Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[QUOTE=rodawn;6519757]
ALL imports are inspected by the authorized CFIA Veterinarian. They verify the paperwork, they verify the contents of the shipper. Whether the semen is coming from Europe or the United States, the CFIA Vet is one who verifies and clears (or denies) the shipment.[/QUOTE]

Just a little adjustment to the above here… :slight_smile:

Actually, the majority of equine semen shipments from the US to Canada are cleared by CBSA personnel (Canada Border Services Agency - formerly “Canada Customs”), not the CFIA vets. Furthemore, CBSA are strictly directed to not open the packaging as a matter of routine. It is typically only if there are apparent problems with the shipment (e.g. no accompanying, or something incorrect with the paperwork, or something suspicious with the container) that it is referred to CFIA.

Having said that, the shipment may be inspected and cleared by the CFIA vet, but I’m pretty sure you’ll find that the majority never see a vet, just the CBSA inspector.

This is from the CFIA-AIRS import requirement for equine semen from OK, USA to Canada:

[I]Recommendations to CBSA/Documentation and Registration Requirements

Refer to CFIA-ISC (must be accompanied by the following documents\registrations):
Import Permit
Zoosanitary Export Certificate for Semen

–OR–

CBSA Inspection (must be accompanied by the following documents\registrations):
Import Permit
Zoosanitary Export Certificate for Semen[/I]

Furthermore it notes:

[I]INSTRUCTIONS FOR CBSA

PLEASE NOTE THAT NONE OF THE SEMEN CONTAINERS MUST BE OPENED. NO PHYSICAL INSPECTION TO BE DONE, ONLY DOCUMENTATION REVIEW. [/I]
(and by the way that’s a “sic” quote - “none of the semen containers…” - must have been translated from a French original version! :lol: )

Note that this does not apply to equine semen imported from other countries such as Europe, which must be inspected by CFIA.

For further details you can review the current regulations on the CFIA-AIRS page. Start the search with “semen equine” - without the inverted commas, and worded in that order - and “drill down” from there.

Having personally worked with CBSA, I can assure you that they have a very highly developed targeting system for potential contraband, so although CFIA is not automatically involved in the inspection of equine semen from the US, you had better believe that if equine semen makes the CBSA list for “high risk” imports, it’s quite possibly going to end up requiring CFIA inspection and result in an increased risk of delays of shipments! So that’s another reason to make sure that everyone in the industry that is shipping semen to Canada is doing so legitimately!!!

Jos, just curious - does the Zoosanitary Export Certificate ask for the EVA status of the semen?

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6519726]
<smile>…no…she’s spot on in what she’s posting. . .Good Job, equinedriver![/QUOTE]

Rodawn is the one who argued with me about “heresay” [sic] :lol: I’m an attorney and former prosecutor. I’ve been following this thread and equinedriver’s comments have indeed been “spot on” :slight_smile:

FYI, I got a private message from a lister who is a prosecutor that agrees with Equine Reproduction that the Canadian law enforcement person is dead on, as is my assessment of developing a criminal case for fraud.

LETS TRY AND STAY FOCUSED ON TAKING ACTION THAT WILL ACTUALLY RESULT IN A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR FROM JILL…

And the most likely thing to do that is the threat or reality of criminal charges.

[QUOTE=equinedriver;6520038]
FYI, I got a private message from a lister who is a prosecutor that agrees with Equine Reproduction that the Canadian law enforcement person is dead on, as is my assessment of developing a criminal case for fraud.

LETS TRY AND STAY FOCUSED ON TAKING ACTION THAT WILL ACTUALLY RESULT IN A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR FROM JILL…

And the most likely thing to do that is the threat or reality of criminal charges.[/QUOTE]

Someone may want to cross post this on the Canadian BB Equiman Forums…to see if there are more people there that have been wronged…

[QUOTE=Samotis;6519814]
I was looking up premium foals today from Old/NA and there were quite a few Redwine foals. (from 2011)

What I don’t understand is how did other trainers continue to show Redwine after she had public problems with not paying John French? Wasn’t Peter Pletcher riding the horse for a while after John? Wonder if he got paid.

I hope this gets resolved and the horses stay safe. :no:[/QUOTE]

Peter Pletcher was on her facebook page writing “CALL ME!!”

I’m guessing she pulled the same issues that she did with Mr. French. Classy

[QUOTE=sketcher;6519304]
I don’t see anything here about a case being won,.

And for someone who is not a horse person and who supposedly would then have no knowledge of this board, what a huge coincidence that you happened to find the particular breeder referred to in this article. Not that that lawsuit does not imply some sort of karmic justice…but it is just one huge, fat coincidence that you happened to find it. Being a non-horse person and all.[/QUOTE]

Its not rocket science.

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6519928]
Jos, just curious - does the Zoosanitary Export Certificate ask for the EVA status of the semen?[/QUOTE]

Not Jos - but no ;). It does not ask for EVA status.

Rioja

[QUOTE=Tehzebra;6517961]
http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/rioja.htm

does anyone have any infor on this foal bred by gff? maybe its just me but it looks not too great…[/QUOTE]

The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes … fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her … all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned … when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world … Look how far she got depsite what we now know … can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.

Jill;

Everyone knows that you are watching (and replying under alters) to this thread. It has become apparently obvious that the truth is out and there have been numerous people on this thread to share their poor experiences they’ve had with you. I was one of the people who believed you’re pretty website with foals frolicking through the fields of green, the pictures of your stallions being shown by the top pros (who you havent paid!), and the extensive “knowledge” you’ve “shared” all over the internet, etc. I was horribly taken for a ride by the lies you put upfront to your potential clients. Your website is a lie!

