn parents to my own hot mess - just my poor DH.
On a side note, I am not engaged in lying, cheating, and defrauding people. So, there’s that.
Remember, up there, where I said EFF YOU – well I would like to multiple that by the number of honest, hard working people in this country who lost their jobs through no fault of their own, lost their houses; and are now homeless. THOSE people didn’t know how to scam and manipulate people, and surely none of us (I assume) thought it was within the realm of possibility that one could not pay their house payment, get foreclosed, leave a complete and literal $HIT HOLE for the lender to deal with.
And THEN, sashay into a new LOVELY, LARGE Ranch nearby. Nope, nope, I don’t think many, many, people today are doing THAT.
But, the sidenote is that the seller of that Lovely, Large New Ranch is financing them and is about to get more financially screwed than any other horse-related victim of Jill Burnell’s ever was. Probably some desperate seller on fixed income looking forward to that payment each month – and about to spend what somebody said could take up to 2 years to get them evicted from what will then be a completely trashed and destroyed property. And that assumes the seller owns the place free and clear &/or can afford to cover the payments while s/he tries to get the Burnells out of the property. Effing EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!
And, you know what, I am damn sure more willing to give the brother the benefit of the doubt – he apparently SERVED his time for whatever he did; and the sister-in-law did the RIGHT THING for the RIGHT REASONS.
:mad: Better go take my meds.
Like Many People Today Whose Homes Are Foreclosed and who then sashay into new, large ranches.
I may really never get over that.[/QUOTE]
Good idea…
Okay, so she’s a hoarder…who cares? And, she has a warrant for something unpaid…have you ever really considered the amount of crooks in the horse world that have done far worse that no one seems to talk about? I am not defending her for unpaid services as I would not personally conduct business in that manner, but the constant bashing does get old. How many of you even ride, or have competed on the A circuit, or have competed at the biggest shows in the country in the hunter divisions?
All I’m saying is that this COTH forum is out of control and I think it’s laughable that most of you probably can’t even ride well, yet you are horse and industry experts all of the sudden…please.
If she wronged you personally and you have factual evidence, then SUE HER. Otherwise, you could be setting yourself up for a serious defamation of character law suit, and yes, my father is an attorney, so I do know what I’m talking about.
And that was why I changed the terminology to “aseptic”. But there is a HUGE difference between something being exposed to a clean, non-sterile environment and one that is covered in filth, debris, spilled biological products, etc.
Even if your equipment is sterilized prior to collection, as soon as you unwrap it at the (non-sterile) location in which you perform your collections, it becomes non-sterile. You just wasted whatever money you spent sterilizing your equipment (if you in fact did that).
Well heck! What’s the point in using sterile needles and syringes then? You see my point? You’re splitting hairs. And fwiw, when we collect semen, it remains in the collection bottle until we are in the lab in order to minimize any air born pathogens coming in contact with it. Doing everything possible to try minimizing contaminants.
Filtration can’t get rid of all contaminants (ask me how I know), and even if you are carrying out that filtration in a sterile environment (which I doubt), you are again wasting time and money. Your filter is also non-sterile.
See above. We don’t live in an environment that is sterile. We do what we can to reduce pathogens. If you’re comfortable working in the kind of environment that is in the pictures, go for it. I’m not. I KNOW what can be introduced. It’s why we wash the mare prior to breeding. It’s attention to detail. It’s doing everything possible to reduce the chance of contamination.
Comparing semen collection to surgery is like comparing apples to styrofoam. No offense intended, because I respect that you know semen collection and processing, but it’s just not.
Read my post. I did NOT compare semen collection to surgery. I said: “Even doing surgery is not 100% sterile.” The reduction of the number of environmental pathogens you may introduce is the goal. It’s why antibiotics are added to extender/semen. There is no way to 100% prevent introduction of pathogens. As noted previously, horses are NOT known for their personal hygiene ;). And quite honestly, scrubbing the stallion’s penis with things like Betadine only create a whole 'nother set ofproblems. The goal is to reduce them as much as is feasibly possible and to use broad spectrum antibiotics in extenders to hopefully address anything that you may have missed.
Now back to the regularly programed channel. ;).
[QUOTE=Hillside H Ranch;6510851]
Rita Crundwell. And that is a fascinating story; she kept it up for decades…[/QUOTE]
Interestingly, I have not heard anything about her defrauding anybody in horse-y world, which may have been how it went on so long.
What keeps tickling my funny bone is this constant “what about all the HAPPY customers she has…? huh HUH???” coming from Jill’s supporters.
This argument is bizarre and so inherently flawed it keeps leaving me amused and befuddled.
There are many people who had lovely, pleasant encounters with Ted Bundy. Does that somehow make up for the fact that he butchered a dozen college girls in cold blood? Hmm…? Because “all those other people” thought he was a real stand-up guy! :winkgrin:
(NB: No i am not comparing fraud to murder, but really… the analogy stands. It’s a ridiculous argument to keep saying “but think of all the HAPPY customers she has!”… Good grief).
Just curious, but did you buy your filly with the expectation that she would be registered and come with papers?
There amongst the accusations against JB is the little issue of her not sending papers with the horses she sells…does this matter to you?
It’s a little more complicated than “okay, she’s a hoarder and has warrants…who cares?” :no:
I’m sorry, but horse world or not, I’m not going to deal with someone who doesn’t PAY. It’s that simple. And I competed on the A circuit in the hunters for at least 10 years before I went to college. Now I breed my small junior mare and have a great job. So yeah, ladywhatever. Try again.
A USEF registration is fine by me. Most of the hunters I’ve bought, trained, competed, and sold don’t even have sires and dams on file anywhere. Sure, for a breeding program it’s obviously important, but go ask any big time hunter trainer if they care about registration papers and I bet the answer is no.
[QUOTE=LadyGilly;6510958]
A USEF registration is fine by me. Most of the hunters I’ve bought, trained, competed, and sold don’t even have sires and dams on file anywhere. Sure, for a breeding program it’s obviously important, but go ask any big time hunter trainer if they care about registration papers and I bet the answer is no.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you don’t even appear to be an active member of USEF.