I’m honestly at a loss for words after reading this thread and seeing the photos posted here. Here is a woman, that I thought, was one of the luckiest horse owners in this country. She has a beautiful stallion roster, works with top hunter trainers, and has a pretty impressive mare & foal lineup, has an impressive website and facebook page (that horribly misleads any potential client!).

Little did I know that she works (and lives in!) filthy conditions, processes semen orders in filth putting her mares-clients mares- and her other stallions in a very serious health danger, forced her elderly parents to live in filth, improperly raised young chickens in a horrid environment, uses her mares as walking uterus factories only to dispose of them to unkown whereabouts when their breeding doesn’t live up to her expectations, steals breeding fee money without providing a product, sells foals without any bill of sale/registration paperwork, refuses any phonecalls/emails from clients looking for her when they need something, collects sales prices without providing the buyer with the animal. Does the list of fraud ever end?

Jill, since I know you’re reading this: we beg you to stop posting under alter names, stop sending threatening PM’s to members of this forum who have added knowledgable comments, stop false advertising your business, and stop stealing thousands upon thousands of dollars from your clients. The shadyness of your operation have been exposed and the truth is out. We all know the type of conditions your mares, foals, and stallions have been living in and while all appear to be well-fed; we know they deserve much better. Being well-fed doesnt constitute proper welfare of an equine; so many other factors contribute to properly caring for horses.

The facts coming from your clients through this forum are the facts, unfortunately. They are only detrimental to your operation because you created this firestorm for yourself. You are a bad apple and a bad name contributing to this sport in a horrible manner.

If you want honest advice, take this with a grain of salt: Pay off your debts: pay off your vet, Pay off the hunter pro’s you hired to show and care for your stallions, pay off your feed bills, pay off the owners you purchased from. Return the funds for the breedings you never provided OR provide them what they paid for. Provide the registration paperwork/bill of sales for the horses you’ve sold or refund them their purchase price. If you’re selling the horse as a registered animal; the new owners are ENTITLED to the papers; otherwise you’ve misled the buyers, falsly advertised the horse, and sold the animal under false information provided to the buyer.

Next in line; sell your stallions, mares and foals and find them nice homes. You have a nice roster and we all agree that you own nice stock. The unfortunate thing is that they are currently owned by you. Let’s be realistic: they deserve better care right now and you are not in a state of mind to provide them with what they need. Lastly; Once the above things are taken care of: get yourself some help for the long-term well being of you. Pay off your debts, make arrangements for your horses, and find some help. Please stop lying through your teeth in attempt to salvage what’s left (if anything) of your reputation right now. This is a very honest plea.:no::cry:

Peter Pletcher commented, I believe on FB (?) that Jill traded him two 2 yr olds in exchange for fees owed. So they may be settled up.

I think Roseland went to Peter Pletcher. Not sure which other one, but on her website, Roseland was listed as “sold” to PP. :wink:

[QUOTE=Pace2thebase;6520178]
The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes … fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her … all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned … when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world … Look how far she got depsite what we now know … can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.[/QUOTE]

He is gorgeous! I hope he repays you for all your troubles with a long, successful career.

A few posts have mentioned this, so just to keep things straight…
it’s Belgian Warmblood, not Belgium Warmblood.
(example: it’s Danish warmblood, instead of Denmark warmblood)

Thanks.

As refering to the height issue, I made the statement because she is falsely representing them on her website, no fault of the stallions.

Pace2thebase: I am sorry your colt did not come to you ion good health. As I had mentioned a friend in Montana had her filly arrive half dead and spent a fortune nursing her back to health. I am glad that Rioja is in a wonderful home and doing well.

[QUOTE=Laurierace;6520293]
He is gorgeous! I hope he repays you for all your troubles with a long, successful career.[/QUOTE]

Thank you :slight_smile:

Due to a injury (I suspect) he got while in Jills care he will not be able to stand on line. So sad sense I specifically bred him to be a conformation horse based upon his mother impecable show record … but I do expect him to be a lovely boy for the hunter ring. Great brain, disposition and lovely mover!!

[QUOTE=Mardi;6520302]
A few posts have mentioned this, so just to keep things straight…
it’s Belgian Warmblood, not Belgium Warmblood.
(example: it’s Danish warmblood, instead of Denmark warmblood)

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Forgive … not too familar with this registry… mental note taken!

[QUOTE=KT Farms;6520310]
As refering to the height issue, I made the statement because she is falsely representing them on her website, no fault of the stallions.

Pace2thebase: I am sorry your colt did not come to you ion good health. As I had mentioned a friend in Montana had her filly arrive half dead and spent a fortune nursing her back to health. I am glad that Rioja is in a wonderful home and doing well.[/QUOTE]

He was not like your freinds filly (thankfully)but it has taken me 7 months to get him to thrive. He is doing great now:) Thank you all for the well wishes. Back to lurking now.

[QUOTE=Pace2thebase;6520178]
The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes … fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her … all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned … when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world … Look how far she got depsite what we now know … can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense. I also thought Rioja looked very poor in the GFF photos and I’d have been quite worried to tell the truth if any of my foals looked like that, even at only a day or two old.

Anyway he looks amazing now! You’ve done a fantastic job with him :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Pace2thebase;6520510]
Forgive … not too familar with this registry… mental note taken![/QUOTE]

And just to confuse you further…I don’t believe that any of Jill’s stallions are approved Belgian Warmblood. I suspect that she went with the Belgian SPORTHORSE (sBs) registry. But, the two have reciprocity. Just trying to stick to the facts, Danno ;).